Proof: The Temple Mount is Not @ Dome of the Rock

[LittleLambofJesus]

As for me, LittleLamb of Jesus, It is like all traditions that become as if they are the “WORD”.
How long after the rapture that will take I do not know, but I know the last seven years of it begins with the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, preaching in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years, then killed, and so on...

Hello. Many traditions within Christianity floating around.

The last seven years, imho, happend during the 7 years of the Jewish wars, culmination in the siege and conquering of Masada in 73ad.......[I show 2 utube vids of both of those historical Jewish events]

[Please visit my "rumors of wars........" thread:]

"Ye will hear of battles and rumors of battles" 1st century Judea

Matthew 24:6 “Yet ye shall be being about to be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled<2360>, for is binding to becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Mark 13:7 “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and hearings of battles, be seeing! be not be being troubled for is binding to be becoming,
but not as yet the End<5056>
Luke 21:9 “Yet whenever ye should be hearing battles and tumults<181>, no may be being frightened<4422>, for is binding these to be becoming,
but not immediately the End<5056>

A good site that shows maps and info on the great Jewish War/Rebellion in the 1st century:

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html

CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70

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My thread on the siege of Masada in 70ad.......

The fortress at Masada in Israel

I really had not studied on Masada much until I watched a video of it from a person who had made 4 videos of 70ad Jerusalem.

It has been mentioned that a lot of Christian Jews had fled Jerusalem when they had heard reports of the Roman campaign against Jewish rebel cities and making their way to the City. The City most often mentioned the Christian Jews fled to was Pella.

But a group of Jewish Zealots fled to Masada, the final Jewish fortress stronghold left.

Masada - Bible History Online

Decades after Jesus’ death, Zealots engineered a revolt against Rome. The uprising was brutally stamped out and ended with Jerusalem’s destruction in 70 AD.
Survivors fled to Masada, a fortress built by Herod near the Dead Sea. Today, the excavated remains of Masada have become a national symbol for all Israelis.

Here 900 Zealots held out until the year 73. Then, the inevitable day came when 15,000 Roman troops breached its walls. Since it was late in the day, the Romans delayed the final attack until dawn. That night the survivors met and voted for suicide, rather than for capture...................

At dawn, the Romans poured through the breached walls. Fires burned quietly everywhere. A ghostly stillness hung over the air. Finally, 2 old women and 3 small children came out of hiding to tell the story. The contemporary Jewish historian Josephus concludes his report of Masada with these striking words:

"When the Romans saw the mass of slain, they were unable to take pleasure in the sight, even though the people were their enemies." -Jewish Wars FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS

The tragedy at Masada and the destruction of Jerusalem was the inevitable outcome that the Jewish leaders and their followers would face for the tragedy of all tragedies when they forced the hand of Pilate to order the crucifixion of their Messiah.

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What I like about this vid is that it gives a summary of the entire events from the start of the Jewish wars in 63ad.

Look at what the Romans had to engineer in order to scale the walls!!!

They had to almost literally build a small mountain!

How many mountain fortresses did the Jews have in the 1st century
When I did a google search asking that, it took me to Masada.
Masada means fortress. 70ad Jerusalem was also considered a fortress.
Masada - Wikipedia
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I understand that all inductees into the modern Israeli army take their oath in Fortress Masada.

Herod the Great built palaces and fortresses in the Dead Sea area. Jesus Christ Superstar was filmed in the area between Advat National Park and Masada National Park in Israel. Herod the Great built much structures in this area...

No. Only how the Jews would be conquered and the survivors enslaved. Luke 21:20-24
You mentioned other fortresses; the others built by Herod were the Herodium, near Bethlehem where he was buried and Machaerus, on the eastern side of the Dead Sea; now in Jordanian territory. I have been there.

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[ebedmelech]

As for me, LittleLamb of Jesus, It is like all traditions that become as if they are the “WORD”. There are many myths that those not yet saved - or saved Jews, and saved Gentile Believers in Jesus have adopted. Anyone with a heart to know can do their own research in these days, for that is easy to do with all the libraries in the world, almost, accessible at a click of a mouse.
There will be temple built again in Jerusalem, but not on the current site that the dome of the rock sits, and that temple plan is described in the DSS, and has not yet been built, and will be. It is not like Solomon’s temple and it is not like the millennial temple that Ezekiel describes.
When the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled = are gathered in the first fruits harvest, then the nation of Israel will be dealt with and they will go through tribulation, and they will all return to Jesus their Messiah/God come in flesh.
How long after the rapture that will take I do not know, but I know the last seven years of it begins with the two witnesses, Moses and Elijah, preaching in the streets of Jerusalem for three and a half years, then killed, and so on...

Just no! This is terrible eschatology! Even if the Jews build another temple, it's an exercise in futility. All one has to do is read Hebrew 9 & 10. God will not honor any temple since Christ fulfills the temple.
Hallelujah and Amen!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yeshuasavedme said: ↑
As for me, LittleLamb of Jesus, It is like all traditions that become as if they are the “WORD”.
There will be temple built again in Jerusalem, but not on the current site that the dome of the rock sits, and that temple plan is described in the DSS, and has not yet been built, and will be. It is not like Solomon’s temple and it is not like the millennial temple that Ezekiel describes.

