A Literal 1000 Year Kingodom on Earth, "Fairy Tale"!

[Truth7t7]

Dispensationalism, False Teachings!

No Literal Thousand Years, No Millenial Kingdom, NO Pre-Trib Rapture, No Multiple Resurrections

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

There will be one resurrection of the believer, old and new testament, this was taught by Jesus Christ, as seen in Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29 KJV, this resurrection and catching up will take place "Immediately after the tribulation" at the "Last Trumph" or voice of the "7th angel", on the "Last Day" of physical earths history.

"Last Day" "Last Trumph" death is swallowed up in victory, "Immediately After the Tribulation,"THE END"!

1 Cor 15:52-54 KJV
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 6:40 KJV
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24 KJV
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 5:28-29 KJV
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

On the "Last Day" "Last Trump" the heavens and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13, all mens works will be tried by this fire 1 Cor 3:13, the saved believer will pass through this fire to the eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" Revelation 21:1-3, we are to look for a new heaven and earth!

2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The Order of Events on The "LAST DAY" or "LAST TRUMPH"

1. Appearing of Jesus Christ, Glorius in the heavens, immediately after the tribulation. 1 Cor 15:52-55, Matthew 24:29-31, Daniel 12:1-2
2. Then the "FIRST" resurrection and catching up of the believers, old and new testament Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29.
3. Then the "SECOND" resurrection unto damnation, lake of fire Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29.
4. Then the heavens and earth are disolved in firey judgement, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 1 Cor 3:13 , every man's work will be judged by this fire, the believer will pass through the fire, Zech 13:7-9
5. Then the "New Heavens, Earth, and "New Jerusalem" are revealed for eternity Rev 21:1-3

"All In The Twinkling Of An Eye" on the "Last Day"!!!!!!!!!!

Thousand not Literal, A day is a Thousand years in the spiritual, "Not Literal"!

2 Peter 3:8 KJV
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Thousand not literal, the Lord owns the cattle upon all hills, "millions", "billions" "not literal"!

Psalm 50:10 KJV
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

The saints seen in Rev chapter 20 KJV are in the spiritual realm with the Lord, "they have already came out of great tribulation", the word "thousand" is not literal, and represents a long period of time in the physical world or a season, "they should rest yet for a little season" .

We clearly see the teaching from Daniel 12:1-2 and John 5:28-28, John 6:40, John 11:23-34 that the resurrection was on the "Last Day" how does Rev 20:4-6 KJV fit into Gods truth, of this "Last Day"?

No Millenial Kingdom On Earth for a "Thousand Years" Revelation 20:4-6 KJV

Rev 20:4 KJV The thrones would be that of God and Jesus, this would also show that they are the saints that have came out of the time of Jacobs trouble or great tribulation , that have died and are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, "they have not been resurrected" or received their glorified bodies, they are spiritual bodies, "Souls", these same "Souls" are also seen in Rev 16:9-11 KJV, they are waiting for vengenance on the wicked on earth, "they should rest yet for a little season", that will be seen at the "Last Day" after the tribulation, in Firey judgement 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, and their eternal resurrected bodies will then be received, 1 Cor 15:52-55 KJV, in the "First resurrection unto life" John 5:28-29 KJV.

"FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE", "SECOND RESURRECTION DAMNATION" John 5:28-29 KJV

Rev 20:5 KJV The rest of the dead would be all others old and new testament that are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, that are'nt depicted as coming out of the "Great Tribulation" as seen in Rev 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, and they will "LIVE AGAIN" after the resurrection to eternal "LIFE", just as the tribulation saints seen in Rev 20:4 will, they are not living with resurrected bodies, they are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, they will have part in the "First Resurrection" as Rev 20:6 states, but the "Last Day" has'nt come yet.

Rev 20:6 KJV This verse shows "all believers" tribulation saints, and old and new testament believers that will "hath part in the first resurrection" they are blessed to be in the "FIRST" resurrection, as seen in John 5:28-29 KJV and Daniel 12:1-2 KJV, the "SECOND" resurrection will be unto eternal damnation, both resurrections will be on the "Last Day" when "death is swallowed up in victory".

Revelation 20:4-6 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The same "Souls" as are seen in Revelation 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, that will be seen on the "Last Day" after the tribulation, at the "ONLY" resurrection of all believers, old and new testament.

Rev 16:9-11 KJV
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The same saints seen in Rev 20:4-6 KJV and Rev 16:9-11 KJV are seen now Rev 7:14 in the eternal kingdom before the throne of God, same saints that overcame, "NOT SOULS".

