Proof: You were only forgiven of your past sins!

[BCsenior]

I am know I fear living in hell and I know that I want to reside with God. This life hurts, so not sure I understand

Bless you, Kareen!
The most important thing is what you already have, and that is ... the correct heart attitude!
This really blesses the Lord.

I entreat you to PRAISE Him and THANK Him
all the time ... for what He has done for you!

Also, we all will be battling the enemy
(Satan and his demons) more and more
in these last days!

Our enemy HATES these 2 words more
than any others >>> JESUS and BLOOD.
So, if you feel you are being attacked in
some way, use these words repeatedly.

Jesus Loves You so much! ... and I love you.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

You are not saved if you sin and sin and sin and dont ask for forgiveness. Jesus did not suffer and die so that one could sin freely without a care.

Remember, He sent out the Apostles to forgive sins.

He also gave us the Our Father prayer...remember the line about sins!

this is a false gospel of works that you speak of, salvation is of the Lord.

 

[BCsenior]

this is a false gospel of works that you speak of, salvation is of the Lord.

Don't you see 2 very different types of works
mentioned in the NT?

The Ephesians 2:8-9 works refers to works
to get oneself saved, which is impossible!

The Matthew 25 works and the James works
refer to works which prove one's salvation!

Jesus often said that those who love Him
will obey His commandments!
Do you view this obedience as works?

 

[1stcenturylady]

this is a false gospel of works that you speak of, salvation is of the Lord.

Our own works in our own power, yes. But a Christian is given the power of God to do the works through us. That is the difference in the Law vs. the Spirit. Augustine understood this, why can't Calvinists?

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Our own works in our own power, yes. But a Christian is given the power of God to do the works through us. That is the difference in the Law vs. the Spirit. Augustine understood this, why can't Calvinists?

Did you look at the post I responded to.?It denies the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you do not understand the post by the deceived Roman catholic, you will not understand my response.

 

[BCsenior]

Did you look at the post I responded to? It denies the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you do not understand the post by the deceived Roman catholic, you will not understand my response.

This is the first part of what he wrote ...
"You are not saved if you sin and sin and sin and dont ask for forgiveness. Jesus did not suffer and die so that one could sin freely without a care."
... it is absolutely correct, no matter who he is!

 

[Lost4words]

this is a false gospel of works that you speak of, salvation is of the Lord.

No its not.

Even Saints sinned. They repented and asked for forgiveness. Nobody is sin free. Jesus didnt suffer and die so that we could freely sin without seeking forgiveness when we do sin.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Did you look at the post I responded to.?It denies the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you do not understand the post by the deceived Roman catholic, you will not understand my response.

Don't you know that it is the finished work of Jesus Christ that has provided the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Jesus didn't die so we could sin without condemnation. He died to FREE us from the sin nature we inherited from Adam, so that we are no longer sin's slave.

Those who continue to sin DO NOT BELONG TO CHRIST. But there was a false doctrine started during the Reformation that has deceived millions. And that is there is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus. Sounds right to many, but Jesus didn't author it, and even the demons believe and tremble. There is a condition to that statement, and that is no condemnation for those who do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit. THAT is what Jesus provides - His Spirit, without which you cannot be righteous.

 

[BCsenior]

... there was a false doctrine started during the Reformation that has deceived millions. And that is there is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus.

"There is therefore now no condemnation
to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)

Yes, to be "in Christ Jesus"
does NOT mean to be a BAC.

BACs who do NOT practice habitual sin
are the ones who are "in Christ Jesus"!
They live following the Spirit, and NOT the flesh.

 

[1stcenturylady]

"There is therefore now no condemnation
to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit." (Romans 8:1)

Yes, to be "in Christ Jesus"
does NOT mean to be a BAC.

BACs who do NOT practice habitual sin
are the ones who are "in Christ Jesus"!
They live following the Spirit, and NOT the flesh.

who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."

How can you walk in the Spirit if you don't have the Spirit? Dichotomy.

What I would say is there are some who believe in Jesus the same way a demon does. They are not BAC. To belong to Jesus, one must REPENT of all sin to receive the free gift of the Spirit of Christ. Acts 2:38 and Romans 8:9

 

[bmjackson]

To walk in the Spirit means that one obeys spiritual laws and does not stumble (Jude 23). You cannot sin and walk in the Spirit.

 

[Lost4words]

To walk in the Spirit means that one obeys spiritual laws and does not stumble (Jude 23). You cannot sin and walk in the Spirit.

You can be a Saint and sin. Even the tiniest thing can be a sin!

 

[bmjackson]

The works of the devil are to blurr borders, stop hard lines of black and white, stop the discerning of truth, dividing things. A saint is the opposite of a sinner.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Don't you know that it is the finished work of Jesus Christ that has provided the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Jesus didn't die so we could sin without condemnation. He died to FREE us from the sin nature we inherited from Adam, so that we are no longer sin's slave.