If God allows if of course.............
How many other times in the past has a Temple attemted to be built.......

Just no! This is terrible eschatology! Even if the Jews build another temple, it's an exercise in futility. All one has to do is read Hebrew 9 & 10. God will not honor any temple since Christ fulfills the temple.
Hallelujah and Amen!!!

Agree..........

Why There Will Be No Third Temple!!!

This being Passover, I feel this is the perfect time to focus on why just as Jesus fulfilled the Passover, He fulfilled the temple too!

Many that hold that there will be a 3rd temple are hard pressed to justify that from scripture.

They lean quite heavily on Ezekiel 40-48. A temple that is in a vision to Ezekiel, in which Ezekiel is escorted by "a man" with a rod.

When it comes to the NT the temple fades away. This starts with Jesus declaring Himself to be the temple. Jesus makes this declaration in Matthew 12:6 as He confronts the Phariseees:
6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.

Jesus is greater than the temple because every sacrifice offered at this temple pointed to Him!!! Hebrews 9:11, 12 makes this point:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

Jesus is the perfect tabernacle/templenot of this creation&#8221;, and through His own blood, He entered the holy place &#8220;ONCE AND FOR ALLobtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION.

Notice the finality in once and for this means there will be no more! So what use is a third temple??? It has no use!!!

Jesus also called Himself the temple in John 2:19:
Jesus answered them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

That is sufficient to start this discussion of why there will be no third temple!!!

 

[ebedmelech]

Typically the way to "muddy up" the facts, is too use "counter scholarship" misinformation.

Actually, a huge question would be if the Dome of The Rock is not on the Temple Mount, then what keeps the Jews from building this 3rd temple...could they be sorely mistaken about the location of the temple?

This article is quite interesting:
https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/194129/scholars-debunk-times-article-on-temple-mount

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Just no! This is terrible eschatology! Even if the Jews build another temple, it's an exercise in futility. All one has to do is read Hebrew 9 & 10. God will not honor any temple since Christ fulfills the temple.
Hallelujah and Amen!!!

Now let me see: Jesus was crucified in 33 AD. The temple was not destroyed until 70 AD. Paul, a born again in Christ Hebrew, kept the law, went to the temple for the high holy Sabbaths while he was an evangelist, and so did all the born again in Christ Jews keep the law as related to the temple until the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.
And you will have to throw out the Word of God and make up a myth to claim that the Jews will not have a temple again, in Jerusalem, and keep the law as Moses taught, until the tribulation is ended.
Then, you have to completely throw out Ezekiel’s temple, for when Israel is restored at the beginning of the Sabbath millennium, there is a temple in Jerusalem that all gentile nations must send their representatives to on the three holy Sabbaths in the Jewish feasts, or else their nation will get no rain, as the prophet states.
Zechariah chapter 8 -14 certainly lays the restoration of Israel out....
Just before His ascension, the disciples asked Jesus, “LORD, will you at this time (when He sends the Holy Ghost of Power upon them) restore the kingdom of Israel?
Says Jesus: “It is not for you to know the times of seasons the Father has put in His own authority”.
But you shall receive Power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and to the ends of the earth”.

 

[ebedmelech]

Now let me see: Jesus was crucified in 33 AD. The temple was not destroyed until 70 AD. Paul, a born again in Christ Hebrew, kept the law, went to the temple for the high holy Sabbaths while he was an evangelist, and so did all the born again in Christ Jews keep the law as related to the temple until the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

No. Paul never kept the law after being saved. The book of Galatians spells that out empahtically!

And you will have to throw out the Word of God and make up a myth to claim that the Jews will not have a temple again, in Jerusalem, and keep the law as Moses taught, until the tribulation is ended.

What I said is if the Jews build a temple God will not honor it. Hebrews 9 & 10 point that out emphatically.

Then, you have to completely throw out Ezekiel’s temple, for when Israel is restored at the beginning of the Sabbath millennium, there is a temple in Jerusalem that all gentile nations must send their representatives to on the three holy Sabbaths in the Jewish feasts, or else their nation will get no rain, as the prophet states.

Ezekiel's temple was never built because Israel never repented, (Remember as Ezekiel writes they're in exile). Ezekiel never revealed it as Ezekiel 43:10-12 spells out:
10 “As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the plan.
11 If they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the house, its structure, its exits, its entrances, all its designs, all its statutes, and all its laws. And write it in their sight, so that they may observe its whole design and all its statutes and do them.
12 This is the law of the house: its entire area on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.
Show me where "the house of Israel" repented please...because if they did, that temple would have been built.

Zechariah chapter 8 -14 certainly lays the restoration of Israel out....

Really? Let's look at Zechariah 13:7:
“Awake, O sword, against My Shepherd, And against the man, My Associate,” Declares the Lord of hosts. “Strike the Shepherd that the sheep may be scattered; And I will turn My hand against the little ones.

