Proof US election is rigged - Vote shaving software discovered

[MrSpikey]

I had a little time to waste earlier, and as it touches on a couple of my favourite subjects, I gave this a watch.

Is this rogue program totally subverting democracy as we know it?

That's an easy one - no.

The program wasn't written to deal with any US elections specifically - it's generic voting software, and can be set up to do all kinds of things such as weighting votes by identity, recording who cast which vote, etc. which wouldn't be allowed in your elections.

The video spent a lot of time showing that is was possible to do these things, but didn't provide any evidence that these things have happened. Indeed, the blackboxvoting site outright lies on this subject:

"Instead of “1” the vote is allowed to be 1/2, or 1+7/8, or any other value that is not a whole number."

The value is stored as a decimal, but whole numbers can be represented accurately as decimals, so this is false.

In the demonstrations shown in the video, the system parameters have been set up to allow weighted voting and show the fractional results. The implication is that this setup could be used. That doesn't mean that this setup has been or will be used in an election.

To summarize the above for the technically confused - the software could be setup to allow voter fraud. No evidence is provided that this has been done. Equally, with paper ballots, someone could stuff the ballot box with votes for a favoured candidate before the polls open. To ensure a fair election in either case, physical restrictions on the setup and operation of the polls are required to ensure such situations don't occur.

The other main point they made is that election results can be changed. They went around the houses a fair bit with this one, but the point is - if one has access to the databases that contain the results, the results can be changed. Again, no evidence was presented that this has been done. Similarly, if someone who wishes to alter results to their favour in a paper ballot, all they would need is physical access to the ballot boxes to do so. Once more, physical restrictions on the setup and operation of the polls are required to ensure such situations don't occur.

The TL;DR summary - whatever format is used to record the votes, sufficient procedures must be in place to ensure that individuals with an agenda aren't offered the opportunity to adjust them by physically interfering them, before, during or after the polls.

I'm happy to address any specific issues with anything raised in the video, if anyone has questions.

(although if it's along the lines of "[large group of people] have been planning to subvert the process, so of course it is happening", I probably won't. I can't prove they haven't, but more importantly, you can't prove they have)

 

[LostMarbels]

Gotta love it.... here on the political forum, in a post about election fraud were debating fluoride in the water.

Just a little bit of diversion ya think?

 

[MrSpikey]

In reality, I know it'll never happen.

I've obviously read too much sci-fi, or maybe just have too vivid an imagination.

But...,.

Should I ever find myself in a situation where I'm confronted with a rogue computer aiming to destroy me, and the only way I can stop that from happening is to provide it with a contradiction such that it shuts down (probably with lots of explosions, obviously) due to being unable to logically process the pair of incompatible statements I've forced it to consider - I think I've finally decided what those statements will be.

I'm not a Denialist or Conspiracy Theorist. I'm an intelligent and educated person who knows history so I'm smart enough to know not to trust everything I hear from government and big corporations.

Alex Jones is a highly reputable and respected journalist who documents all his stories with facts.

 

[pat34lee]

My wife grew up in a small town whose artesian well water supply was extremely high in natural fluoride. If it were not for the nearby air base the local dentists would have been nearly out of work. My wife is nearly 70 and has had three tiny cavities in her entire life.

How many types of fluoride are added
to water supplies?

Are they all the same?

 

[pat34lee]

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[MrSpikey]

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I'm more of a semicolon kind of guy, but at least we can agree on the curly bit.

 

[LostMarbels]

I just want to put it out there that I was a Reclaim Water Technician for Woodard & Curran: Water Conserv II Distribution Center. It is the largest water reclamation facility of it's type in the world. Part of my jobs was to test, monitor, and record water quality before it was released into a rapid infiltration basins to be returned to the aquifer, or to be used for agricultural purposes. I had to test the TSS, TDS, turbidity, and assure the water passed FDEP standards. I am still SCBA, confined spaces certified, and have a class B CDL hazmat license with tanker.

My normal job for the most part is carrying class 1.4 explosives, class 3 diesel, gas, and oil for a fireworks company I work for. However, if I was to haul fluoride, my ERG tells me I would need this bad boy class 6.1 placard on my truck.

Lets see... It is health 3, fire 0, and reactive 0. It has a inhalation hazard, so I would have to have my puffer mask (full face escape respirator) to get out of dodge if an incident happens while driving.

PPE in Case of a Large Spill: Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE handling this product.

Ok, the MDS:

Routes of Entry: Inhalation. Ingestion.

Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 52 mg/kg [Rat].

Chronic Effects on Humans: CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: A4 (Not classifiable for human or animal.) by ACGIH, 3 (Not classifiable for human.) by IARC.

MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. May cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, lungs, the nervous system, heart, gastrointestinal tract, cardiovascular system, bones, teeth.

Other Toxic Effects on Humans:Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (corrosive), of ingestion, of inhalation. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive).

Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Lowest Published Lethal Dose: LDL [Human] - Route: Oral; Dose: 71 mg/kg LDL [Woman] - Route: Oral; Dose: 90 mg/kg LDL [Woman] -

Route: Oral; Dose: 360 mg/kg LDL [Mouse] - Route: Skinl; Dose: 300 mg/kg

Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: May cause adverse reproductive effects (fertililty, fetoxicity), and birth defects based on animal data. May cause cancer based on animal data. May cause genetic (mutagenic) and tumorigenic effects.


Pretty nasty stuff.... It is also interesting to note, right there on a toothpaste tube it states: KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN. If more than used for brushing is swallowed, get medical attention, or call poison control immediately.


So... why is it in bottled water marketed for newborn babies?

Hers is a little factoid for you: fluoride is so toxic it is considered hazardous waste when disposed of. Yum... does baby right.

 

[[serious]]

I just want to put it out there that I was a Reclaim Water Technician for Woodard & Curran: Water Conserv II Distribution Center. It is the largest water reclamation facility of it's type in the world. Part of my jobs was to test, monitor, and record water quality before it was released into a rapid infiltration basins to be returned to the aquifer, or to be used for agricultural purposes. I had to test the TSS, TDS, turbidity, and assure the water passed FDEP standards. I am still SCBA, confined spaces certified, and have a class B CDL hazmat license with tanker.

My normal job for the most part is carrying class 1.4 explosives, class 3 diesel, gas, and oil for a fireworks company I work for. However, if I was to haul fluoride, my ERG tells me I would need this bad boy class 6.1 placard on my truck.

Lets see... It is health 3, fire 0, and reactive 0. It has a inhalation hazard, so I would have to have my puffer mask (full face escape respirator) to get out of dodge if an incident happens while driving.

PPE in Case of a Large Spill: Splash goggles. Full suit. Dust respirator. Boots. Gloves. A self contained breathing apparatus should be used to avoid inhalation of the product. Suggested protective clothing might not be sufficient; consult a specialist BEFORE handling this product.

Ok, the MDS:

Routes of Entry: Inhalation. Ingestion.

Toxicity to Animals: Acute oral toxicity (LD50): 52 mg/kg [Rat].

Chronic Effects on Humans: CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: A4 (Not classifiable for human or animal.) by ACGIH, 3 (Not classifiable for human.) by IARC.

MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. May cause damage to the following organs: kidneys, lungs, the nervous system, heart, gastrointestinal tract, cardiovascular system, bones, teeth.

Other Toxic Effects on Humans:Hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (corrosive), of ingestion, of inhalation. Slightly hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive).

Special Remarks on Toxicity to Animals: Lowest Published Lethal Dose: LDL [Human] - Route: Oral; Dose: 71 mg/kg LDL [Woman] - Route: Oral; Dose: 90 mg/kg LDL [Woman] -

Route: Oral; Dose: 360 mg/kg LDL [Mouse] - Route: Skinl; Dose: 300 mg/kg

Special Remarks on Chronic Effects on Humans: May cause adverse reproductive effects (fertililty, fetoxicity), and birth defects based on animal data. May cause cancer based on animal data. May cause genetic (mutagenic) and tumorigenic effects.


Pretty nasty stuff.... It is also interesting to note, right there on a toothpaste tube it states: KEEP OUT OF THE REACH OF CHILDREN. If more than used for brushing is swallowed, get medical attention, or call poison control immediately.


So... why is it in bottled water marketed for newborn babies?

Hers is a little factoid for you: fluoride is so toxic it is considered hazardous waste when disposed of. Yum... does baby right.

So, flouride is toxic at 52 mg/kg. That means if I have 4.5 grams of fluoride, I'm going to be hurting. I better not drink 1500 gallons of tap water a day.

Seriously, the fluoride in tap water is pretty small. There is actually more fluoride in wine than tap water.

 

[LostMarbels]

The real problem is the ability to metabolise and body weight of the person consuming it. This is a scientific study of fluorinated foods made with tap water. This example is ready mix baby food.

When you add the fluoridated water

You come to a whopping 329 mcg. Then maybe they want a juice box. It his is yet another 180 mcg totaling 509 mcg in just one meal and a juice box.

Now throughout the day as this baby feeds on formula, juice boxes, or juice in bottles, water, and other foods, the dosage continues to rise and can get up wards of 3500 mcg. That's 3.5 mg. Ah no biggie right, but now you have to figure the size of the child. A toddle weighs what? 20 to 25 lbs? They take a much larger dosages. There is also a cumulative dosing effect. Since you are continuously introducing more fluoride each and every time the child consumes something there is no way of cleaning out the system.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Trump suspected it but now there is proof. The software found can allocate votes to Hillary to make sure she wins.

http://www.infowars.com/biggest-ele...discovered-in-the-united-states-breaking-now/

Everyone should still go out and vote for Trump. If Hillary wins because she rigged the election and enough patriots protest, there can be an independent investigation to get the results overturned.

It doesnt matter who wins next tuesday, there will be a recount, thats my bet.