Revelation 7:13-15 KJV
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Appearance, Judgement, Eternal Kingdom, On The "Last Day"!

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus Christ Is the Lord!

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[Bethwhite]

And yet:

Rev 20:And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. 4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.


7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.


Ruling with a rod of iron:

Zech 14:9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.

10 The whole land, from Geba to Rimmon, south of Jerusalem, will become like the Arabah. But Jerusalem will be raised up high from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses, and will remain in its place. 11 It will be inhabited; never again will it be destroyed. Jerusalem will be secure.
12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. 13 On that day people will be stricken by the Lord with great panic. They will seize each other by the hand and attack one another. 14 Judah too will fight at Jerusalem. The wealth of all the surrounding nations will be collected—great quantities of gold and silver and clothing. 15 A similar plague will strike the horses and mules, the camels and donkeys, and all the animals in those camps.
16 Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[ will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles.
20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the Lord Almighty.

 

[Bethwhite]

Zech 8:The word of the Lord Almighty came to me. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I am very jealous for Zion; I am burning with jealousy for her.”
3 This is what the Lord says: “I will return to Zion and dwell in Jerusalem. Then Jerusalem will be called the Faithful City, and the mountain of the Lord Almighty will be called the Holy Mountain.”
4 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Once again men and women of ripe old age will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each of them with cane in hand because of their age. 5 The city streets will be filled with boys and girls playing there.”
6 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “It may seem marvelous to the remnant of this people at that time, but will it seem marvelous to me?” declares the Lord Almighty.
7 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. 8 I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God.”
9 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Now hear these words, ‘Let your hands be strong so that the temple may be built.’ This is also what the prophets said who were present when the foundation was laid for the house of the Lord Almighty. 10 Before that time there were no wages for people or hire for animals. No one could go about their business safely because of their enemies, since I had turned everyone against their neighbor. 11 But now I will not deal with the remnant of this people as I did in the past,” declares the Lord Almighty.
12 “The seed will grow well, the vine will yield its fruit, the ground will produce its crops, and the heavens will drop their dew. I will give all these things as an inheritance to the remnant of this people. 13 Just as you, Judah and Israel, have been a curse among the nations, so I will save you, and you will be a blessing. Do not be afraid, but let your hands be strong.”
14 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Just as I had determined to bring disaster on you and showed no pity when your ancestors angered me,” says the Lord Almighty, 15 “so now I have determined to do good again to Jerusalem and Judah. Do not be afraid. 16 These are the things you are to do: Speak the truth to each other, and render true and sound judgment in your courts; 17 do not plot evil against each other, and do not love to swear falsely. I hate all this,” declares the Lord.
18 The word of the Lord Almighty came to me.
19 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “The fasts of the fourth, fifth, seventh and tenth months will become joyful and glad occasions and happy festivals for Judah. Therefore love truth and peace.”
20 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Many peoples and the inhabitants of many cities will yet come, 21 and the inhabitants of one city will go to another and say, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the Lord and seek the Lord Almighty. I myself am going.’ 22 And many peoples and powerful nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord Almighty and to entreat him.”
23 This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.’”

 

[Bethwhite]

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[Truth7t7]

Bethwhite: more

Beth you refuse to see Eternal "New Jerusalem" in the verses quoted, because the false teaching of a 1000 year Kingdom on earth "FAIRY TALE" disappears in the light of truth!

Beth you have provided no scriptural evidence, you misinterpret Jerusalem as being this existing earthly Jerusalem, the references you provide in Zech 8 & 14 show the eternal "New Jerusalem" the false teachings of Dispensationalism do the same, I will give a few references that are falsely taught as being this earthly Jerusalem, when in fact they are the eternal Kingdom "New Jerusalem"!

This existing heaven and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire in Judgement, have you not read 2 Peter 3:10-13, 2 Thess 1:7-8, and peter 3:13 states we are to look for the new heavens and earth, Matthew 24:35 clearly states heaven and earth shall pass away, don't ya get it or do you need to save room for that false 1000 year Kingdom on the earth for the Jews to rule in?

You quote Zech 8 & 14 and the description of this Jerusalem is clearly seen in Zech 14, that you have given disregard to as having the "River of Life" a city that will have no evening, because the Lord Jesus Christ is the light of it, "New Jerusalem" Rev 21 & 22

"And you ask me if I want more"?