Now...Jesus quoted that at Matthew 23:31 as a fulfillment before going to the cross. I believe you have no clue what Zechariah 8-14 is really about. (No offense intended)

Just before His ascension, the disciples asked Jesus, “LORD, will you at this time (when He sends the Holy Ghost of Power upon them) restore the kingdom of Israel?
Says Jesus: “It is not for you to know the times of seasons the Father has put in His own authority”.
But you shall receive Power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and to the ends of the earth”.

You do notice not one apostle wrote about temple restoration, nor did Jesus ever speak about temple restoration? Also you do realize what Paul says in Romans 9:6-8 as well as Ephesians 2:19-22?
Keep waiting on the restoration of Israel. I will tell you what Paul told the Galatians..."the Jerusalem above is free...she is our mother."

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Galatians tells those who think that by keeping Moses that they add unto salvation in Christ, but Paul knew the oracles were YHWH’s “Show and Tell” about the Person and work of the LORD Jesus Christ. The nation of Israel took an oath to keep those oracles forever, until all is fulfilled, at Sinai.
Paul said he was keeping Pentecost at the temple in Jerusalem on at least two occasions, once in Acts and once in Corinthians.
Paul said if you are called into Christ (born again) while in circumcision (under the Law of Moses), then remain, and if you are called into Christ not in circumcision (not keeping nor in the Law of Moses -which means born again Gentiles- and born again Jews who were not walking in the righteousness of the Law -which does not save, but points to Salvation, and to all the works Yeshua would do for our Salvation) to not come under circumcision, under the Law, but to remain as you were called.
But even Paul circumcised Timothy with his very own born again in Christ hands before taking Timothy with him on his journey to visit the Gentile churches with the letter from the Council of Apostles in Jerusalem that told them that they were not to keep Moses.
Paul was blameless as to the Law of Moses until the day he died.
And FYI: Jesus comes back to earth dressed in the Garment of Salvation (His New Creation body), as Revelation 19 states, and wears the garments of High Priest of earth which Aaron and his sons donned as types and who served in the office of Christ after they were anointed to serve in the office of Messiah, as high priest, until He should come who will never die, and takes His throne over earth.
Jesus comes to reign for a thousand years from heaven above and Jerusalem, Israel below over all earth and which city and nation are named after His own name.
there will be a temple in that time, as there is a temple in heaven (which temple is set in the sun, as Scripture states, in the original and in several translations), there will be a temple on earth for a thousand year Sabbath.
But in that temple, there will not ever be an Ark of the Covenant, for that is fulfilled once, for all, and all will be walking in His name in that time.
There will be memorial Pentecost services, but not first of first fruits gathering and offering, for that is fulfilled...
Zechariah 9, I think it is, tells how the fasts will be celebrated as feasts of joyful remembrance, in the millennial reign, in Israel; and in Zec. 14, all the nations will come up to Jerusalem (their family representatives), on the holy Feast of Tabernacles and if they do not come up to Jerusalem, Israel, then Their nation will get no rain on their nation for that year.

 

[ebedmelech]

Galatians tells those who think that by keeping Moses that they add unto salvation in Christ, but Paul knew the oracles were YHWH’s “Show and Tell” about the Person and work of the LORD Jesus Christ. The nation of Israel took an oath to keep those oracles forever, until all is fulfilled, at Sinai.

This is so false and misguiding as to what Galatians is about, it's mystifying that you could read Galatians and come away thinking that. Paul preached the gospel...and Judaizers (Jews in bondage to the "Law of Moses"), would come behind him trying to convince Gentiles converted to Christ that they had to be circumcised. The was the subject of Acts 15!

Paul said he was keeping Pentecost at the temple in Jerusalem on at least two occasions, once in Acts and once in Corinthians.

Paul never said he was "keeping Pentecost". He used Pentecost as an opportunity to preach the gospel to his Jewish people, just as everywhere he went he went to the synagogue first to share the Gospel with the Jews. When you find a verse saying Paul was going to "keep Pentecost", please share that.

Paul said if you are called into Christ (born again) while in circumcision (under the Law of Moses), then remain, and if you are called into Christ not in circumcision (not keeping nor in the Law of Moses -which means born again Gentiles- and born again Jews who were not walking in the righteousness of the Law -which does not save, but points to Salvation, and to all the works Yeshua would do for our Salvation) to not come under circumcision, under the Law, but to remain as you were called.

Paul also said this in Galatians 6:12-13:
12 Those who desire to make a good showing in the flesh try to compel you to be circumcised, simply so that they will not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.
13 For those who are circumcised do not even keep the Law themselves, but they desire to have you circumcised so that they may boast in your flesh.

Why do you not include that?

But even Paul circumcised Timothy with his very own born again in Christ hands before taking Timothy with him on his journey to visit the Gentile churches with the letter from the Council of Apostles in Jerusalem that told them that they were not to keep Moses.

...and now...the rest of the story, which is in Acts 16. The reason Paul circumcised Timothy was to pacify the Jews who knew Timothy's father was Greek...Acts 16:1-3:
Paul came also to Derbe and to Lystra. And a disciple was there, named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but his father was a Greek,
2 and he was well spoken of by the brethren who were in Lystra and Iconium.
3 Paul wanted this man to go with him; and he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in those parts, for they all knew that his father was a Greek.

