Proof the Earth is Flat

[Phil G]

Well, standing here on the ground.. It certainly doesn't line up... visually.

If the moon is orbiting the earth at the rate of roughly once every 30 days, the side of it which faces the sun will take some time to change. This why the moon can look full over a period of about 3 nights but there are small changes every night.

The moon keeping the same side to the earth all the time means that, from the earth, the view the earth has of the sunlight hitting the moon won't significantly change through any given night.

The sense that the sun is moving below the earth is misleading because it is the earth rotating, not the sun moving. The relatively slow orbit of the moon and the relatively fast rotation of the earth means that the moon and sun's relative position to each other will not have significantly changed in the time the earth rotates in a number of hours or even a full rotation.

If the moon was orbiting the earth far quicker, like once every ten days, then the phase would be visibly changing through any given night.

 

[JacksBratt]

If the moon is orbiting the earth at the rate of roughly once every 30 days, the side of it which faces the sun will take some time to change. This why the moon can look full over a period of about 3 nights but there are small changes every night.

The moon keeping the same side to the earth all the time means that, from the earth, the view the earth has of the sunlight hitting the moon won't significantly change through any given night.

The sense that the sun is moving below the earth is misleading because it is the earth rotating, not the sun moving. The relatively slow orbit of the moon and the relatively fast rotation of the earth means that the moon and sun's relative position to each other will not have significantly changed in the time the earth rotates in a number of hours or even a full rotation.

If the moon was orbiting the earth far quicker, like once every ten days, then the phase would be visibly changing through any given night.

I understand all of this..

What is not observable is that the illuminated portion of the moon does not seem to follow the sun..

The illuminated side of the moon should always face the sun... Visually... it does not.

 

[Phil G]

I understand all of this..

What is not observable is that the illuminated portion of the moon does not seem to follow the sun..

The illuminated side of the moon should always face the sun... Visually... it does not.

It is the apparent position of the sun which is misleading. It is not moving below the moon nor is it moving below the earth. The lit part of the moon is still facing the sun. It doesn't change when the sun sets. Another person in a part of the world where the sun had yet to set and the half moon still visible would still see the lit part facing the sun.

 

[d taylor]

That photo looks like an illustration, and i believe that is all it is.

 

[Phil G]

That photo looks like an illustration, and i believe that is all it is.

You can believe that if you want. And I know a six-day creation believing Christian personally who travels the world to see eclipses and is a keen observer of the sky/moon and he verifies this is what it looks like.

But how can a self-luminous moon exhibit phases and where in the Bible is the moon defined as self-luminous.

 

[d taylor]

I ahve already posted verses that state that the moon possesses its own light. When i did then you added another requirement that the verse can not be connected to the 2nd coming of The Messiah. Which has nothing to do with whether the moon is a created light or not, Genesis 1:16

the greater light to rule the day
the lesser light to rule the night.

3974. maor
Strong's Concordance
maor: a luminary
Original Word: מָאוֹר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: maor
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-ore')
Definition: a luminary

 

[Phil G]

I ahve already posted verses that state that the moon possesses its own light. When i did then you added another requirement that the verse can not be connected to the 2nd coming of The Messiah. Which has nothing to do with whether the moon is a created light or not, Genesis 1:16

the greater light to rule the day
the lesser light to rule the night.

3974. maor
Strong's Concordance
maor: a luminary
Original Word: מָאוֹר
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: maor
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-ore')
Definition: a luminary

But notice this same word is used in Proverbs 15:30 to describe light of eyes. They do not have natural light so the word is not exclusively used for something which produces its own light.

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
bright, light
Or maor {maw-ore'}; also (in plural) feminine mpowrah {meh-o-raw'}; or morah {meh-o-raw'}; from 'owr; properly, a luminous body or luminary, i.e. (abstractly) light (as an element): figuratively, brightness, i.e.cheerfulness; specifically, a chandelier -- bright, light.

I gave no requirement that the verses you posted can not be connected to the 2nd coming of the Messiah but said that this is what they were about - a miraculous event outside of the natural order of things. The verses are to do with His miraculous coming not the current light properties of the moon.

So once again what verses define the moon as self-luminous and how can a self luminous moon exhibit phases?

 

[coffee4u]

I took my dogs for a walk and the moon was right in front of us, it looks spherical to the naked eye, no science needed.

 

[d taylor]

Just wondering do the christians who believe sciences statements about God creation. Also accept that the moons impressions are caused by meteor impacts and that this happened several millions/billions years ago

 

[SPF]

The moons impressions are caused by meteor impacts. They happen regularly and are documented.

 

[JackRT]

I understand all of this..

What is not observable is that the illuminated portion of the moon does not seem to follow the sun..

The illuminated side of the moon should always face the sun... Visually... it does not.

