Proof that the Earth is millions of years old?

[drich0150]

What is "it"?

reasonable or persuasive answers.

Those are very insulting statements to Muslims, and I assume you're a very intelligent person (based on the discussions we've had) so I am going to assume you know they're insulting. I don't see how deliberately insulting someone isn't labeled a "sin". It seems like a hate guided act.

Your question had me direct my thoughts to the muslim god in a one on one setting. These thoughts should not effect a devout muslim in any way shape or form. My issue is not with Islam My issue would only be an issue, if I were standing before throne of the muslim god on the day of my judgment. as for the current followers of Islam I could careless of what they believe. It does not affect me one bit. i actually employ muslims (1 at the moment) and will listen and answer any questions they have about Christianity, Islam, or the western view on Islam.

Are you seriously suggesting that god condones deliberate hate filled acts against anyone?

Please with all due haste, cut and paste where I have promoted hate filled acts. So we can address them quickly and deliberately. Otherwise i expect an apology for misrepresenting my intentions and my work.

I'm sure the 12 year old statement was purely fact based and critical to the argument.

In all truthfulness it was. When people of that time referred to a virgin they were not referring to an 18 or 19 year old who fell through the cracks of society. Because at that time a 17 or 18 year old woman would have been working or a second or third child at that point in her life.

A true virgin was a girl who was completely untouched. assurances could only be given of true virginity if the girl had not started her menstrual cycles.. (Because it was a high crime to plunder a child, and death was ordered swiftly by stoning) This is the same truth or standard we hold to Marry, or in other words this is why we know she was a virgin. (She was betrothed to Joseph as a virgin) Meaning she was under the legal age of sexual activity in a marriage, so She was given or betrothed to Joseph, which means marriage without sex.

These facts places a man who desires 50 of these little girls as a"reward" barely above a "deity" who would grant such a request.. You see there is no hate in the truth. Hatred comes in the form of an unrighteous judgment and the execution of said judgment. Which BTW follows your messages/responses more closely than mine. (In that I have not made false accusation in order to make my case.)

Again all i have done is question their supposed deity and demanded answers to the behavior that he inspires, not only that I question his resourcefulness and devotion to "his" people, in the absents of a sin sacrifice.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the religion or the people follow that religion unless you are saying the deity in that religion does not exist. If that is the case it renders your original question moot and it disqualifies all that i have said. Because none of what I have observed no longer applies. Because i was not speaking to a god of sorts, and I can see how the heart of men would want such "rewards."

Which in the end, it is up to people who are in all religion to ask these types questions of their "god." Again my questions are the result of a devoted heart, that has been magnified by the truths found in scripture. If you will note again I did not cast judgment on the muslim people for what they believe nor did i call anyone to any type of action against their people. i simply question their god and his motives. It is obvious your own prejudices will not allow you to make that distinction of your own accord.

Also this was a quid pro quo exchange I ask you to tell me what you would say, or how you would explain yourself (Your faith) to God and then you answered my question with this question. So now that we have explored my response: "Quid pro quo Clarice, Quid pro quo."

I'm sure it had no intention to slander me or accuse my argument of being childish. Because I'm sure you know such actions are immature and are inflammatory. I could easily relate God to Santa Clause and call you childish for believing in him. So let's keep the petty insults to ourselves.

Evidently you think me more intelligent than what I truly am, because i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. If you want a response you will have to explain what it is you think I mean more clearly.

 

[drich0150]

Thread title: Proof that the Earth is millions of years old?

K/Ar metrics show the earth to be 4.5by old.

Did you happen to read anything other than the thread title?

Did you not see the dating method being showcased? did you not read the direct responses that pointed out the faith in that particular method of dating?

Again this is not a thread on k/ardating, please try to stay on topic. OR START ANOTHER THREAD.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Fossils.

Carbon dating.

Can these things even be disputed? I'm a christian but there is no way the world is only thousands of years old.

whats ur take?

Fossilization is an extremely rare event, requiring very narrow condtions. Fossils are typically dated by the geological column in which they are found. Dating the geological column is best dated using K/Ar ratios. Current estimates place the age of the earth at 4.5by+/-.

Carbon dating is limited when assessing the age of the earth, and is thusly not used for these purposes.

That's my take.

 

[razeontherock]

If in order to assume that if I drop a rock and it will hit the ground(because of gravity) or in order to add 1+1 to = 2, I must have faith. Then I suppose I am a great man of faith.

It is true that radiocarbon dating(using Carbon 14) is used for dating materials around 5,000 years old, but there are many other methods of dating:
-Uranium-lead dating method
-Potassium-argon dating method
-Fission track dating method
-Optically stimulated luminescence dating method
-Chlorine-36 dating method
-Rubidium-strontium dating method
-Uranium-thorium dating method
-Samarium-neodymium dating method
-Iodine-Xenon dating, and many others that can date back from tens of thousands of years to billions of years old.

Yes and all these have been tested using objects of known age, and proven WRONG, and wildly so. The subjectivity left int he hands of the tester makes it less of a hard science than the way it's presented, but that shoiuld in no way deter us from advancing our knowledge.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Yes and all these have been tested using objects of known age, and proven WRONG, and wildly so. The subjectivity left int he hands of the tester makes it less of a hard science than the way it's presented, but that shoiuld in no way deter us from advancing our knowledge.