Now...contrast that to what Paul did when the Jews wanted him to circumcise Titus, which he talked about to the Galatians at Galatians 2:3-5:
3 But not even Titus, who was with me, though he was a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
4 But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.
5 But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
You get it yeshuasavedme? In one instance Paul circumcised Timothy to not offend the Jews so it wouldn't hinder his preaching the gospel...NOT to keep the Law. It was a calculation he made to have an opportunity to share Christ.

In the instance of Titus; Jews were insisting Titus be circumcised to keep the Law...and Paul refused because he knew keeping the Law added nothing to Titus, and if he did circumcise Titus he was adding works of the Law to salvation!

Paul was blameless as to the Law of Moses until the day he died.

Are we talking about the same Paul??? Who said this in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23:
19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more.
20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;
21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some.
23 I do all things for the sake of the gospel, so that I may become a fellow partaker of it.

Is that the same Paul?

The rest I'll deal with later...it's time for bed.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The post above by ebedmelech is filled with twistings of what Paul said, so much so that it would take just lots of NT Scriptures to refute them.
Paul was careful to not offend the Jews, and so he made sure Timothy, a half Jew, who was a believer in Christ, was circumcised before Paul took him on a mission trip to deliver to the Gentiles the letter assuring them that no Apostle in the council in Jerusalem believed Gentiles had to be circumcised (keep Moses). Timothy was a Jew, not circumcised. Timothy was brought up to know the LAw, but his circumcision was neglected. Paul was accused by the Jewsof not keeping Moses. Paul assured them he was blameless concerning the Law. To be blameless means that he kept Moses.
Keeping Moses Law is a covenant Israel made for all their descendants at Sinai. It is binding upon Jews because of their fathers’ oath at Sinai. But the Law did not save them, but showed the way of Salvation which was to come. The Law was committed to them as the living Oracles.
The sin of the Judaising Jews is they made the Law the be all end all, but Paul said Christ is the Goal of the Law. Those who have come to the Goal as Jews do not abandon Moses, but are fulfilled in the Atonement which is once, for all, for whosoever believes.
As to people like Ebedmelech, they want to Gentilize believing Jews. Paul was having none of it either way.
So we have Gentilizers to the Jews, and Judaizers to the Gentiles. Both are equally repugnant to Paul, because they are both done in blindness to the Message of the Teaching/Torah, about the Person and work of the Messiah.
Messiah, the Firstborn and High Priest forever, the Everlasting Father, is the Light to the Gentiles, and blindness to both Judaizers and Gentilizers.
Paul wrote to remain in Moses (circumcision) if you come into Christ in the circumcision, and to NOT be circumcised (take up Moses) if you come into Christ not in the circumcision.

 

[ebedmelech]

The post above by ebedmelech is filled with twistings of what Paul said, so much so that it would take just lots of NT Scriptures to refute them.
Paul was careful to not offend the Jews, and so he made sure Timothy, a half Jew, who was a believer in Christ, was circumcised before Paul took him on a mission trip to deliver to the Gentiles the letter assuring them that no Apostle in the council in Jerusalem believed Gentiles had to be circumcised (keep Moses). Timothy was a Jew, not circumcised. Timothy was brought up to know the LAw, but his circumcision was neglected. Paul was accused by the Jewsof not keeping Moses. Paul assured them he was blameless concerning the Law. To be blameless means that he kept Moses.
Keeping Moses Law is a covenant Israel made for all their descendants at Sinai. It is binding upon Jews because of their fathers’ oath at Sinai. But the Law did not save them, but showed the way of Salvation which was to come. The Law was committed to them as the living Oracles.
The sin of the Judaising Jews is they made the Law the be all end all, but Paul said Christ is the Goal of the Law. Those who have come to the Goal as Jews do not abandon Moses, but are fulfilled in the Atonement which is once, for all, for whosoever believes.
As to people like Ebedmelech, they want to Gentilize believing Jews. Paul was having none of it either way.
So we have Gentilizers to the Jews, and Judaizers to the Gentiles. Both are equally repugnant to Paul, because they are both done in blindness to the Message of the Teaching/Torah, about the Person and work of the Messiah.
Messiah, the Firstborn and High Priest forever, the Everlasting Father, is the Light to the Gentiles, and blindness to both Judaizers and Gentilizers.
Paul wrote to remain in Moses (circumcision) if you come into Christ in the circumcision, and to NOT be circumcised (take up Moses) if you come into Christ not in the circumcision.

Yeshuasavedme, you're the twister. All those following this thread need do is go to the scriptures I shared in my post.

Meantime...all you have to do is find one passage where Paul tells people to follow the OT Law but you won't because it doesn't exist.

When Jesus walked this earth He observed the Law because that was His mission, to perfectly fulfill the Law. Upon doing that He became the Passover Lamb, which fulfilled what the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were looking to...Christ!

Now...as to "Gentilizing" Jews...that's far from what I wish to do. If anyone wants to observe the Laws of the OT, thats their business. Just don't try to get me to do so because I stand in the freedom that Christ gave me in the New Covenant.

Lastly. It was Paul who said " In Christ, neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision anything."

