This is what I said, which it seems you have missed completely:
Apparently.
Your point seems to be that if exhortations and warnings are delivered to us it is because we sin.
Is that right?
"You've ignored/avoided all the verses I've shared that show that warnings against sin are to believers. If your view were correct, there would be no need, and, in fact, such warnings would be actually stupid and non-sensical."
I don't know why you think it unnecessary or stupid.
By hearing the warnings, we stay on our toes to a greater degree.
There is a war for our souls going on, and every exhortation strengthens us against the devil's ways.
Please address WHY Paul wrote Gal 5:16 IF your view was correct and believers cannot sin.
To keep them glorifying God.
People get lazy, or careless without "practice".
Can a guitar player stay sharp without practice?
Neither will a believer without prayer, reading, study, leadership, fellowship, exhortations...etc.
But, again, WHY would Paul have to say such a thing IF believers cannot sin? Your view is contradictory to what Paul writes. Please explain.
The FACT is that a warning IS PRESENT. Something not to do. But your view is that believers cannot sin. So WHY such a warning?
Kinda like a warning to keep breathing, or a command to keep breathing.
Because without exhortation and warning believers turn into unbelievers.
Or more accurately, the hidden unbelief comes out, manifested by sin.
How sensible is that?
Because Paul made that clear, is why.
Eph 1:1 - Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:
He wrote to "God's holy people", "the faithful in Christ".
Now, explain WHY he wrote Gal 4:17 - So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.
Paul was INSISTING that they 'no longer live as the Gentiles do'.
Mention of "Gentiles" is a reference to pagans, unbelievers.
Your view has a lot of explaining to do. Which I don't think can be done.
They were "God's holy people", meaning they were saved and had the Holy Spirit in them.
You keep missing the fact that the warnings speak of the real possibility of sin. Which you have been denying.
I'll accept any and every warning not to slip into a lazy "gate keeper" syndrome.
It is on me to keep myself pure, and Paul's, and other's warnings keep me/us from going outside the lines.
There is a real possibility to sin, even to those who manifest Christ's life, and death, every day of their new lives.
We are to endure till the end, but not all will.
Not everyone in those new churches Paul was writing to had all the knowledge and incites Paul possessed.
Teaching were imperative for those "changing teams"...so to speak.
Let's look at John 5:24 for an explanation of the principle of Rom 8:2.
“Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.
The red words indicate a past tense action of current believers; they HAVE crossed from spiritual death to eternal life. This is what Paul was referring to in Rom 8:2.
I agree with your assessment of John 5:24.
But Rom 8:2 is the answer to Paul's Romans 7 lament in verse 23..."But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."
Rom 8:2 tells us that he is now free from "that" law by another law...the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus.
It is proof that Rom 7:23 was NOT in the present tense.
It was part of his narrative about how life WAS as a Jew.
What was "cured" was the penalty of sin. When a person believes, they have been saved from the penalty of sin.
Better yet, they are freed from service to sin. (John 8:32-34)
iow, the "law of sin" in Rom 8:2 is the PENALTY OF SIN. At faith in Christ, that penalty is removed. The believer is NO LONGER under the penalty of sin.
As long as that "believer" never commits another sin, you are right.
Paul NEVER said that believers no longer sin.
Oh ya?
"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom.6:6-7)
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1)
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)
"Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;" (1 Peter 4:1)
I added one exhortation from Peter, and have more from John and James.
I asked:
"Can you explain exactly HOW you "walk in the Spirit and not in the flesh"?"
Your answer:
"Rules state that I can't promote a sin free life, so I won't use that as the "way"."
What are you talking about, these "rules"?
A moderator made an appearance in another thread, informing us that "sinless perfection" is a banned topic here.
As that is the answer to your previous question, it behooved me to skirt the issue.
That was my question. Teach me how to kill the old man.
It is most concisely spelled out in Romans 6:3-7...
"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin."
We kill the old man by joining with Christ in the crucifixion.
We are buried with Christ, and we are raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.
Reborn of Godly seed.
Seed that cannot bear evil fruit.
What are you talking about? The FACT is that Paul's commands and exhortations REFUTE your views, and you can't explain WHY he made them, if believers cannot sin.
Are you one of those people who complains because there are so many life preservers on cruise ships?
Or one of those people who complains about the flight stewardess telling you how to fasten your seat belt?
I think you must be...
Paul provides a road map for our behavior, for our safety, and it would suit you well to adhere to it.
What is your point here? Obviously your statement means we have choices to make. Which is my point about sin. We choose to sin. That's what the Bible says is possible, and you deny.
I should think Paul's exhortations should bother you a whole lot. But you seem oblivious to all this.
Point?
Sorry but that dog don't hunt.
As you are again not bracketing what you are responding to, I can't follow along.
During Paul's missionary work, evangelism occurred outside the churches, which were house churches. He preached in synagogues and public places. It was after people believed, that they joined in these house churches.
Not anything like we have today.
But, just to assume your point is valid and Paul was writing to unbelievers about not sinning, what would be the point?
What does it benefit an unbeliever to reduce his/her sinning? Seriously.
It shows them what will be expected of them if they decide to submit to God.
