Prophetic practice thread (2)

[cory533]

Oscar, I think you left out one of the most important ways we hear from God, Through reading his word. Sometimes it seems like the words jump off the page at you they hit with such impact, However two weeks or months later you wonder why you underlined them They no longer have the same relevence.Those words were relevant for that time in that way later the same words might have a different meaning to you.
Of course there are a thousand ways that God speaks to us I just thought this one was too common to leave out.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Oscar, I think you left out one of the most important ways we hear from God, Through reading his word. Sometimes it seems like the words jump off the page at you they hit with such impact, However two weeks or months later you wonder why you underlined them They no longer have the same relevence.Those words were relevant for that time in that way later the same words might have a different meaning to you.
Of course there are a thousand ways that God speaks to us I just thought this one was too common to leave out.

Getting information from God's Word was the first point I made!!! I called it getting insights from the Bible. Now if that isn't reading God's Word what is????

Blessed are those with eyes to see what is right in front of them...

 

[Yekcidmij]

Thanks, you too

BTW, what branch of service are you in?

Oh...Navy.

 

[trulyliving]

I would like a word too, anyone?

It is good that there isn't much information connected to your identity icon.... I'm a bit rusty and discovered how rusty I am just as I began to pray for you with no specific request in mind.... but the word that keeps coming up is "cleansing" and if I can put it into words, Holy Spirit, please direct how this comes out:

"you are going through a season of cleansing, any emotional turmoil that you've gone through has brought you to the doorsteps of this season of purification. there is a well that i have set before you that you have not rested at, there is a pool of living water from which you have not drunk. come to Me and I will give you rest. this is not yet over, but when it passes, I will have revealed much more to you."

I know it can also be very vague and I don't sense it is about your salvation, but for some reason the word "cleansing" is very specific to you. Please let me know if you feel/ sense this applies at all, or if this is a distinct season that you feel God is really cleansing you from things that are not beneficial to your life more so than usual, and if you feel the season has not yet passed. Also, if there is something that's been on your heart, that you have not sought from Him/ or asked Him for (as in, you seek but do not ask).

You may PM me if you feel the need to.

 

[Yekcidmij]

It is good that there isn't much information connected to your identity icon.... I'm a bit rusty and discovered how rusty I am just as I began to pray for you with no specific request in mind.... but the word that keeps coming up is "cleansing" and if I can put it into words, Holy Spirit, please direct how this comes out:

"you are going through a season of cleansing, any emotional turmoil that you've gone through has brought you to the doorsteps of this season of purification. there is a well that i have set before you that you have not rested at, there is a pool of living water from which you have not drunk. come to Me and I will give you rest. this is not yet over, but when it passes, I will have revealed much more to you."

I know it can also be very vague and I don't sense it is about your salvation, but for some reason the word "cleansing" is very specific to you. Please let me know if you feel/ sense this applies at all,

I have highlighted several things.

This of course must apply to the person in question since it appears God is talking directly (see what I highlighted). And if God is speaking directly, I seriously doubt He will make an error.

Then I have to ask the obvious, and I don't necessarily expect an answer, but how is one to know it is really God speaking and not you?



I'm content to leave it at that unless you wish to persist and say my assessment is wrong.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I have highlighted several things.

This of course must apply to the person in question since it appears God is talking directly (see what I highlighted). And if God is speaking directly, I seriously doubt He will make an error.

Then I have to ask the obvious, and I don't necessarily expect an answer, but how is one to know it is really God speaking and not you?



I'm content to leave it at that unless you wish to persist and say my assessment is wrong.

I'm going to stick my nose in and say that the person is merely using one of the accepted Pentecostal formats for giving a prophetic word.

Of course, the only way we are going to know for sure that God is speaking directly is to quote Scripture word for word.

I have looked carefully at the word given and it is quite consistent with the written Word of God.

Of course, the Holy Spirit needs to apply it to the receiving person's heart for it to actually speak to him, otherwise it is a generic word that anyone could receive.

Here is the prophecy in the third person:

"You are going through a season of cleansing, any emotional turmoil that you've gone through has brought you to the doorsteps of this season of purification. there is a well that the Lord has set before you that you have not rested at, there is a pool of living water from which you have not drunk. come to the Lord and He will give you rest. this is not yet over, but when it passes, He will have revealed much more to you."