I take that to the bank!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeshuasavedme, you're the twister. All those following this thread need do is go to the scriptures I shared in my post.
Now...as to "Gentilizing" Jews...that's far from what I wish to do. If anyone wants to observe the Laws of the OT, thats their business. Just don't try to get me to do so because I stand in the freedom that Christ gave me in the New Covenant.
Lastly. It was Paul who said " In Christ, neither is circumcision anything nor is circumcision anything."
I take that to the bank!

Do Gentile Christian have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, practice circumcision, not eat pork..........
A Jew that is already circumcised of the flesh cannot put the skin back on and again be uncircumcised.......
A few interesting "Law" threads:

if you observe Circumc*sion, Christ will profit you nothing.

Tiredknight said: ↑
well then I am screwed because I am circumcised... But not under my will.

Circumcision now a days is totally different then when it was in bible days.

I also feel there is the skipped part where paul is arguing that the gentiles are circumcised of the heart because of all the gentiles accepting Christ.

if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing.
if you observe Sabbath, Christ will profit you nothing. (2)

MoreCoffee said: ↑
Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
(Galatians 5:1-4)
The above scripture carries a message that is true; everybody who seeks to be justified by obeying the law has fallen from grace. This applies just as much to the one who seeks to gain God's favour by observing the 7th day as Sabbath in the belief that by so doing he/she shows themselves to be loyal followers of God and among those who "keep the commandments". One cannot be justified by works of the law.

If you do not eat pork, Christ will profit you nothing

Fath without bacon is dead faith.

[/quote]Rev Randy said: ↑
Deviled ham?[/quote]

Time for breakfast.
Ham and eggs?
Bacon and eggs?
Sausage and eggs?
Decisions, decisions!

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Little Lamb, Paul said Gentiles who are called/come into Christ are NOT to come under the Law/Teaching/Torah. So did the Council of Apostles in Jerusalem settle it, and wrote the letter to the Gentile Churches freeing them from that bondage.
Paul delivered the letter. Paul took Timothy with him. Paul circumcised Timothy first, before taking him.
Paul stated it again to the Corinthians: remain in Moses if called in Christ and do NOT come into/under circumcision if called in Christ.
Gentilizing the Jews is as serious an error as Judaising the Gentiles. Paul makes it plain.

 

[parousia70]

Paul stated it again to the Corinthians: remain in Moses if called in Christ and do NOT come into/under circumcision if called in Christ.
Gentilizing the Jews is as serious an error as Judaising the Gentiles. Paul makes it plain.

And How does a Christian-Jew today "remain in Moses" exactly?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And How does a Christian-Jew today "remain in Moses" exactly?

Exactly the same way the early Jewish Believers who came into Christ did, like Paul and the Apostles in Jerusalem.
Acts 15
15 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question....

[e]“Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from [f]sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
The Jerusalem Decree

22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[g] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:

The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,

To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, [h]saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

Farewell.
Continuing Ministry in Syria

30 So when they were sent off, they came to Antioch; and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the letter. 31 When they had read it, they rejoiced over its encouragement. 32 Now Judas and Silas, themselves being prophets also, exhorted and strengthened the brethren with many words. 33 And after they had stayed there for a time, they were sent back with greetings from the brethren to [k]the apostles.

 

[parousia70]

Exactly the same way the early Jewish Believers who came into Christ did, like Paul and the Apostles in Jerusalem.

EXACTLY the same way?

Are you sure?

Your scriptural references don't support that contention at all.

Paul and James men kept vows and even gave blood sacrifices in Acts 21:18-26 as was their custom to be zealous for the Law (Acts 21:20):

18 On the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 When he had greeted them, he told in detail those things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many myriads of Jews there are who have believed, and they are all zealous for the law; 21 but they have been informed about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What then? The assembly must certainly meet, for they will hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do what we tell you: We have four men who have taken a vow. 24 Take them and be purified with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads, and that all may know that those things of which they were informed concerning you are nothing, but that you yourself also walk orderly and keep the law. 25 But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.”26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, having been purified with them, entered the temple to announce the expiration of the days of purification, at which time an offering should be made for each one of them.

It says above that Jewish Christians must continue in sacrifices, circumcision and indeed ALL the requirements of the Mosaic Law, (of which there are over 600) while Gentile Christians should "Observe no such thing" and instead had only a few legal requirements to follow...

Surely you are aware that Nearly 1/2 of the Law of Moses required a Temple and legitimate Levitical priests just in order to observe the Law, right?

As you eluded to, It is EXPLICITLY TESTIFIED in scripture that The Old Covenant practices including blood sacrifices, vows, and feasts continued right on in Israel until AD 70. (long after the Temple Veil was Rent, and REPAIRED)

AND, the early Jerusalem Church continued to observe Moses in all ways all through the book of Acts since only the gentiles were permitted to by-pass the Laws of Moses.

So Back to my original question:
How does a Christian-Jew today "remain in Moses" exactly?
Scripture shows how Paul & James' men "remained"....Can you name one Jewish Christian Today who keeps even HALF of what Paul & James and their men Kept?