More of the false teachings on eternal "New Jerusalem" that you falsely claim to be an earthly Jerusalem, where a false 1000 year Kingdom will be, "Fairy Tale"!

Matthew 24:35 (KJV) 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2 Peter 3:10-13 (KJV) 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8 (KJV)
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Eternal "New Jerusalem" the former Heavens, Earth, are passed away, a New Heaven, Earth, and Jerusalem!

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV)
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 22:1-5 is the same eternal city, "New Jerusalem" as seen in Zech 14:6-9 and Ezekiel 47:8-12, the "River of Life" a Kingdom that will have no evening, the Lord is the light!

Revelation 22:1-5 (KJV)
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Zechariah 14:6-9 KJV
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

The same false teachings of "New Jerusalem" as being seen in the prophecy of Ezekiel, the tree of life, leaves of the tree for medicine, river of life. As those teach that Ezekiel chapters 47 & 48 is going to be this existing earthly Jerusalem in a 1000 year Kingdom, during a millinneial reign, a false teaching! This is the eternal "New Jerusalem"!

Same river of life flowing out of Jerusalem as seen in Zech 14:8, and Revelation 22:1-5, same Kingdom where there will be no evening, for the Lord is the light, tree of life, leaves for healing, nor fade, fruit not consumed "ETERNAL"!

Ezekiel 47:8-12(KJV)
8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

No I Don't need more of your false teachings that the eternal "New Jerusalem" is an earthly Jerusalem where there will be a false 1000 year Kingdom on earth, "FAIRY TALE"!

Appearance, Judgement, Eternal Kingdom!

2 Timothy 4:1 (KJV)
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus Christ Is The Lord!

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[Aijalon]

Ecclesiastes 1:4 >>> The earth remains forever.

Jeremiah 33:20 >>> God made a covenant with the day and night.

There is one sure fact. The earth will not be passing away, even after Christ returns. Why did Christ come in the flesh? If only to destroy all flesh?

Matthew 24:22
21 for there shall be then great tribulation, such as was not from the beginning of the world till now, no, nor may be. 22 And if those days were not shortened, no flesh would have been saved; but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened.

Why did he save Noah, why save the earth then, but destroy it later?

Sorry, you are full on nonsense.

It is pretty clear that we're not in the millenium.... but when it comes, the earth isn't going anywhere.

 

[Bethwhite]

Beth you refuse to see Eternal "New Jerusalem" in the verses quoted, because the false teaching of a 1000 year Kingdom on earth "FAIRY TALE" disappears in the light of truth!

Jesus must reign until all enemies are destroyed, the last enemy is death.

Rev 20 shows why, when, how.

Rev 21 shows the New Jerusalem coming down after death is destroyed.

Rev 20 is not a "false teaching" and it is not a "fairy tale". I believe every word of it.

You need to think about what you are saying. You refuse to accept the fact that Jesus and His IMMORTAL church will be ruling/reigning on and over this earth with a rod of iron for 1000 years, even though that's what Rev 20 tells you.

 

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[Tellastory]

And God's wrath can't start till the 7th trumpet sounds!

God displaying His wrath on the world is not the same when God comes to judge His House first which is what the pre tribulational rapture is really all about.

If you read 1 Corinthians 5:4-13, then as Paul taught what the purpose of excommunication does in verse 5, so will God do to His own House.

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Just as the rejection of the chief cornerstone placed the despensation of the gospel unto the Gentiles, so it is because of the falling away from the faith that the despensation of the gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses after the rapture for the coming great tribulation.

If God made a big deal about not eating with those that are not abiding in Him in having fellowship, God will do the same for the Marriage Supper.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

So there is a race to be run as it is by faith in the Son of God to finish it.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Aijalon]

Seems like you're suggesting that God will rapture the gentile saints, then work on salvation for Israel?

God has already judged his house. He already Judged Israel severely, there isn't anything left that he can do to the nation of Israel that he hasn't already done. You do realise that the current nation of Israel has nothing to do with Judah or the ancient Hebrews, right?

Why would God rapture Saints that are not Israelite descendents, then work on the Israelites, when we know full well that there is no favoritism with salvation: 'there is no Jew or Greek'.

God saving one race of people after first rapturing a separate group of people makes it seem as if there are two separate salvations. But there is only one. We all have the same hope! The New Covenant was the greater covenant, and was made with all mankind, anyone who has faith.

So if there is a rapture, it will include EVERY believer, the entire church, which includes Hebrews.

