Proof the Earth is Flat

[Leaf473]

I know and believe what the Bible states, i do not need to have a model to test that the sun is moving over the earth, i see that most everyday.

How far can a person see on a flat plane, well go to one of the salt flats and see, I do not know.

The Bible also states that mountains can be thrown into the sea. I don't think everything in the Bible is to be taken literally.

I was asking how far you thought people can see. I think people can see billions of miles, if the object they're looking at is bright enough and big enough. I don't think that conflicts with anything in the scriptures that we are to take literally.

I think this is a great verse that we are not to take literally
Psalm 18:10 He rode on a cherub, and flew. Yes, he soared on the wings of the wind.

 

[Leaf473]

I thought when you said
it would be good to have a flat Earth map that you accept first, so that we can talk about the distances involved.

That we have had this conservation before.

So nothing new since our last postings so no need to discuss any further.

Yes we did talk about having a flat Earth map earlier.

We were talking just now about how far a person can see before something disappears over the horizon. It would be good to know how many miles away the horizon is.

So that's why I was bringing up the idea of a flat Earth map again.

But yes, I agree that we did talk about this earlier, and if I remember right, there isn't a flat Earth map that you agree with.

So yes, we can stop discussing this now, if you wish.

If you find a flat Earth map that you agree with, please let me know!

 

[tas8831]

I made this video as a way to edify Christians on God's creation but even more so to bring people to the knowledge and truth of Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible (message to do that at end of video) through pulling them in with the truth of flat earth.

What do you guys think of it?
Any criticism/critique/suggestions welcome.

Thank you, Austin

The pictures do not look anything like the 'dead' people. Get some glasses.

Oh, and the earth is not flat.

 

[d taylor]

Another verse from the Bible, which exposes the lie of the earth as a globe.

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.

 

[Leaf473]

Another verse from the Bible, which exposes the lie of the earth as a globe.

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory.

I hear what you're saying.

Now, myself, when I hear read a passage that talks about the whole Earth, I'm reminded of passages like this, too:

Daniel 7:23 The fourth animal will be a fourth kingdom on earth, which will be different from all the kingdoms, and will devour the whole earth, and will tread it down, and break it in pieces.

That fourth animal seems to be the Roman empire. But Rome didn't control the whole Earth. It did control most of the known world as it was known back then to the writer and readers of Daniel.

So, imo, if the scripture says that the whole Earth is illuminated all at once by the same angel, it may be using the idea of the whole earth in the same way that Daniel does.

 

[d taylor]

I hear what you're saying.

Now, myself, when I hear read a passage that talks about the whole Earth, I'm reminded of passages like this, too:

Daniel 7:23 The fourth animal will be a fourth kingdom on earth, which will be different from all the kingdoms, and will devour the whole earth, and will tread it down, and break it in pieces.

That fourth animal seems to be the Roman empire. But Rome didn't control the whole Earth. It did control most of the known world as it was known back then to the writer and readers of Daniel.

So, imo, if the scripture says that the whole Earth is illuminated all at once by the same angel, it may be using the idea of the whole earth in the same way that Daniel does.

Well i will not get into the prophecy back and forth.
But Daniel 7:23 is about the beast (out of the sea) and his eventual whole earth rule. So that is not about The Roman empire.

This book goes over that really well: The Power to Make War by Zane Hodges

 

[Leaf473]

Well i will not get into the prophecy back and forth.
But Daniel 7:23 is about the beast (out of the sea) and his eventual whole earth rule. So that is not about The Roman empire.

This book goes over that really well: The Power to Make War by Zane Hodges

Yes, I understand there can be issues about prophecy.

I think this would be another example. Daniel is talking to Nebuchadnezzar:

Daniel 2:38 Wherever human beings dwell, the animals of the field and the birds of the sky has he given into your hand, and has made you to rule over them all: you are the head of gold.

But Nebuchadnezzar didn't really rule over the whole world.

But please don't get me wrong, I'm not against people taking the Bible literally. And I know that some people say that Nebuchadnezzar had the potential to rule the entire world.
That seems like kind of a stretch to me, to be honest.

The thing I'm concerned about is this:
As someone talked about earlier, the price of space travel is coming down, more and more people are going up.

Maybe one day you will go up, or someone that you trust. If at that time you see a round world, I think it would be good to have some other ways of looking at the scriptures that you could remember from our chats here.

 

[andreha]

The pictures do not look anything like the 'dead' people. Get some glasses.

Oh, and the earth is not flat.

Actually, the earth is not really flat. It's more like a rubik's cube, 6 sides, and each side has 9 mini flat earths on it. There. Debunked in 10 seconds.

 

[d taylor]

Yes, I understand there can be issues about prophecy.

I think this would be another example. Daniel is talking to Nebuchadnezzar:

Daniel 2:38 Wherever human beings dwell, the animals of the field and the birds of the sky has he given into your hand, and has made you to rule over them all: you are the head of gold.

But Nebuchadnezzar didn't really rule over the whole world.