Or perhaps you have a much more "free and loose" definition of "Exactly the same way" than I do?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The NT supports that Paul and the Jews who came into Christ were blameless concerning the Torah/
Teaching/Law. ...not the added requirements of the oral laws that were added that you speak of.
Paul is a born again in Christ, water baptized, tongues speaking/singing praying male Hebrew of the tribe of Benjamin. He never became a Gentile when he came into Christ, and neither did the Jews of the Church who came into Christ depart from Moses. Moses did not give 600 laws. You err.
Neither did Gentiles who came into Christ come under circumcision/Moses.
As Scripture states, the Law/Torah/Teaching was committed as living oracles only to the namesake people of the New Man name, to be a show and tell to the world of the Person and work of God who was to come, in flesh, and is come, in flesh, to not only be a Light to the Gentiles but to bring Israel back to Himself -and so, as Paul says, “All Israel will be saved when the times of the Gentiles (the Church age) is come in”=gathered into the Barn/Heaven, from whence the Seed/Christ, is come.
“You need that one teach you”, states Paul in Hebrews (I believe he wrote Hebrews, as early Church stated) “which be the first principles of the Law”.
The Law was never “Salvation”, but always pointed the Way to “Go in”, to heaven, “in Christ”, “the Goal/End”, of the Teaching/Torah.
The Holy Oracles were given at Sinai, and there are not 600 of them. The Hebrew nation named after Him who was to come (Israel -Isaiah 49), took a vow unbreakable forever, for them and their descendants to keep the Torah -not 600 Laws, but the ordinances that Moses wrote down...
They were God’s Show and Tell, of the Person and Work of Christ who was to come and is come -and IS coming.

 

[BABerean2]

The NT supports that Paul and the Jews who came into Christ were blameless concerning the Torah/
Teaching/Law. ...not the added requirements of the oral laws that were added that you speak of.
Paul is a born again in Christ, water baptized, tongues speaking/singing praying male Hebrew of the tribe of Benjamin. He never became a Gentile when he came into Christ, and neither did the Jews of the Church who came into Christ depart from Moses. Moses did not give 600 laws. You err.
Neither did Gentiles who came into Christ come under circumcision/Moses.
As Scripture states, the Law/Torah/Teaching was committed as living oracles only to the namesake people of the New Man name, to be a show and tell to the world of the Person and work of God who was to come, in flesh, and is come, in flesh, to not only be a Light to the Gentiles but to bring Israel back to Himself -and so, as Paul says, “All Israel will be saved when the times of the Gentiles (the Church age) is come in”=gathered into the Barn/Heaven, from whence the Seed/Christ, is come.
“You need that one teach you”, states Paul in Hebrews (I believe he wrote Hebrews, as early Church stated) “which be the first principles of the Law”.
The Law was never “Salvation”, but always pointed the Way to “Go in”, to heaven, “in Christ”, “the Goal/End”, of the Teaching/Torah.
The Holy Oracles were given at Sinai, and there are not 600 of them. The Hebrew nation named after Him who was to come (Israel -Isaiah 49), took a vow unbreakable forever, for them and their descendants to keep the Torah -not 600 Laws, but the ordinances that Moses wrote down...
They were God’s Show and Tell, of the Person and Work of Christ who was to come and is come -and IS coming.

Did Paul say in Galatians 3:16-29 the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made?

Did Paul in Galatians 4:24-31 compel the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage"?

Did King David break the commandments regarding adultery and murder?

Based on Luke 21:24-28, the times of the Gentiles comes to fullness at Christs Second Coming.
Did Paul say some people will be saved outside the New Covenant Church in Romans chapter 11?

Based on the parable of the virgins from Matthew 25:1-13, will unbelievers be saved at His Second Coming?

Based on 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, does Christ return "in flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not know Him?

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[yeshuasavedme]

Believers in the Messiah, Jesus/Yeshua, are warned not to graft themselves into circumcision/Moses.
Those who are Israel/Jacob's seed who come into Salvation in Yeshua, the Messiah are warned not to depart from the circumcision.
WHY?
Because the Living Oracles were committed only to the namesake nation as a show and tell for all the nations of the Person and work of the Seed who was to come, is come, and shall come. They took an oath at Sinai to never depart from that covenant between YHWH and themselves for all their descendants.
So some were cut off the TREE, and some of us Gentiles are grafted in, but they can be grafted back in who were cut off the Tree, and Gentiles can be cut off, who do not keep Jesus' WAY, after coming into Him.
Adopted into the one Living Spirit/Christ, Jews and Gentiles, males and females are all one as to the Spirit, but there will always be males and females and Jews and Gentiles in Christ -or out of Him, but when He comes back, all remaining on earth for the Millennial Sabbath will be in Christ, and One spirit in His Living Spirit. That is, those who are left on earth after the rapture of the Church, who come to believe in His name during the tribulation, are born into His Living Spirit at His return. That happens at the judgment of the sheep and the goats and the elect of the namesake name, which is at Mt Sinai.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

............but when He comes back, all remaining on earth for the Millennial Sabbath will be in Christ, and One spirit in His Living Spirit. That is, those who are left on earth after the rapture of the Church, who come to believe in His name during the tribulation, are born into His Living Spirit at His return. That happens at the judgment of the sheep and the goats and the elect of the namesake name, which is at Mt Sinai.