Those who continue to sin DO NOT BELONG TO CHRIST. But there was a false doctrine started during the Reformation that has deceived millions. And that is there is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus. Sounds right to many, but Jesus didn't author it, and even the demons believe and tremble. There is a condition to that statement, and that is no condemnation for those who do not walk after the flesh, but after the Spirit. THAT is what Jesus provides - His Spirit, without which you cannot be righteous.

Are you saying that you no longer sin?

 

[ewq1938]

1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[BCsenior]

who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit."
How can you walk in the Spirit if you don't have the Spirit? Dichotomy.
What I would say is there are some who believe in Jesus the same way a demon does. They are not BAC. To belong to Jesus, one must REPENT of all sin to receive the free gift of the Spirit of Christ. Acts 2:38 and Romans 8:9

I have NO idea what you're getting at.

As for me, IMO ...
- All BACs have the Spirit
(or at least had Him initially).
- Some BACs remain in Christ,
if they are living righteously.
- Some BACs do not remain in Christ,
if they are habitual sinners.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Are you saying that you no longer sin?

I have NO idea what you're getting at.

As for me, IMO ...
- All BACs have the Spirit
(or at least had Him initially).
- Some BACs remain in Christ,
if they are living righteously.
- Some BACs do not remain in Christ,
if they are habitual sinners.

Not all "Christians" have the Spirit, but all born again of the Spirit true Christians have the Spirit.

I am beginning to think you use the term BAC a little too loosely, meaning any Christian is a BAC. That just isn't true. I was a "Christian" for 30 years before I was born again of the Spirit of Christ and received a brand new nature that is of the Spirit and no longer of the flesh.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Are you saying that you no longer sin?

Read 1 John 5:16-17. Are you asking if I commit sins unto death? NO! 1 John 3:9 Are you asking if I commit sins not unto death. Yes, but I have found that in Scripture those are called trespasses and are unwittingly committed, sometimes without our knowledge. Leviticus 5:15; 1 John 1:7 teaches that while you walk in the Spirit and commit trespasses, the blood of Jesus is automatically cleansing us of these sins. I say trespasses there because you cannot commit sins unto death while walking in the Spirit. And John wouldn't have included that last sentence in 1 John 1:7 if we weren't committing something.

Paul uses another term for sins unto death - "willful."

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

Read 1 John 5:16-17. Are you asking if I commit sins unto death? NO! 1 John 3:9 Are you asking if I commit sins not unto death. Yes, but I have found that in Scripture those are called trespasses and are unwittingly committed, sometimes without our knowledge. Leviticus 5:15; 1 John 1:7 teaches that while you walk in the Spirit and commit trespasses, the blood of Jesus is automatically cleansing us of these sins. I say trespasses there because you cannot commit sins unto death while walking in the Spirit. And John wouldn't have included that last sentence in 1 John 1:7 if we weren't committing something.

Paul uses another term for sins unto death - "willful."

sorry but you are confused on some things.
Ijn 3:9 is about habitual sin.
A person without the Spirit is not a Christian,

 

[1stcenturylady]

sorry but you are confused on some things.
Ijn 3:9 is about habitual sin.
A person without the Spirit is not a Christian,

A person with the Spirit has a new nature that doesn't like sin the way the old nature did.

Years ago, I came across this word 'practice' in the NASB which wasn't in my NKJV I usually use, so when that happens I open up the literal bible and interlinears because it is my heart to want GOD'S absolute meaning, no matter how it may cramp my life. In 1 John 3:9 it means commit, as in one time.

Here it is in context. Young's Literal Translation

3 and every one who is having this hope on him, doth purify himself, even as he is pure.

4 Every one who is doing the sin, the lawlessness also he doth do, and the sin is the lawlessness, (you see John specifies what kind of sin he is talking about. Lawlessness was punishable by death in the Old Testament - our tutor, that helps us understand God. Two chapters later he calls it sin unto death.

5 and ye have known that he was manifested that our sins he may take away, and sin is not in him;

6 every one who is remaining in him doth not sin; every one who is sinning, hath not seen him, nor known him.

7 Little children, let no one lead you astray; he who is doing the righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous,

8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

9 every one who hath been begotten of God, sin he doth not, because his seed in him doth remain, and he is not able to sin, because of God he hath been begotten.

Try this. Think of something you would abhor, the most distasteful thing you can imagine, like eating or drinking python poo. Would you just not make a practice of drinking it, but you could do that once in a while? Or could you never in a million years want to eat or drink that poo? P.S. It really stinks! For me the analogy would be hurting an animal. I love my wild raccoons, and each year they bring me their babies. I couldn't do that once, let alone just try to not make a habit of it. So if drinking python poo or abusing an animal were a sin you could easily say, I couldn't do that even once. Why? It is not in my nature.

But possibly you are thinking more in the line of sexual sins. The reason Jesus and the apostles spoke of those the most, and doesn't make a big deal about wanting to eat python poo is because with sex "what's not to like." So they said that each person should have their own spouse, but to remain inside that boundary. Just ask a normal wife who is in love with you if adultery is okay if you just don't make a practice of it? So ask yourself, what are you doing to the heart of your loved one? And what are we doing to the heart of God.