"Proven WRONG and wildly so." Care to source this or should we chalk this up to pure conjecture?

 

[razeontherock]

Neither. Things are not going to be "proven" via the internet. On a talk forum, generally ideas are exchanged. You may process info as you see fit.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

Neither. Things are not going to be "proven" via the internet. On a talk forum, generally ideas are exchanged. You may process info as you see fit.

In that case, I think your "idea" stinks. I think you have no concept of how radiometric dating using isotope decay works, and I think you accept blindly what creationist web sites pedal. And since we're exchanging ideas, there could be a pink unicorn under your bed. As always, you may process info as you see fit.

 

[jonmichael818]

Yes and all these have been tested using objects of known age, and proven WRONG, and wildly so.

Could you cite a study or experiment showing how these methods are wrong? You say these methods have been tested using objects of a known age, how are the objects(you are referring to) ages known? Using radiometric dating methods? Or pure speculation?

Neither. Things are not going to be "proven" via the internet. On a talk forum, generally ideas are exchanged. You may process info as you see fit.

Your right, this is usually done via experiments, and the results of experiments are posted online for all to see, which are being presented on this forum. Also, I thought exchanging ideas is what we have been doing?

 

[jonmichael818]

This thread is not about the various types of dating, if you have taken the time to read the OP it would be clear to you why Carbon dating was even brought up.

Fossils.

Carbon dating.

Can these things even be disputed? I'm a christian but there is no way the world is only thousands of years old.

whats ur take?

Fossils are dated in more than one way. Carbon dating is a form of radiometric dating,and I have listed other forms of radiometric dating. I have stated my take.

I dont think I am off topic, if I am please explain.

 

[Lukaris]

"And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all things that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to exercised therewith. I have seen all the works that are done under the sun: and behold, all is vanity and vexation of spirit." (Ecclesiastes 1:13-14, KJV).

 

[drich0150]

Fossils are dated in more than one way. Carbon dating is a form of radiometric dating,and I have listed other forms of radiometric dating. I have stated my take.

I dont think I am off topic, if I am please explain.

The OP structures his post like this:

Fossils. (Meaning this is one subject or group of evidence that the OP wants address. this is accentuated by the space between Fossils and the next subject)

Carbon Dating. Again spaced apart from any other group of evidence. Meaning it stands alone as well.

Next the brother mentions his faith orientation, which would indicate the angel in which he wanted the answer to come from.

Note: no other dating methods were mentioned.

You tell me how is it that you think your points are relevant? How do any of the other brands of dating get past the problem of faith that I had outlined in my original response to "your take?"

If you are merely bring up the other forums used to date artifacts then you are off topic because this thread is not an academic study devoted to the procedures used to identify the supposed age of an item. Again this thread is directed at how all of these things are considered in the light of Faith. Ours and yours.

Since you persist in the mere mentioning of these other brands of radiometric dating, and do not address the faith involved, you are off topic and out of the guidelines for posting in this thread. Because you as a non believer can only ask questions, and are not to give a unsolicited response. This is not a debate form, and one can not Explore Christianity if one is here to teach..

As I have invited others to do, if you want to have a discussion about the other forms of radiometric dating then please feel free to simply start another thread in the appropriate area.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

The OP structures his post like this:

Fossils. (Meaning this is one subject or group of evidence that the OP wants address. this is accentuated by the space between Fossils and the next subject)

Carbon Dating. Again spaced apart from any other group of evidence. Meaning it stands alone as well.

Next the brother mentions his faith orientation, which would indicate the angel in which he wanted the answer to come from.

Note: no other dating methods were mentioned.

You tell me how is it that you think your points are relevant? How do any of the other brands of dating get past the problem of faith that I had outlined in my original response to "your take?"

If you are merely bring up the other forums used to date artifacts then you are off topic because this thread is not an academic study devoted to the procedures used to identify the supposed age of an item. Again this thread is directed at how all of these things are considered in the light of Faith. Ours and yours.

Since you persist in the mere mentioning of these other brands of radiometric dating, and do not address the faith involved, you are off topic and out of the guidelines for posting in this thread. Because you as a non believer can only ask questions, and are not to give a unsolicited response. This is not a debate form, and one can not Explore Christianity if one is here to teach..

As I have invited others to do, if you want to have a discussion about the other forms of radiometric dating then please feel free to simply start another thread in the appropriate area.

You need to seriously get over yourself. It seems you have appointed yourself arbiter of EC. Don't take it personal that a thread took a different direction than you thought it should.

The OP asked a question. He was enquiring as to the age of the earth. It was a simple matter to point him in the right direction. It is unfortunate that there are those who would intentionally mis-characterize C-dating with for no other reason than to obfuscate the issue. Shouldn't clarity of understanding be the endeavor.

Should I have asked if using a sundial was the best way to clock the top speed of a Corvette, you undoubtedly would have let me believe so.