More Zionist Futurist Dispensationalist poppy [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse], which has been refuted many times on this board.......

Dispensationalism – Grace Online Library

Dispensationalism....So pervasive is its effect on those who have become its pupils, that even those who have come to see the error of its basic presuppositions testify that dispensational cobwebs have remained in their thinking for a long time after the initial sweeping took place.

The Lost Thousand Years Between Two Resurrections by Rev. Nollie Malabuyo – Grace Online Library

Conclusion
This article has sought to show that there is one general resurrection of the dead—righteous and wicked—at the end of the age when Christ returns. Inserting a period of a thousand years between the resurrection of the righteous and the resurrection of the wicked cannot be justified from Scriptures, whether from the Old Testament or the New Testament.

It is the prayer and hope of the author of this article that those who teach or believe in a future literal millennial reign of Christ on earth would look and study the texts cited above and reconsider and reevaluate their well-entrenched eschatological presuppositions developed, not from Scriptures, but from popular contemporary literature and media.

Evaluating Premillennialism: Part II – Christ’s Return and the Rapture by Cornelis P. Venema – Grace Online Library
No evaluation of Dispensational Premillennialism may ignore its teaching of a two-phased return of Christ, the first phase of which is commonly known as the rapture. This feature is its…

Dispensationalism: A Return to Biblical Theology or Pseudo Christian Cult – Part I by Gospel Plow – Grace Online Library
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Why Jesus won't reign on this Earth for 1,000 years

The Scriptures not only do not promise an earthly reign, they teach that Christ will not reign on the earth. Consider the following:

(1) God decreed that no descendant of Coniah (Jeconiah or Jehoichin) "shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah" (Jer.22:28-30). Since Jesus is a descendant of Jeconiah through Salathiel (Matt.1:12; Lk.3:27), His throne must therefore be somewhere other than Judah, or His kingdom will fail. This excludes an earthly reign of Christ from Jerusalem.

(2) According to prophecy, the Branch of David (Jer.33:15-18) would be "a priest upon his throne" (Zech.6:12,13). Jesus is the Branch of David (Rev.5:5; 22:16) and a priest upon His throne (Heb.6:20; 7:1), yet He cannot be a priest on earth (Heb.8:4). Because He is not a descendent of Levi. Therefore, His reign as King cannot be on the earth!

(3) The Jews readily admitted that Christ would be "The son of David" (Matt.22:42). So, Jesus cast them a dilemma. "How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his Son?" (Matt.22:43-45; cf.Psa.110:1). The Jews could not answer because they did not understand the true nature of the kingdom. Yet Peter explained its meaning on Pentecost (30 A.D.) when he said that Jesus was raised from the dead to sit on David's throne at the right hand of God where He rules as Lord and Christ (Acts 2:29-36). David, Jesus and Peter understood that the reign of Christ would be in heaven at God's right hand. Since Jesus is to reign at the right hand of God till the end (1 Cor.15:24-26), there can be no earthly reign of Christ!

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A Literal 1000 Year Kingodom on Earth, "Fairy Tale"!

Dispensationalism, False Teachings!
No Literal Thousand Years, No Millenial Kingdom, NO Pre-Trib Rapture, No Multiple Resurrections

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

There will be one resurrection of the believer, old and new testament, this was taught by Jesus Christ, as seen in Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29 KJV, this resurrection and catching up will take place "Immediately after the tribulation" at the "Last Trumph" or voice of the "7th angel", on the "Last Day" of physical earths history.

"Last Day" "Last Trumph" death is swallowed up in victory, "Immediately After the Tribulation,"THE END"!

1 Cor 15:52-54 KJV
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 6:40 KJV
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24 KJV
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 5:28-29 KJV
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

On the "Last Day" "Last Trump" the heavens and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13, all mens works will be tried by this fire 1 Cor 3:13, the saved believer will pass through this fire to the eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" Revelation 21:1-3, we are to look for a new heaven and earth!

2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The Order of Events on The "LAST DAY" or "LAST TRUMPH"

1. Appearing of Jesus Christ, Glorius in the heavens, immediately after the tribulation. 1 Cor 15:52-55, Matthew 24:29-31, Daniel 12:1-2
2. Then the "FIRST" resurrection and catching up of the believers, old and new testament Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29.
3. Then the "SECOND" resurrection unto damnation, lake of fire Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29.
4. Then the heavens and earth are disolved in firey judgement, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 1 Cor 3:13 , every man's work will be judged by this fire, the believer will pass through the fire, Zech 13:7-9
5. Then the "New Heavens, Earth, and "New Jerusalem" are revealed for eternity Rev 21:1-3

"All In The Twinkling Of An Eye" on the "Last Day"!!!!!!!!!!

Thousand not Literal, A day is a Thousand years in the spiritual, "Not Literal"!

2 Peter 3:8 KJV
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Thousand not literal, the Lord owns the cattle upon all hills, "millions", "billions" "not literal"!