 

[cow451]

Gotta love it.... here on the political forum, in a post about election fraud were debating fluoride in the water.

Just a little bit of diversion ya think?

 

[LostMarbels]

It doesnt matter who wins next tuesday, there will be a recount, thats my bet.

I think the biggest issue is there is no accountability in the system. We should have some sort receipt, or something to record your vote. I mean come on.... I have to put a code sent on my phone to log onto a facebook account I have had for years. Why can't I get a text code to go online and only acess my vote, and print it for proof or something.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

I think the biggest issue is there is no accountability in the system. We should have some sort receipt, or something to record your vote. I mean come on.... I have to put a code sent on my phone to log onto a facebook account I have had for years. Why can't I get a text code to go online and only acess my vote, and print it for proof or something.

If you are not a part of the political party that dominates the state, you vote doesn't matter much anyhow, since the political party who controls the state controls the electors in the electoral college I believe. The electoral college is a great idea, but the idea of political parties were never thought of with its creation. It is the political parties that ruin the system, not the system itself IMHO.

 

[pat34lee]

Seriously, the fluoride in tap water is pretty small. There is actually more fluoride in wine than tap water.

Exactly. And there is fluoride in tea, in most
vegetables and fruits, in the water you bathe
in, wash your clothes in, swim in, etc.

Now how much fluoride are you drinking,
eating and absorbing daily? Not to mention
other chemicals which are also dangerous
alone or additive to the fluoride. Add what
is in your toothpaste and mouthwash. Even
children's toothpaste can poison kids.

http://kidemergencies.com/toothpasteingestion.html

 

[MrSpikey]

I think the biggest issue is there is no accountability in the system. We should have some sort receipt, or something to record your vote. I mean come on.... I have to put a code sent on my phone to log onto a facebook account I have had for years. Why can't I get a text code to go online and only acess my vote, and print it for proof or something.

To do that, your vote would have to be recorded as being cast by you. All anonymity would be lost.

You may be prepared to make that compromise under a system where you suspect the government is directing the election.

Should you ever end up under a system where the government is actually directing the election, you may come to regret that choice.

 

[LostMarbels]

To do that, your vote would have to be recorded as being cast by you. All anonymity would be lost.

You may be prepared to make that compromise under a system where you suspect the government is directing the election.

Should you ever end up under a system where the government is actually directing the election, you may come to regret that choice.

No, you would only have to have a verifiable ID# on the ballot cast and the copy. Your ifo is already "registered". It's already there. But you can still retain anonymity by requiring only the ID#, and not personal info.

 

[LostMarbels]

Also, to say votes aren't stored is false. They are public record in most states. If not all.

http://dos.myflorida.com/elections/...tration/voter-information-as-a-public-record/

Voter Information as a Public Record
Voter registration information is public record in Florida with a few exceptions. Information such as your social security number, driver’s license number, and the source of your voter registration application cannot be released or disclosed to the public under any circumstances. Your signature can be viewed, but not copied. Other information such as your name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, and when you voted is public information.

Your voter registration information may not be publicly disclosed or made available, provided:

1. You are or become a participant in the Attorney General’s Address Confidentiality Program for victims of domestic violence and stalking. See section 97.0585(3) and sections 741.401-741.465, Florida Statutes. Contact the Attorney General’s Office’s Bureau of Advocacy and Grants Management at 850.414.3300 for instructions on how to become a participant.
   
   
2. You submit a written request to each agency that may have your information such as your address, photo, and date of birth. However, you must fall within one of the statutorily designated classes of high-risk professionals. Please refer to the Public Records Exemption Request form and follow instructions to submit the completed form to the Florida Department of State.

Public information can find its way onto the Internet or websites by individuals or entities that obtain public records from the State. Once information is in the public domain, you will need to contact the owner or administrator of third-party sites in order to get the information removed.

 

[MrSpikey]

(Sorry, replied in the wrong thread. I was moving it, but LM replied, so I'll now leave it here(

No, you would only have to have a verifiable ID# on the ballot cast and the copy. Your ifo is already "registered". It's already there. But you can still retain anonymity by requiring only the ID#, and not personal info.

If you want to access your record online, that information has been moved from where it was collected to a central server. Normally, along that way from the polling station, that data is at least partially anonymized, varying between made completely anonymous or recording the fact that you voted (while not recording the actual vote).

You are arguing for the link between you and your vote to be completely maintained all the way through until the point it ends up as a statistic on a government website. Be careful what you wish for.

 

[MrSpikey]

The act of voting can be recorded on the public record. The actual vote itself is not. From your own quote:

Voter registration information is public record in Florida with a few exceptions. Information such as your social security number, driver’s license number, and the source of your voter registration application cannot be released or disclosed to the public under any circumstances. Your signature can be viewed, but not copied. Other information such as your name, address, date of birth, party affiliation, and when you voted is public information.

 

[LostMarbels]

@MrSpikey That info, and or link already exists. I'm only looking for a way to prove the vote cast.