You are viewing the sun and moon from the point of view of the earth. These three bodies are in motion and rotating --- all of this makes perspective awkward and sometimes misleading. But if you take the time to put some thought into it you will conclude that the illuminated portion does "follow" the sun.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are viewing the sun and moon from the point of view of the earth. These three bodies are in motion and rotating --- all of this makes perspective awkward and sometimes misleading. But if you take the time to put some thought into it you will conclude that the illuminated portion does "follow" the sun.

I have... I have taken the time..

As I said, at the time of the half moon, the illuminated portion continues to face due west.. all night.
If the earth is rotating and orbiting the moon and the moon is orbiting the earth... the illuminated portion, IMO, should follow the sun...

So, from our vantage point on the earth.. it should not matter. As the sun goes down and underneath us, from our perspective.. the illuminated portion should follow it. However, the illuminated portion starts facing west, where the sun is at that time.. but continues to face west.. all night. Even when it is in the western sky... it faces west.

Sorry... that's what I see.

 

[d taylor]

Science states they happened millions of years ago.

 

[SPF]

I have... I have taken the time..

As I said, at the time of the half moon, the illuminated portion continues to face due west.. all night.
If the earth is rotating and orbiting the moon and the moon is orbiting the earth... the illuminated portion, IMO, should follow the sun...

So, from our vantage point on the earth.. it should not matter. As the sun goes down and underneath us, from our perspective.. the illuminated portion should follow it. However, the illuminated portion starts facing west, where the sun is at that time.. but continues to face west.. all night. Even when it is in the western sky... it faces west.

Sorry... that's what I see.

Thus, with your current level of knowledge about how the moonlight operates, what is your current hypothesis for how the moon gives off light? Do you believe there is an internal light source in the moon? What's your current reigning theory for the light on the moon?

Science states they happened millions of years ago.

I love how you talk as if "Science" is some kind of a person. As far as I know, science states that meteor impacts have happened on the moon (as well as every other planet basically) since they began to exist. There are also new craters on the moon that appear, and are documented.

What's your explanation for recent impact craters?

 

[JacksBratt]

Thus, with your current level of knowledge about how the moonlight operates, what is your current hypothesis for how the moon gives off light? Do you believe there is an internal light source in the moon? What's your current reigning theory for the light on the moon?

Well, that's just it..
Just as I don't know how a Baltimore Oriole knows how to make it's nest, without instruction. In fact every Baltimore Oriole makes the same one... Or any bird for that matter..
Or how a monarch butterfly who hatched in my back field.. flies to Mexico.. to the exact place that it's parent was hatched.. then, it's eggs hatch and fly back to my back field.
Or, how every beaver knows just how to create a dam to stop up water so that it has a deep enough pond to build it's lodge.
Or, why every crow hates owls. Just absolutely hate them to the point that they will be killed by the owl for harassment.
Or, Every goose knows to fly in a "V" formation in order to make flight easier..and then rotate out the front most goose to give it a break.
Or, Why water expands when cooled below 4 degrees centigrade....

There are many mysteries in this world. How or even if..the moon is it's own source of light.. is something that I'm still wondering about..

But... the phases of the moon, from what I observe.. don't make sense.

 

[d taylor]

This globe earth, outer space, universe, evolution lie leads to this from believers.

Do You Believe That There's Life On Other Planets?

 

[JacksBratt]

You can believe that if you want. And I know a six-day creation believing Christian personally who travels the world to see eclipses and is a keen observer of the sky/moon and he verifies this is what it looks like.

But how can a self-luminous moon exhibit phases and where in the Bible is the moon defined as self-luminous.

Firstly.... what does the fact that they are a six day creationist have to do with anything?

Secondly......If God can make the moon, somehow, self illuminate... I'm sure that He could give it phases.

The BIG "how" is the question. How is it illuminated?

Even though the phases, to me, do not line up with the way the sun and moon are in relationship to each other, from my view.... I also don't have any theory on how the moon would create it's own light.

 

[SPF]

Even though the phases, to me, do not line up with the way the sun and moon are in relationship to each other, from my view.... I also don't have any theory on how the moon would create it's own light.

I hope you're intelligent enough to realize that even if at the moment you can't comprehend how the phases work that they actually do work.

If the phases of the moon did not line up with the way the sun and moon are in relation to each other, then it would be obvious to anyone with a basic education in astronomy. Notice you won't find a single paper anywhere showing that they don't line up.

And I hope you aren't about to fall back on your, "Well of course there isn't they would be laughed at!" excuse. That's getting older than refraction.

If the phases didn't line up with the sun/moon rotations, that would not be able to be kept a secret, period.

 

[SPF]

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[SeventyOne]

Well, if a kid's show actor says its real, it must be real.