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I haven't lower myself by quoting Bible scriptures or posting stats, and have never created or been hostile to anyone, so again with the false witness.
You can think what you want on who will be and will not be in heaven, but when it all comes down to it it is the Lord who knows. Who has plainly told and warned us in His Word what will get people into heaven and what will not.
You know it is getting so old when people try to claim that I think I am better then anyone else, but I guess if it is said enough some will believe the lie and a miracle might happen and it become true.........................NOT.
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I thought maybe someone should go back and explain by this thread has went in the direction it has gone. So I thought I would try.
Many months ago someone posted on a thread that HIV/AIDS and homosexuals were not related or something like that. So me not being raised on computer, and not even thinking about the fact that it wasnt just people talking from the USA, posted some CDC and/or JAMA stats that showed in America the largest number of cases of HIV/AIDS was spread by male to male homosexuals. I also posted stats that showed in several American cities those numbers were real high.
I didnt add to or take away any information from these stats, and I even posted the links to the stats so that it could be plainly seen that I didnt do anything but post the stats. A post soon after that pointed out that not everyone posting was from America, and that they were speaking world wide not just certain areas. I apologized for the misunderstanding and posted the stats for world wide spread of HIV/AIDS.
I was told that I was promoting hate, and that I was a prejudice bigot for posting stats that I didnt make and/or change. I also was called a liar.
Anyhow, this is how this thread has went in this direction, and I am still wondering why I am having people bear false witness against me when all I did was post stats and nothing more.
If someone has problems with the stats then take it up with the CDC, JAMA and all other medical studies that have researched and released this information. Trying to say that I have done something to promote some lies and falsehood is totally ridiculous. As I and several other posted here have said more then once, I have no hate for those who say they are homosexual, and have nothing but love for them, as I do for all of Gods creations.
If I didnt care I can assure you I would stay here and be lied about on what seems like a daily bases, anymore.
So for those who were wondering how this thread got where it is right now, this is why. No worries though as I have said all there is to say on this matter, and so will not be trying to correct anymore of the lies stated against me and others.
Please everyone read for yourself the post and not lean on someone elses understanding.
God Bless.
maligning and scapegoating gays and lesbians.
People who go out of their way to spread misinformation about gays and lesbians are not behaving in a Christ like manner. In fact they are serving evil and perverting Christ's message.
I haven't lower myself by quoting Bible scriptures or posting stats, and have never created or been hostile to anyone, so again with the false witness.
You can think what you want on who will be and will not be in heaven, but when it all comes down to it it is the Lord who knows. Who has plainly told and warned us in His Word what will get people into heaven and what will not.
You know it is getting so old when people try to claim that I think I am better then anyone else, but I guess if it is said enough some will believe the lie and a miracle might happen and it become true.........................NOT.
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I thought maybe someone should go back and explain by this thread has went in the direction it has gone. So I thought I would try.
Many months ago someone posted on a thread that HIV/AIDS and homosexuals were not related or something like that. So me not being raised on computer, and not even thinking about the fact that it wasnt just people talking from the USA, posted some CDC and/or JAMA stats that showed in America the largest number of cases of HIV/AIDS was spread by male to male homosexuals. I also posted stats that showed in several American cities those numbers were real high.
I didnt add to or take away any information from these stats, and I even posted the links to the stats so that it could be plainly seen that I didnt do anything but post the stats. A post soon after that pointed out that not everyone posting was from America, and that they were speaking world wide not just certain areas. I apologized for the misunderstanding and posted the stats for world wide spread of HIV/AIDS.
I was told that I was promoting hate, and that I was a prejudice bigot for posting stats that I didnt make and/or change. I also was called a liar.
Anyhow, this is how this thread has went in this direction, and I am still wondering why I am having people bear false witness against me when all I did was post stats and nothing more.
If someone has problems with the stats then take it up with the CDC, JAMA and all other medical studies that have researched and released this information. Trying to say that I have done something to promote some lies and falsehood is totally ridiculous. As I and several other posted here have said more then once, I have no hate for those who say they are homosexual, and have nothing but love for them, as I do for all of Gods creations.