So you can see that the word could happily apply to any of us, because we all could do with having more of the Lord in our lives and be purified, and drinking more of the living water. But the special part for the actual person it is directed to is whether it specifically applies to definite things that the person is experiencing right now.

That is my assessment of this prophecy.

 

[Yekcidmij]

I'm going to stick my nose in and say that the person is merely using one of the accepted Pentecostal formats for giving a prophetic word.

I figured as much too. I just want to call attention to it and hope people realize what they are claiming when they do this.

I have looked carefully at the word given and it is quite consistent with the written Word of God.

I saw nothing incosistent with scripture.

Here is the prophecy in the third person:

"You are going through a season of cleansing, any emotional turmoil that you've gone through has brought you to the doorsteps of this season of purification. there is a well that the Lord has set before you that you have not rested at, there is a pool of living water from which you have not drunk. come to the Lord and He will give you rest. this is not yet over, but when it passes, He will have revealed much more to you."

So you can see that the word could happily apply to any of us, because we all could do with having more of the Lord in our lives and be purified, and drinking more of the living water. But the special part for the actual person it is directed to is whether it specifically applies to definite things that the person is experiencing right now.

That is my assessment of this prophecy.

Cool.

 

[The Princess Bride]

Heather i understand your concern for your BF however sister you should be soooo very proud of him and his mission.
Man may have many reasons for our presense in the middle east but please understand Heather our and other nations presence is what stands between Iran [ and all islamic nations] and Israel.
If we were not at the border of iran they would have already attempted to destroy Israel. Our presense is protecting Israel from the nations of the world set on destroying Israel.
If these nations can destroy Israel then they realize this will make the Bible a lie. By protecting and defending Israel we are upholding Gods Word.
And each and every day Israel is not attacked by the nations of the world is one more day the deciples of Jesus Christ has to shine the light of Christ to those lost.
The battle God is placing your BF in is a battle we have all been in sense our birth, there will be winners and there will be losers some will go to heaven and yes some will go to hell.
But understand its a battle we are all in like it or not you are in it as well.
The battle beteen good and evil rages within hearts, minds, sociities and nations.
The treat to you Heather is as great as it is to your BF. The battle rages for our very souls daily. Discouragement and doubt can be as deadly as any roadside bomb.
Great pride and honor follows the knowledge knowing your BF has been chosen by God among many others to help stand between Israel and its enimies.
Your BF and the thousands of other soliders are protecting the seed of Jacob, the apple of Gods eye, the city where Jesus Christ will return and his kingdom the New Jerusalum will come down from the sky.
Praise the Lord !! each day your BF serves and Jimmie and all the others serving is one more day for the lost to turn and hear Gods call !!
These soliders stand and defend the bridge between the nations of the world who since the very beginning has seeked to destroy Israel.
The rod shall pass from Israels hand to Christs hand and God is using your BF and many others to see to that !!

Thanks Rod.

Although those Israeli soldiers from what I have heard can whoop butt.

Oh...Navy.

Cool, I have a friend currently stationed in Japan with the Navy.

 

[pilgrimage]

Amen for those in Armagedin

 

[knownbeforetime]

Hello

 

[trulyliving]

I'm going to stick my nose in and say that the person is merely using one of the accepted Pentecostal formats for giving a prophetic word.

Of course, the only way we are going to know for sure that God is speaking directly is to quote Scripture word for word.

I have looked carefully at the word given and it is quite consistent with the written Word of God.

Of course, the Holy Spirit needs to apply it to the receiving person's heart for it to actually speak to him, otherwise it is a generic word that anyone could receive.

Here is the prophecy in the third person:

"You are going through a season of cleansing, any emotional turmoil that you've gone through has brought you to the doorsteps of this season of purification. there is a well that the Lord has set before you that you have not rested at, there is a pool of living water from which you have not drunk. come to the Lord and He will give you rest. this is not yet over, but when it passes, He will have revealed much more to you."

So you can see that the word could happily apply to any of us, because we all could do with having more of the Lord in our lives and be purified, and drinking more of the living water. But the special part for the actual person it is directed to is whether it specifically applies to definite things that the person is experiencing right now.

That is my assessment of this prophecy.