 

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[Choose Wisely]

Seems like you're suggesting that God will rapture the gentile saints, then work on salvation for Israel?

If he is suggesting that.......he would be correct.

 

[mathetes123]

Dispensationalism, False Teachings!

No Literal Thousand Years, No Millenial Kingdom, NO Pre-Trib Rapture, No Multiple Resurrections

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

There will be one resurrection of the believer, old and new testament, this was taught by Jesus Christ, as seen in Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29 KJV, this resurrection and catching up will take place "Immediately after the tribulation" at the "Last Trumph" or voice of the "7th angel", on the "Last Day" of physical earths history.

"Last Day" "Last Trumph" death is swallowed up in victory, "Immediately After the Tribulation,"THE END"!

1 Cor 15:52-54 KJV
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Daniel 12:1-2 KJV
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

John 6:40 KJV
40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24 KJV
23Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 5:28-29 KJV
28Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

On the "Last Day" "Last Trump" the heavens and earth will be dissolved by the Lords fire 2 Peter 3:10-13, all mens works will be tried by this fire 1 Cor 3:13, the saved believer will pass through this fire to the eternal kingdom "New Jerusalem" Revelation 21:1-3, we are to look for a new heaven and earth!

2 Peter 3:10-13 KJV
10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

1 Corinthians 3:13 KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

The Order of Events on The "LAST DAY" or "LAST TRUMPH"

1. Appearing of Jesus Christ, Glorius in the heavens, immediately after the tribulation. 1 Cor 15:52-55, Matthew 24:29-31, Daniel 12:1-2
2. Then the "FIRST" resurrection and catching up of the believers, old and new testament Daniel 12:1-2, Matthew 24:29-31, 1 Cor 15:52-55, John 6:40, John 11:23-24, and John 5:28-29.
3. Then the "SECOND" resurrection unto damnation, lake of fire Daniel 12:1-2, John 5:28-29.
4. Then the heavens and earth are disolved in firey judgement, 2 Peter 3:10-13, 1 Cor 3:13 , every man's work will be judged by this fire, the believer will pass through the fire, Zech 13:7-9
5. Then the "New Heavens, Earth, and "New Jerusalem" are revealed for eternity Rev 21:1-3

"All In The Twinkling Of An Eye" on the "Last Day"!!!!!!!!!!

Thousand not Literal, A day is a Thousand years in the spiritual, "Not Literal"!

2 Peter 3:8 KJV
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Thousand not literal, the Lord owns the cattle upon all hills, "millions", "billions" "not literal"!

Psalm 50:10 KJV
For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.

The saints seen in Rev chapter 20 KJV are in the spiritual realm with the Lord, "they have already came out of great tribulation", the word "thousand" is not literal, and represents a long period of time in the physical world or a season, "they should rest yet for a little season" .

We clearly see the teaching from Daniel 12:1-2 and John 5:28-28, John 6:40, John 11:23-34 that the resurrection was on the "Last Day" how does Rev 20:4-6 KJV fit into Gods truth, of this "Last Day"?

No Millenial Kingdom On Earth for a "Thousand Years" Revelation 20:4-6 KJV

Rev 20:4 KJV The thrones would be that of God and Jesus, this would also show that they are the saints that have came out of the time of Jacobs trouble or great tribulation , that have died and are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, "they have not been resurrected" or received their glorified bodies, they are spiritual bodies, "Souls", these same "Souls" are also seen in Rev 16:9-11 KJV, they are waiting for vengenance on the wicked on earth, "they should rest yet for a little season", that will be seen at the "Last Day" after the tribulation, in Firey judgement 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, and their eternal resurrected bodies will then be received, 1 Cor 15:52-55 KJV, in the "First resurrection unto life" John 5:28-29 KJV.

"FIRST RESURRECTION LIFE", "SECOND RESURRECTION DAMNATION" John 5:28-29 KJV

Rev 20:5 KJV The rest of the dead would be all others old and new testament that are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, that are'nt depicted as coming out of the "Great Tribulation" as seen in Rev 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, and they will "LIVE AGAIN" after the resurrection to eternal "LIFE", just as the tribulation saints seen in Rev 20:4 will, they are not living with resurrected bodies, they are dead or sleeping in Jesus Christ, they will have part in the "First Resurrection" as Rev 20:6 states, but the "Last Day" has'nt come yet.