If I didnt care I can assure you I would stay here and be lied about on what seems like a daily bases, anymore.
So for those who were wondering how this thread got where it is right now, this is why. No worries though as I have said all there is to say on this matter, and so will not be trying to correct anymore of the lies stated against me and others.
Please everyone read for yourself the post and not lean on someone elses understanding.
God Bless.
What makes you think catlover is discriminating? [.quote] Based on the Bible, the Bible warns against homosexual offenders and the proud and arrogant, what makes catlover think people subject to one sin will be ahead of people subject to another. In this way why discriminate against the arrogant?
Ok well not really as I am only referring to the sins not anyone people who catlover thinks might be grouped according to the sins. But your comment is even more amazing as the Bible warns sin leads to death and you are implying the opposite.As I read the 2 posts, I think catlover thinks both will be in heaven and you think both will be in hell.
I dont spend any time warning homosexuals of hell, I am witnessing the gospel of Jesus Christ to my homosexual friends, if they accept Him as their Lord they will begin to deal with repenting from same-sex unions. Why do you spend so much of your time trying to argue against Christian Biblical beliefs on a Christian based forum?I am curious, though, why you spend so much more time and energy warning homosexuals of hell than warning the arrogant of hell.
Dear Crazy Liz,
Based on the Bible, the Bible warns against homosexual offenders and the proud and arrogant, what makes catlover think people subject to one sin will be ahead of people subject to another. In this way why discriminate against the arrogant?What makes you think catlover is discriminating?
Dear Jamielindas,
yes. So you agree arsenokoites =same-sex sex and is a sin. Good.
This is Vogon poetry which comes from The Hitchhikers guide to the Galaxy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogon_poetry
Oh freddled gruntbuggling,
Thy nacturations are to me
As plurdled grabbleblotchits
On a lurgid bee.
Groop, I implore thee, my footing turlingdromes
And hooptiously drangle me
With crinkly binglewurgles,
For otherwise, I will rend thee in the gobberwarts with my blurglecruncheon,
See if I don't!
So I have given you the wording and the source. Whats the source for yours?
Dear catlover,
based on what? If the Bible indcates those who are arogant and homosexual offenders will not inherit the Kingdom how do you make your discrimination against the arogant?
Or perhaps its up to God whose testimony about it, is in the Bible, and some people dont like others pointing it out.
Dear Crazy Liz,
What makes you think catlover is discriminating? [.quote] Based on the Bible, the Bible warns against homosexual offenders and the proud and arrogant, what makes catlover think people subject to one sin will be ahead of people subject to another. In this way why discriminate against the arrogant?Ok well not really as I am only referring to the sins not anyone people who catlover thinks might be grouped according to the sins. But your comment is even more amazing as the Bible warns sin leads to death and you are implying the opposite.
I dont spend any time warning homosexuals of hell, I am witnessing the gospel of Jesus Christ to my homosexual friends, if they accept Him as their Lord they will begin to deal with repenting from same-sex unions. Why do you spend so much of your time trying to argue against Christian Biblical beliefs on a Christian based forum?
You make some assumptions here that are probably not accurate. Plenty of gay people accept Jesus as Lord and savior, ad they do not "repent from same-sex unions." That's because same-sex marriages are not a sin, and there is no need to repent from something that is not a sin.
Dear Crazy Liz,
You make some assumptions here that are probably not accurate. Plenty of gay people accept Jesus as Lord and savior, ad they do not "repent from same-sex unions." That's because same-sex marriages are not a sin, and there is no need to repent from something that is not a sin.
THAT is the problem. You can't make Jesus the Lord of your life when YOU are sitting on the throne, committing perverse acts against Him. Homosexual acts are indeed sinfully separating one from knowing God, and the marriage bit---well, that is absurd.
maligning and scapegoating gays and lesbians.
