Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[ICONO'CLAST]

That is not my experience. I was fake before I joined a Pentecostal church. But it was still 6 years before I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And you don't have to be in a Pentecostal church to repent of all sin and receive the Baptism. Many non-Pentecostals are free from sin, the number one result of the Baptism. Pentecostals go on from there to receive gifts that non-Pentecostals don't want.

Everyone sins while still in this life and body on earth.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

If you "turn from" sin, repent, that is, more sins shows the repentance was a lie.
You can't forge a relationship with God that is based on a lie.

BTW, I am perfect and never sin. (Since my repentance from sin)
Thankfully I won't be judged for the bad knees and glasses I must wear, but for my representation of Christ on earth now.
Sinners can't do that.

You are not sinless. You sin everyday I am sure. Any who claim sinless perfection are deluded sinners, full of a self righteousness.

 

[guevaraj]

Everyone sins while still in this life and body on earth.

You are not sinless. You sin everyday I am sure. Any who claim sinless perfection are deluded sinners, full of a self righteousness.

Brother, you will sin less and less as your faith grows and we do not have to stay long with our sin, as happened in the past with animal sacrifices because we have Jesus interceding on our behalf in the daily of the heavenly temple as our high priest for the forgiveness of our sins the moment you realized them. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BCsenior]

Where is the repentance? And don't say 1 John 1:9 because that is how to become a Christian.

John was writing to believers, so I think 1 John 1:7-9 is for those who are already believers.
But, you have made quite a study on sin,
and I thank you for sharing your thoughts
about it again!

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Brother, you will sin less and less as your faith grows and we do not have to stay long with our sin, as happened in the past with animal sacrifices because we have Jesus interceding on our behalf in the daily of the heavenly temple as our high priest for the forgiveness of our sins the moment you realized them. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Yes, people sin less as they grow in Christ, but every one of us still sins as believers. We do not practice sin habitually, but sin here on earth. Only deluded religious hypocrites claim sinless perfection;
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

romans7:
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[guevaraj]

Yes, people sin less as they grow in Christ, but every one of us still sins as believers. We do not practice sin habitually, but sin here on earth. Only deluded religious hypocrites claim sinless perfection;

Brother, given the quick removal of sin that Jesus offers in the "daily" of the heavenly temple, there is no reason to think we cannot remain sinless? We can deal with sin as fast as we breathe by asking Jesus to forgive us the moment, we realize sin in us. All you need to grow fast is the help of the Holy Spirit, since these charismatics live and breathe with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, they can achieve what God wants and has given us Jesus to be successful. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

1stcenturylady,
[Don't you know that it is the finished work of Jesus Christ that has provided the infilling of the Holy Spirit?]
okay
[Jesus didn't die so we could sin without condemnation.]
Christians are not "free" to sin. However, there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.

[He died to FREE us from the sin nature we inherited from Adam, so that we are no longer sin's slave.]
You have partial truth here. Sins dominion has been broken, but we will still commit acts of sin while we remain in this body on earth.

[Those who continue to sin DO NOT BELONG TO CHRIST.]
Those who are Christ's do not habitually sin 1jn3:9, but we do commit acts of sin. There is no denying this. It is a fact, plain and simple. You still have lustful thoughts, you sometimes think unkind thoughts towards others. These are all sin.

[But there was a false doctrine started during the Reformation that has deceived millions.]

The only false doctrine is today's deluded charismatic teachings that you offer here

[And that is there is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus.]

Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

[Sounds right to many, but Jesus didn't author it, and even the demons believe and tremble.]
Paul did

{There is a condition to that statement, and that is no condemnation for those who do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit. THAT is what Jesus provides - His Spirit, without which you cannot be righteous.]

This is not a condition, but a reality for every believer.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Brother, given the quick removal of sin that Jesus offers in the "daily" of the heavenly temple, there is no reason to think we cannot remain sinless? We can deal with sin as fast as we breathe by asking Jesus to forgive us the moment, we realize sin in us. All you need to grow fast is the help of the Holy Spirit, since these charismatics live and breathe with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, they can achieve what God wants and has given us Jesus to be successful. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Most follow the guidance of the flesh, not the Spirit.
I do not believe a woman who claims she had a vision with the fourth commandment circled, and spoke about an investigative judgment. This is false additional revelation that becomes a gospel of works, be careful my friend.

 

[guevaraj]

Most follow the guidance of the flesh, not the Spirit.
I do not believe a woman who claims she had a vision with the fourth commandment circled, and spoke about an investigative judgment. This is false additional revelation that becomes a gospel of works, be careful my friend.

Brother, there is a “powerful delusion” to defend the Sunday tradition that replaces the Sabbath by linking it with Jesus as a celebration of the resurrection.

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV)​

God in His wisdom has hidden a truth from the beginning that breaks that “powerful delusion” that has kept Bible students from questioning the Sunday tradition as a replacement for the true Sabbath of God.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)​

The hidden truth that breaks the charm with the Sunday tradition is that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday! United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[bmjackson]

[Those who continue to sin DO NOT BELONG TO CHRIST.]

Amen. If we sin we do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling within. As seen in the OT, the temple must be cleansed before God will come to dwell. He cannot do otherwise, being holy. Anything unholy will fall down dead in His presence. Brother your Calvisinism is a ticket to hell.