Yes, thank you. What you said is the heart of where it was coming from.... "accepted Pentecostal formats"... as far as it being an actual word from God, I thought I'd pray, try and test before brothers and sisters because I thought this is what this thread was for. So we'll just have to see how Silvy receives it or if it applies.

If in this "practice thread" it is not accepted format to use the "I" format as in you're speaking from God's, please let me know. Thanks everyone for your input. I will try to be sensitive to whatever etiquette exists here, so please just inform.

 

[cory533]

Getting information from God's Word was the first point I made!!! I called it getting insights from the Bible. Now if that isn't reading God's Word what is????

Blessed are those with eyes to see what is right in front of them...

I read it twice and didn't see it I wonder if someone needed an expanded explaination, or if I am just an airhead. Sorry I missed it

 

[OneOfHisHandmaidens]

Here is where Oscarr stated what you missed:

"Here are the ways I think God speaks to us, other than the dramatic and audible.

He speaks to us through the insights we get from the Bible.
He speaks to us through our Christian brothers and sisters when they share the good things of God with us.
He speaks through our circumstances and the lessons we learn from them.
He speaks through the "hunches" we get about situations and people; when we feel that we need to go and see someone, or to telephone them; or not to go and see a certain person, or go to a place. We always get positive and negative feelins and impressions about things. Often it is the Holy Spirit speaking to us about them, either giving us the freedom to be involved, or a warning to keep away."


This was just an excerpt.....so you can place where it is in the post he originally wrote it in. (post #194)

 

[BellaSong]

It's been a while since I have mozied back in here. One day I really wanted to ask for a word just because I was trying to get affirmation of God's very existence and of His knowledge of me... silly, I know. I felt convicted that I should not do so though. Now I am slowly drawing back close to God and experiencing Him again for real. In light of that, I am joining back in in this thread. I would really appreciate people praying for me, not necessarily for a word, in fact please don't give me one unless you absolutely feel that God is telling you to, I just ask for prayer in general.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It's been a while since I have mozied back in here. One day I really wanted to ask for a word just because I was trying to get affirmation of God's very existence and of His knowledge of me... silly, I know. I felt convicted that I should not do so though. Now I am slowly drawing back close to God and experiencing Him again for real. In light of that, I am joining back in in this thread. I would really appreciate people praying for me, not necessarily for a word, in fact please don't give me one unless you absolutely feel that God is telling you to, I just ask for prayer in general.

I will give you a link to the prophecies that I put on the Prophetic Ministry forum last year. You might be encouraged by reading them, and maybe one or two will speak to you in a special way.

http://personal-communication.net.nz/prophetic_encouragement.htm

 

[cory533]

Here is where Oscarr stated what you missed:

"Here are the ways I think God speaks to us, other than the dramatic and audible.

He speaks to us through the insights we get from the Bible.
He speaks to us through our Christian brothers and sisters when they share the good things of God with us.
He speaks through our circumstances and the lessons we learn from them.
He speaks through the "hunches" we get about situations and people; when we feel that we need to go and see someone, or to telephone them; or not to go and see a certain person, or go to a place. We always get positive and negative feelins and impressions about things. Often it is the Holy Spirit speaking to us about them, either giving us the freedom to be involved, or a warning to keep away."


This was just an excerpt.....so you can place where it is in the post he originally wrote it in. (post #194)

Thanks I did see it after Oscar said something it was the two times prior I missed it.

 

[knownbeforetime]

Maybe a word for my Dad?

 

[Stpatterk]

I must be a slow reader. Took me almost 4 hours to read up and catch up with the posts in this thread. Seems to me there are several issues on this thread that appear to stick out.

I'm not Pentecostal and the particular denomination is not prominant in this part of the world. Not that we hold anything against them just that the vast majority of Inuit are either Catholic or Anglican and further, that the majority are unilingual and speak Inuktitut (Inuit language) only.

The Anglicans hold their services seperately in English or Inuktitut. The Catholics hold theirs with whatever language may be present at the service whether it's French, English, Inuktitut and Spanish.

My understanding of the Pentecostal is that it's a fairly young denomination whereas the Catholic and the Anglican are not. It kind of behooves me when Oscarr or anyone mentions that the first person delivery of a prophetic a word is an "old Pentecostal format."