Psalm 50:10 KJV
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

The saints seen in Rev chapter 20 KJV are in the spiritual realm with the Lord, "they have already came out of great tribulation", the word "thousand" is not literal, and represents a long period of time in the physical world or a season, "they should rest yet for a little season" .

We clearly see the teaching from Daniel 12:1-2 and John 5:28-28, John 6:40, John 11:23-34 that the resurrection was on the "Last Day" how does Rev 20:4-6 KJV fit into Gods truth, of this "Last Day"?

No Millenial Kingdom On Earth for a "Thousand Years" Revelation 20:4-6 KJV

Rev 20:4 KJV The thrones would be that of God and Jesus, this would also show that they are the saints that have came out of the time of Jacobs trouble or great tribulation , that have died and are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, "they have not been resurrected" or received their glorified bodies, they are spiritual bodies, "Souls", these same "Souls" are also seen in Rev 16:9-11 KJV, they are waiting for vengenance on the wicked on earth, "they should rest yet for a little season", that will be seen at the "Last Day" after the tribulation, in Firey judgement 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, and their eternal resurrected bodies will then be received, 1 Cor 15:52-55 KJV, in the "First resurrection unto life" John 5:28-29 KJV.

"FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE", "SECOND RESURRECTION DAMNATION" John 5:28-29 KJV

Rev 20:5 KJV The rest of the dead would be all others old and new testament that are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, that are'nt depicted as coming out of the "Great Tribulation" as seen in Rev 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, and they will "LIVE AGAIN" after the resurrection to eternal "LIFE", just as the tribulation saints seen in Rev 20:4 will, they are not living with resurrected bodies, they are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, they will have part in the "First Resurrection" as Rev 20:6 states, but the "Last Day" has'nt come yet.

Rev 20:6 KJV This verse shows "all believers" tribulation saints, and old and new testament believers that will "hath part in the first resurrection" they are blessed to be in the "FIRST" resurrection, as seen in John 5:28-29 KJV and Daniel 12:1-2 KJV, the "SECOND" resurrection will be unto eternal damnation, both resurrections will be on the "Last Day" when "death is swallowed up in victory".

Revelation 20:4-6 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The same "Souls" as are seen in Revelation 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, that will be seen on the "Last Day" after the tribulation, at the "ONLY" resurrection of all believers, old and new testament.

Rev 16:9-11 KJV
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The same saints seen in Rev 20:4-6 KJV and Rev 16:9-11 KJV are seen now Rev 7:14 in the eternal kingdom before the throne of God, same saints that overcame, "NOT SOULS".

Revelation 7:13-15 KJV
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Appearance, Judgement, Eternal Kingdom, On The "Last Day"!

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus Christ Is the Lord!

Truth7t7

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Hi Little Lamb,
Melchidezek -who is Shem- was a priest of the Most High God, in the office of "Firstborn" over earth after Enoch ascended. Enoch was firstborn and priest, descended from Seth, who was in that office.
Noah received that office from Melchidezek. Noah passed it to Shem. Shem gave it to Abraham. Abraham gave it to Isaac. Isaac gave it to Jacob. Jacob gave it to Levi. Moses was in the office of priest and king, and passed the priesthood office to Aaron... and down it came to the time John the Baptist, who should have the office in his lifetime if it had not been sold politically from the time of the Maccabees, but God recognized it for John, and John transferred that office of Firstborn and high priest back to Jesus/Yeshua, Messiah, in the "Baptism unto Righteousness"; then the Holy Spirit descended upon the Christ come in flesh as the Anointing which the sons of Aaron only typed in receiving that office by the Messiah oil upon their entry into the temporary office, which they could never keep because of death.

Adam was created to be high priest and high king of earth, and to reign from Paradise over earth which is in the third heaven. Adam died in spirit and was cast down and out of Paradise in the third heaven lest he eat of the Tree of Life and live forever in the defiled flesh and be only fit to be cast into the LAke of fire as a "never dying worm", which means his flesh would never be transformed to the glory. All Adam's seed died in his loins that day, and none could ever give a ransom for their own soul much less for any other: But God has come in flesh as "only Begotten Son" -not in the flesh of Adam, but in the New Creation flesh, which is named "Israel" and came to be our Kinsman Redeemer.

Everything Adam lost at the fall, the brother to Adam, Christ in New Creation flesh named "Israel", has ransomed back for Himself, and He has ascended and He is glorified. The office of High Priest ruling from heaven is His, and as such, He is the "Everlasting Father", as Isaiah says, of the adopted sons for the regeneration of them into His New Man image.
So we have a never dying High Priest of earth ruling from heaven at this time, and He is our Ever Living Father because we have received the Living Spirit of Adoption when we were born again. He is THE High Priest after the (Patriarchal) order of Melche Zedek -the King of Righteousness.

And the legal right to the throne of David is His, through Joseph, for being born out of the womb of the wife of Joseph, He is the Firstborn son of Joseph whose right to that throne was. The reason two genealogies are given for Jesus through Joseph is to show Jesus' legal descent from Adam (Kinsman Redeemer is His legal office), and His legal right to the throne of David.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3bsAMyRwbw The Genealogy of Jesus Christ (According to Eusebius)