Rev 20:6 KJV This verse shows "all believers" tribulation saints, and old and new testament believers that will "hath part in the first resurrection" they are blessed to be in the "FIRST" resurrection, as seen in John 5:28-29 KJV and Daniel 12:1-2 KJV, the "SECOND" resurrection will be unto eternal damnation, both resurrections will be on the "Last Day" when "death is swallowed up in victory".

Revelation 20:4-6 KJV
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The same "Souls" as are seen in Revelation 20:4 KJV, they have not received their glorified bodies, that will be seen on the "Last Day" after the tribulation, at the "ONLY" resurrection of all believers, old and new testament.

Rev 16:9-11 KJV
9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The same saints seen in Rev 20:4-6 KJV and Rev 16:9-11 KJV are seen now Rev 7:14 in the eternal kingdom before the throne of God, same saints that overcame, "NOT SOULS".

Revelation 7:13-15 KJV
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

Appearance, Judgement, Eternal Kingdom, On The "Last Day"!

2 Timothy 4:1 KJV
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Jesus Christ Is the Lord!

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Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

 

[ebedmelech]

I hold the first resurrection to be our conversion to Christ on earth. That is why the second death has no power...we have the Holy Spirit. As Ephesians tells us God "raised us up in Him and seated us together with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus" (Eph 2:6)

Raised = resurrection, as described in Blue Letter Bible...

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[Tellastory]

Seems like you're suggesting that God will rapture the gentile saints, then work on salvation for Israel?

What does Romans 11th chapter infers?

God has already judged his house.

1 Peter 4:17-19 testify that His House are those that believe the gospel, and the way it was written is that it is still yet to come.

So if there is a rapture, it will include EVERY believer, the entire church, which includes Hebrews.

All of the warnings given by Jesus was for the body of believers. It does not apply to those that believe not when He just said in John 3:18 that they were condemned already even after not believing in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

The church at Thyatira was warned to repent of fornication or be cast into the bed of the great tribulation in Revelation 2nd chapter.

Our Father in Heaven will be chastening every child He receives that are found not abiding in His Son as they ought to be.

The rationalization of those that do not believe this is to declare those left behind as never having been saved in the first place which is not true.

It was prophesied that there will be a falling away from the faith which means they are His. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

Paul addresses every believer having His seal to depart from iniquity, even those that err from the truth & had their faith overthrown: 2 Timothy 2:18-21 Those that do not depart from iniquity are considered vessels unto wood and earth: vessels unto dishonour in His House.

Paul says that any that defile the temple of God, him God will destroy. 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 Of which that body is the temple of the Holy Spirit: 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Which then ties in with the warning given to that church at Thyatira that they will be judged according to their works which Paul says if believer live after the flesh, they shall die: Romans 8:6,13.

So yeah... God is coming to judge His House first and those of His House are those that have been bought with a price and sealed as His and whatever is built on that foundation, that will be judged.

That is why Jesus calls every believer to be ready and prepare themselves so as to escape that fire He is sending on the earth: Luke 12:40-49 and Paul says how by looking to the author & finisher of our faith in running that race, and why we should in: Hebrews 12th chapter.

 

[Tellastory]

Hi Tellastory,

There won't be a pre or mid trib rapture of the church. The church waits for the resurrection of all of the just - the dead in Christ shall rise first. Rev. 14 shows that those of the time of the beast will be dying in the Lord. They die before John saw the earth reaped by the one like the Son of man.

Revelation starts off about the 144,000 redeemed from the earth that did not defile themselves with women.

Then John testified to that door being shut wherein the accuser of our brethren has been cast down to the earth, knowing he has little time left.

I see that as the Marriage Supper of the Lamb with those doors shut.

John also testified that there were inhabitants in Heaven: and spoke of the woe to those still upon the earth because of the devil being cast out.

Now the latter part of that chapter spoke of two sickles: one that I see as the pre trib rapture in verses 14 & 15 and the other sickle wherein that harvest is reaped in the fire in verses 16-20.

Two harvests: those that are Christ the firstfruits as mentioned in the early part of that chapter which means there are more than just those ones mentioned there: and those that are Christ's at His coming. Then you have the harvest at the end of the milleniel reign of Christ.

Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

So there is another harvest after the end of the milleniel reign in order for Him to give up the kingdom of God to the Father. This has to be after defeating Satan for the last time during that small season after the millen iel reign of Christ.

Three harvests makes up the whole of the Kingdom of God.

It's time to go before that throne of grace and ask Jesus for help and trust Him as our Good Shepherd to not only have us ready but keep us ready as only He can finish that race for us of Whom our confidence rests in.