Merry Christmas//

 

[drich0150]

You need to seriously get over yourself. It seems you have appointed yourself arbiter of EC. Don't take it personal that a thread took a different direction than you thought it should.

The OP asked a question. He was inquiring as to the age of the earth. It was a simple matter to point him in the right direction. It is unfortunate that there are those who would intentionally mis-characterize C-dating with for no other reason than to obfuscate the issue. Shouldn't clarity of understanding be the endeavor.

Should I have asked if using a sundial was the best way to clock the top speed of a Corvette, you undoubtedly would have let me believe so.

Merry Christmas//

regardless of your personal take on what direction this discussion should go this decision is not yours to make. (As you are an admitted non Christian) As i have pointed out time and time again this is not a discussion or debate as to the resources or methods used to date material. But the faith involved to accept the data as truth. because no matter what dating system that is employed a measure of faith will inevitably be needed.

Having you or your comrade ranting on and on about the many different methods of dating artifacts serves no purpose in the exploration of Christianity. So perhaps it would be best if you took your own advise that you offered me in your opening sentence.

And i intend to have a very merry Christmas.

 

[drich0150]

Just a polite reminder to those of "other faiths" this is not a place for open discussion for your deeply help religious beliefs whether they be theistic or A-theistic. This is a place where people come to have their questions answered from a Christian perspective as it pertains to their personal exploration of Christianity. If you wish to have an open discussion pertaining to your specific beliefs, then please find the appropriate part of this forum to hold that discussion.

 

[LifeToTheFullest!]

regardless of your personal take on what direction this discussion should go this decision is not yours to make. (As you are an admitted non Christian) As i have pointed out time and time again this is not a discussion or debate as to the resources or methods used to date material. But the faith involved to accept the data as truth. because no matter what dating system that is employed a measure of faith will inevitably be needed.

Having you or your comrade ranting on and on about the many different methods of dating artifacts serves no purpose in the exploration of Christianity. So perhaps it would be best if you took your own advise that you offered me in your opening sentence.

And i intend to have a very merry Christmas.

If you would have us believe that using a sundial is the best means of recording the speed of a Corvette, good on ya'.

And for the record, will you highlight where the OP is asking how much faith is required?

 

[drich0150]

If you would have us believe that using a sundial is the best means of recording the speed of a Corvette, good on ya'.

And for the record, will you highlight where the OP is asking how much faith is required?

Exploring Christianity

 

[Blue Man]

a lacking deity who does nothing for his children other than to bribe them with a 50 carrot reward or an eternal stick. I see a God limited by the desires and fears of man. A God who can not conceive anything greater than what only the worst among us strives for.. seriously all stereotypes aside, Who wants 50 virgins?

Per your request, I have quoted your hate filled rant, and if you try to deny it, I would simply assume you are lying. To me, that's about as hate filled as it gets, and that's one of the reasons I left Christianity. I started watching the news and saw the legacies it leaves behind.

 

[drich0150]

Per your request, I have quoted your hate filled rant, and if you try to deny it, I would simply assume you are lying. To me, that's about as hate filled as it gets, and that's one of the reasons I left Christianity. I started watching the news and saw the legacies it leaves behind.

(You)Are you seriously suggesting that god condones deliberate hate filled acts against anyone?
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(Me) Please with all due haste, cut and paste where I have promoted hate filled acts. So we can address them quickly and deliberately. Otherwise i expect an apology for misrepresenting my intentions and my work.

As you can plainly see You accused me of perpetrating "Hate filled acts" or at the minimum representing that God would condone a hate fill act against a Muslim. It appears you have once again misrepresented yourself and me to continue on you rant.. I say this because, What you have cut and paste has absolutely no call for anyone to perpetrate a hate filled act against a Muslim. I believe you own me an apology, and a retraction of your last statement.

Apparently Hate for anything that does not resemble popular spirituality has blinded you to anything you haven't been brain washed into accepting.

So again now that his business has been complete, quid pro quo Clarice. What will you tell the God of the bible when He asks you to give an account for your life?

 

[Blue Man]

(You)Are you seriously suggesting that god condones deliberate hate filled acts against anyone?
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(Me) Please with all due haste, cut and paste where I have promoted hate filled acts. So we can address them quickly and deliberately. Otherwise i expect an apology for misrepresenting my intentions and my work.

As you can plainly see You accused me of perpetrating "Hate filled acts" or at the minimum representing that God would condone a hate fill act against a Muslim. It appears you have once again misrepresented yourself and me to continue on you rant.. I say this because, What you have cut and paste has absolutely no call for anyone to perpetrate a hate filled act against a Muslim. I believe you own me an apology, and a retraction of your last statement.

Apparently Hate for anything that does not resemble popular spirituality has blinded you to anything you haven't been brain washed into accepting.

So again now that his business has been complete, quid pro quo Clarice. What will you tell the God of the bible when He asks you to give an account for your life?

I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced by your sliver fingers. And if it couldn't fool me...

 

[jonmichael818]

I must say certain people on this thread have done a wonderful job of avoiding the arguments and evidence that show that the earth is far older than thousands of years old. Not sure if I am really interested in discussing a topic with people that will not address the evidence directly.