What is that suppose to mean? Is it either this type of delivery is outdated? or is it another way of suggesting a "put down" on a denomination that some us not may not belong to? Mom raised me up not to put one denomination above another so I try and attend services in all denominations and I find that wherever I go, the Spirit of the Lord is always present. Present more in others, depending on how much room the Lordship of Jesus Christ is given and how much respect the role of the Holy Spirit is given as well.

Personally, I have no problems with a first person mode delivery of a prophetic word. I find God can use each vessel as it pleases Him because He has washed us with the blood of the Lamb. Whenever we have services up here and it's all Inuktitut, individuals may often be approached in the presence of three or four witnesses to deliver a word.

This word can be in "tongues" given that an interpreter is present. The others present are there to judge the word given to make sure that it is not off-base from scripture. The majority of the word given is first person delivery mode. If it's second person, it's accepted but usually with caution but not strongly encouraged as in our language, it's accepted that God can speak for Himself and doesn't need an interpreter, so to speak.

Then again, the US has had problems with Jimmy Jones and the cults that have sprung up and misled many innocent people astray. This is sad and my heart goes out to friends and family who have been affected by this. Up here we've encountered at the most maybe one individual who took that path and it sounded a lot like the way our American Naval Officer often questions others.

Although I do not question it and although it may be a very effective preventive method in ensuring that the flock doesn't go down the cultic route, I wonder if it may be just as effective in preventing those who may wish to stretch their wings and flap them before taking an extended flight into the "unknown".

If I were to deliver something prophetic in a second person mode, it would immediately be replaced by another speaking in a first person mode. Maybe it's just a language barrier but when the deliver is given in a first person mode, there is so authority but still leaves room for others to judge the message to see if it was in fact given from above and not from below.

This is a practice thread, is it not? I strongly believe that if it is, then the OP should be present to make sure that it is open to what the Holy Spirit had originally assigned the individual so the person can be rewarded with love and grace for being a succesful stewart.

If we as a collective group of individuals high-jack this thread, then I doubt we are acting in love neither are we aligned with the truth that the individual may had originally been assigned. If it pleases the OP, maybe there should be room given for those who are comfortable in giving the prophetic in the way the person delivering it is most comfortable in the same way that each of us belong to a denomination we're most comfortable with and not lord our beliefs over others.

 

[cory533]

Stpatterk,I will let Oscar speak for himself but as a penticostal I took no offence at his statement I interpereted it to be more of an explaination of a cultural difference than a put down of the difference.
Other than that I agree with you We should deliver what God gives us as he gives it.To some it comes one way to others another. I would just leave the caveat if you say thus says the Lord or speak His words in first person you had better be sure it IS His words or you condemn yourself with them. There is no room for error or misunderstanding once you cross that line IMO.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Stpatterk,I will let Oscar speak for himself but as a penticostal I took no offence at his statement I interpereted it to be more of an explaination of a cultural difference than a put down of the difference.
Other than that I agree with you We should deliver what God gives us as he gives it.To some it comes one way to others another. I would just leave the caveat if you say thus says the Lord or speak His words in first person you had better be sure it IS His words or you condemn yourself with them. There is no room for error or misunderstanding once you cross that line IMO.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity.

I wasn't trying to compare Pentecostalism with other denominations. Every denomination has strengths in the way they approach God. And you have to pick the meat from the bones in every one as well.

What I meant was that giving prophecies in the first person voice of God starting with "thus says the Lord" was a convention that started with the Pentecostal movement when it came into being in the early 20th century. Not a lot was known about the gifts of the Spirit, and sincere people just took on the terminology of the Old Testament. I believe that God honoured those prophecies because He knew that prophecy was a new ability just revealed to the church after hundreds of years of it being in a lapsed, dormant state.

Now, in saying that, I believe that the prophetic has always been there, no matter what denomination. Every time anyone had a 'hunch' or a new insight into God's word, that was prophetic although they would not have described it as such.

It was the early Pentecostal movement that actually defined prophecy as a gift that could be used by speaking out prophecies in the church meetings.

I believe that over the years, the Holy Spirit has been teaching people and refining the gift to make it easier to understand and more realistic to ordinary people - that anyone can have a word from God, and that it does not have to be spoken in King James English, and it does not have to always be spoken by the appointed 'prophets' or leaders in the church.

Therefore I am not setting up the Pentecostal movement as the only group who know about and use prophecy. It is just that different groups have different ways of defining and expressing it.

Helpful?