People who go out of their way to spread misinformation about gays and lesbians are not behaving in a Christ like manner. In fact they are serving evil and perverting Christ's message.
THAT is the problem. You can't make Jesus the Lord of your life when YOU are sitting on the throne, committing perverse acts against Him. Homosexual acts are indeed sinfully separating one from knowing God, and the marriage bit---well, that is absurd.
What "perverse acts" do you accuse me of committing? What "homosexual acts" are you imagining that I commit?
The "marriage bit" is supported by my church. My church honors and performs same-sex marriages. And this "absurd" institution you call the "marriage bit" between same-sex spouses is now legally recognized in a growing number of nations, including yours.
So would you say that your heterosexual lifestyle revolves around heterosexual sex? I suspect not. Similarly, the lifestyles of most homosexual people don't revolve around homosexual sex. Sure, some homosexual people engage in homosexual sex, but that's not the same as their lives revolving around it.
When we talk about any group it is impossible not to generalise somewhat.
Actually, yes for many years my life did in fact revolve around sexual things. Not only intercourse but porn. But as for others, take a look at TV, at magazines, billboards, movies, novels, or listen to radio. Please try to tell me that western cultre does not revolve around sex. Anyway, I am not saying homosexuals are simply obsessed with sex. Our sexuality simply haapens to be a major defining element in society. But again, this seems to me to simply be proponents of Homosexuality picking apart terms for the sake of it. No matter how innocent or neutral a term is, there is allways a champion for the "oppressed" to take up the standard and complain about it.
The bigger problem with the term "homosexual lifestyle" is that in reality, there is not one single homosexual lifestyle - rather, there are many homosexual people, all leading their own individual lives and lifestyles. Sure, there's some similarity one with another, but then in my experience, there's a great deal of similarity between the lifestyles of homosexual and heterosexual people. The only difference is who they're likely to be attracted to and (if relevant) who they're likely to be having sex with.
David.
Me? shame? Hardly!
There is a huge homosexual agenda afoot! It is highly organized and moving at great speed through society, knocking down strongholds of righteousness that have been left unguarded.
Denials of such an agenda are completely unbelievable. It is a Satanic machine that may have you blinded to its source, but it is a Satanic agenda just the same, and the soldiers are misguided and perverse people.
You've got THAT right! Jesus Christ is totally left out of the lives of the perverse!
The hatred is found in the hearts of those who embrace sin--hatred toward God Himself, and His loving provision for a Saviour and Lord.
The attacks you speak of are not attacks at all! They are warnings and voices of truth that you need to heed.
Christophobia lives here. It is behind the initiative
to silence moral and godly disapproval of homosexuality.
Hi, savedandhappy1!
I do remember that post you made and I was aware that you posted the information in exactly the right spirit.
I know that you are only desiring truth to be known and that is the reason you post here, my dear!
I am very aware. I contend that a homosexual is lost, spiritually and in need of a Saviour and Deliverer.
I'm curious why you think the OP was specifically about you and that one post you made a few months ago?
I find it hard to imagine this whole thread is all about one post that was made months ago, but if that's what this is all about, then I'd like to be the first to step forward and offer a hand of reconciliation.
Posting US disease statistics, and nothing more, is not maligning and scapegoating gays and lesbians. It is not spreading misinformation. It is unjust and wrong to make such an accusation based on nothing more than posting health statistics. I call on everyone who has accused savedandhappy1 of doing these things merely by posting statistics a few months ago to apologize and repent of their unjust treatment.
I am truly sorry you were maligned just for posting health statistics.
Please forgive me.
See, this is what can get frustrating from time to time; when you reduce someone or a group of people down to a single descriptor, label or even action, you devalue them as whole people.
I would point out, though, that people who support equal and fair treatment for gay people are not "proponents of homosexuality." That expression makes it sound as though we are going around advocating that people have sex with a partner of the same sex, and that's not true for most supporters of gay rights. We are proponents of equality. That's a more accurate description of those of us who support equal and fair treatment for gay people.
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