 

[BCsenior]

Brother, there is a “powerful delusion” to defend the Sunday tradition that replaces the Sabbath by linking it with Jesus as a celebration of the resurrection.

What do you do with ...
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things
to come, but the substance is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[guevaraj]

What do you do with ...
"So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things
to come, but the substance is of Christ." (Colossians 2:16-17)

Brother, refers to the special Sabbaths linked to the months that Jews celebrate and we do not, and that can not refer to the weekly Sabbath that God revealed to be "forever", that means there is no end, ever.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)​

When God says that something is "forever", He means without end, ever. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[BCsenior]

Brother, refers to the special Sabbaths linked to the months that Jews celebrate and we do not, and that can not refer to the weekly Sabbath ...

Colossians was written to "the faithful" saints
in Colossae (and not to the unfaithful).
It is all about Christ is preeminent ...
first in everything!
It wasn't written to Jews or Israelites.
And I am NOT a Jew or Israelite.

 

[guevaraj]

Colossians was written to "the faithful" saints
in Colossae (and not to the unfaithful).
It wasn't written to Jews or Israelites.
And I am NOT a Jew or Israelite.

Brother, from God’s point of view, all the gentiles who have “come in” are part of Israel.

I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: “The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. (Romans 11:25-32 NIV)​

“All Israel” includes not only the “part” that excepted Jesus where the gentiles “come in” but also the part that did not except Him, who are our enemies until Jesus returns and forgives them, saving “all Israel”. Therefore, from God’s point of view, we are part of Israel, the part that accepted Jesus. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Brother, there is a “powerful delusion” to defend the Sunday tradition that replaces the Sabbath by linking it with Jesus as a celebration of the resurrection.

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 NIV)​

God in His wisdom has hidden a truth from the beginning that breaks that “powerful delusion” that has kept Bible students from questioning the Sunday tradition as a replacement for the true Sabbath of God.

The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.'" (Exodus 31:16-17 NIV)​

The hidden truth that breaks the charm with the Sunday tradition is that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday! United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

You should not follow a false vision by a false prophet.
There is no investigative judgment.
Christians are not Old Covenant Israelites. they have been set aside,mt 21:43

 

[guevaraj]

You should not follow a false vision by a false prophet.
There is no investigative judgment.
Christians are not Old Covenant Israelites. they have been set aside,mt 21:43

Brother, here is the heavenly judgement that takes place before the coming of Jesus as revealed in Daniel.

As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened. (Daniel 7:9-10 NIV)​

The order of events in the accounts that are repeating in greater detail in Daniel makes this judgment the event that takes place at the end of the 2300 year prophesy that William Miller believed was the coming of Jesus. Unfortunately, he skipped the heavenly judgment necessary to resurrect only the saved when Jesus returns, which began when he thought Jesus would return. The first resurrection is only of the saved, the lost remain on the ground to resurrect at the end of the thousand years. A judgment is needed before Jesus' return to determine the saved who will resurrect to go to heaven when Jesus returns. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Brother, here is the heavenly judgement that takes place before the coming of Jesus as revealed in Daniel.

As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened. (Daniel 7:9-10 NIV)​

The order of events in the accounts that are repeating in greater detail in Daniel makes this judgment the event that takes place at the end of the 2300 year prophesy that William Miller believed was the coming of Jesus. Unfortunately, he skipped the heavenly judgment necessary to resurrect only the saved when Jesus returns, which began when he thought Jesus would return. The first resurrection is only of the saved, the lost remain on the ground to resurrect at the end of the thousand years. A judgment is needed before Jesus' return to determine the saved who will resurrect to go to heaven when Jesus returns. United in the hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I know you are trying to helpful, but this woman was a deluded fanatic, so I do not pay attention to her teaching, it is false.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

"bmjackson,
[Brother your Calvisinism is a ticket to hell.]

Hello BMJ,

Tell me scripturally your objection to the teaching, and I will see if I can help you with it.
Calvinism when correctly taught and understood is the gospel as it has been revealed.
Many object to false ideas,{caricatures} of the teaching and not the teaching itself.
here is an idea of the correct teaching;
The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

 

[bmjackson]

"bmjackson,
[Brother your Calvisinism is a ticket to hell.]

Hello BMJ,

Tell me scripturally your objection to the teaching, and I will see if I can help you with it.
Calvinism when correctly taught and understood is the gospel as it has been revealed.
Many object to false ideas,{caricatures} of the teaching and not the teaching itself.
here is an idea of the correct teaching;
The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith

Hi there. I was a staunch 5 pointer (TULIP) until I began to study the scriptures for myself and not through Calvin's lens. Did you know that Augustines interpretation of Romans 7, the one you believe in, was unheard of before he brought it in during his disputes with Pelagius?

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Hi there. I was a staunch 5 pointer (TULIP) until I began to study the scriptures for myself and not through Calvin's lens. Did you know that Augustines interpretation of Romans 7, the one you believe in, was unheard of before he brought it in during his disputes with Pelagius?

I do not pay attention to those men. They were trying to understand the scriptures in their day, without many study helps we use.
If you would like to make your scriptural case, I would react to it if you like.