But please don't get me wrong, I'm not against people taking the Bible literally. And I know that some people say that Nebuchadnezzar had the potential to rule the entire world.
That seems like kind of a stretch to me, to be honest.

The thing I'm concerned about is this:
As someone talked about earlier, the price of space travel is coming down, more and more people are going up.

Maybe one day you will go up, or someone that you trust. If at that time you see a round world, I think it would be good to have some other ways of looking at the scriptures that you could remember from our chats here.

Ok lets say what you are saying is correct about the verse concerning Nebuchadnezzar.

So now really what do the verses about Nebuchadnezzar have to do with Revelation 18:1

 

[Lost4words]

Jeff and Branson are proving the earth is not flat by their space flights...

Egg on the face of flat earth believers!

 

[d taylor]

Yes, I agree that God made the moon for times and seasons.

God also made light. We can do experiments with light to learn more about it. For example, we can see that light bends when it goes through a glass of water. What causes this? We can do experiments to try to learn more.

In the same way, we can ask what causes the phases of the Moon. Why does the position of the moon in the sky and its phase affect the tides?

How far do you believe a person can see?

We can talk about the sun vanishing over the horizon, but I think it would be good to have a flat Earth map that you accept first, so that we can talk about the distances involved.

I really do not have an interest in proving anything about the earth scientifically. But Rob Skiba seems to have that interest, you can watch this video he made about seeing distances and even touches on the sun at the end.

 

[d taylor]

Jeff and Branson are proving the earth is not flat by their space flights...

Egg on the face of flat earth believers!

Why are they proving that, i thought that was done 50 years ago by the fake moon trip.

 

[Lost4words]

Why are they proving that, i thought that was done 50 years ago by the fake moon trip.

Flat earth believers will have to pick something else to believe in now!

Maybe, something like, the earth has a chocolate core?!

 

[andreha]

I think belief in a flat earth, is caused by a medical condition. It's called "flat head syndrome"

 

[Leaf473]

Ok lets say what you are saying is correct about the verse concerning Nebuchadnezzar.

So now really what do the verses about Nebuchadnezzar have to do with Revelation 18:1

They talk about Nebuchadnezzar ruling over the entire earth. But he didn't rule over the entire earth, just the Earth as the people back then knew it.

 

[d taylor]

They talk about Nebuchadnezzar ruling over the entire earth. But he didn't rule over the entire earth, just the Earth as the people back then knew it.

Are you speaking about Daniel 2:38, i is still do not see that verse saying Nebuchadnezzar ruled over the whole earth. the next verse 39 states this plainly.

Actually i see the kingdom in 39 who is said to rule the whole earth in a contrast to Nebuchadnezzar rule. If not, why would that verse say that kingdom rules over all the earth. If Nebuchadnezzar kingdom had done that why would verse 39 be written and sound like this was the first all over the earth rule.

That implies that 38 is not saying that about Nebuchadnezzar kingdom.

 

[Lost4words]

In those days, the whole earth meant a local area known to man. They had no knowledge of far off countries etc...

 

[d taylor]

They talk about Nebuchadnezzar ruling over the entire earth. But he didn't rule over the entire earth, just the Earth as the people back then knew it.

Verse 37 states God has given Nebuchadnezzar a kingdom. It sure sounds like verse 38, is speaking about this kingdom, God has given Nebuchadnezzar. That all, that is in this kingdom (and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand) Nebuchadnezzar has rule over.

 

[Leaf473]

Are you speaking about Daniel 2:38, i is still do not see that verse saying Nebuchadnezzar ruled over the whole earth. the next verse 39 states this plainly.

Actually i see the kingdom in 39 who is said to rule the whole earth in a contrast to Nebuchadnezzar rule. If not, why would that verse say that kingdom rules over all the earth. If Nebuchadnezzar kingdom had done that why would verse 39 be written and sound like this was the first all over the earth rule.

That implies that 38 is not saying that about Nebuchadnezzar kingdom.

It's not so easy to see in the KJV because of the sentence structure.
If we look at say, the
NASB1995:
wherever the sons of men dwell, or the beasts of the field, or the birds of the sky, He has given them into your hand and has caused you to rule over them all.

Daniel 2:38 - Bible Gateway

There were sons of men living in India at the time of Nebuchadnezzar. They were also living in places like Australia and America. But Nebuchadnezzar wasn't ruling over them.

What I take away from the situation is that the Bible sometimes speaks from the perspective of the writers and the readers. And yes, from the point of view of a person standing in Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar did rule over the sons of men wherever they lived. And the Earth looked flat from where they were standing.

Verse 39 talks about the kingdom of bronze ruling over all the earth. It's probably the Greeks. It uses less "flowery" language, probably in keeping with the idea that bronze is less valuable than gold.

But you're right, verse 39 does say that the bronze Kingdom will rule over the whole Earth. To me, again that means the whole earth as they could see it back then.

 

[Leaf473]

Maybe this is a better example

Romans 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, that your faith is proclaimed throughout the whole world.

The faith of the Romans wasn't being proclaimed in South america. So I think it means the whole world as Paul saw it, not the whole world as we see it today.