Proof that the Book of Mormon is a fraud!!!

[CrownCaster]

(Me) i believe there is one eternal truth...this life and universe are so vast in detail and full of vast arrays of science that it cannot make sense that there is no reason for it all...but the thing is, normal christians believe in one eternal truth, mormons believe in a different eternal truth...what is it that determines who's right and wrong, how can we know which is right


i believe that, yes...but what im wondering is how we can all come together (good third day song) without fighting and bickering amongst us christians and find a way to live in peace with other types of christian-based religions such as mormonism and jehovah's witnesses...i do not agree with them, but that gives me no reason to hate them...and all this bickering is sickening to my stomach (no exaggeration)

...as the cliché goes...

Can't we all get along?! (Somehow?)

I guarantee you people see this kind of behavior day to day and they could very well think "I don't want any part of that religion-God stuff if all they do is argue and bicker; I thought Christians were loving people."

i dont want anyone dying and going to hell over us fighting...

(rant over, not a debate statement)

I agree that we need to get along and NEVER 'hate' another. I know it sometimes sounds contrived around here but I truly do care about these people on this board and only wish for them to have a genuine relationship with Jesus, which they very may well have. I do think though that it is important to point out false teachings that may make it harder or stop a person from fully coming to Jesus. The truth? It is found in the pages of the Holy Bible. I personally believe that going anywhere else for ultimate truth will only bring one up short. I pray right now that these people I have the honor of interacting with on here will be saved and one day we will live forever together in the presence of God.

 

[gort]

i believe that, yes...but what im wondering is how we can all come together (good third day song) without fighting and bickering amongst us christians and find a way to live in peace with other types of christian-based religions such as mormonism and jehovah's witnesses...i do not agree with them, but that gives me no reason to hate them...and all this bickering is sickening to my stomach (no exaggeration

I have to wonder where you get the idea that we hate people? Is this from a mormon point of view? I will admit I have a hatred for the theology of mormonism. I'm not ashmamed to proclaim that. It is not a theology taught by the Bible, though they will argue that point. Nevertheless, it will probably be twisted into a hatred for people, and the world will read it and come to the conclusion that I hate people. So be it.

Do you think that God would be pleased if we hold hands with those who preach another gospel? Should we also hold hands with those who perish? Shall we sing together while some are on the broad path to destruction?

Or shall we proclaim the Truth boldly, that they might hear, God willing that their ears be opened?

Me Pops is mormon. I cannot pray with him, though I wish it were so. Someday maybe, the Very Good Lord willing. amen.

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[CrownCaster]

What is wrong? what is right anyway? I don't really think anyones nailed it yet. But I know one thing that all religions should agree on, and thats accepting and loving humanity. You can't convert people by telling them they will go to hell if they don't accept Christ. Even if you could, people would join your religion for all the wrong reasons. I think as long as you find peace with humanity, and peace with yourself and what ever is up there, I feel everything might just turn out ok.

But see, everything wont just turn out okay, and that is what scares me for some people. The Bible says that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father and without Him, there is only judgment. People do not have to be seperated from the Father and life eternal. Jesus payed the cost to bring us home. All we have to do is thank Him, trust Him, and accept His gift. He will do the rest. He will make the changes in our lives. He will make us whole. He will save us and there is nothing else that matters when it is all said and done. Humanity will only let us down. While it is good and proper for us to love and take care of one another, without Jesus by our side, it will have all been a fleeting moment in the path to seperation from God. I dont want that for you or anyone else.

 

[joebobned]

But see, everything wont just turn out okay, and that is what scares me for some people.

Unfortunately many instill this fear into "non-believers" and end up driving them away. Companionship is the best way to influence someone for good.

 

[Mea Culpa]

FB: Mea, did you realize that is a fact that people not only came across the Bering straights, but from ships that came across the water. And as you look at these people think about the mixture that is in them.

I am not sure why anyone would be quoting anything from "Dr." Walter Martin. So lets take the Jerusalem problem. If you had read the Book of Mormon for yourself, and not just got this tidbit from an anit mormon website, you would see that it says that Jesus was born in the "Land" of Jerusalem. Bethleham is a suburb of Jerusalem. This was a phrase that was used to discribe an area that could have included several cities. When I tell people where I am from, if they are not familar with my area, I go to the largest landmark they know, and go from there to explain where I live. Does this make sense?

Who says I haven't? They change the fricken thing every other day!

 

[Apex]

I have to wonder where you get the idea that we hate people? Is this from a mormon point of view? I will admit I have a hatred for the theology of mormonism. I'm not ashmamed to proclaim that.
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More of the "Love the Mormon, Hate the Mormonism".

Me Pops is mormon. I cannot pray with him, though I wish it were so.

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Why cant you pray with youre father? Just because you dont think someone is not following Christ does not mean that you can not pray with them.

 

[Apex]

They change the fricken thing every other day!

They change what "fricken" thing every day?

 

[A New Dawn]

Me Pops is mormon. I cannot pray with him, though I wish it were so. Someday maybe, the Very Good Lord willing. amen.

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That is a problem you need to overcome. You should be able to pray with anyone. The fact that you refuse to probably only hardens the relationship between the two of you.

 

[XVII]

i do believe in the one truth of the King James Holy Bible, infallable and preservation of the word of God...but lets just hope all this bickering over the truth doesnt drive people to hell, only one person would win that fight in the end, satan

 

[gort]

More of the "Love the Mormon, Hate the Mormonism".

your point?

Why cant you pray with youre father? Just because you dont think someone is not following Christ does not mean that you can not pray with them.

He worships, as you, another god. It is not the God of the Bible.

That is a problem you need to overcome. You should be able to pray with anyone. The fact that you refuse to probably only hardens the relationship between the two of you.

Actually our relationship is better than it ever was. He told me once, if I was mormon, then we would be brothers.

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[Chrono Traveler]

But see, everything wont just turn out okay, and that is what scares me for some people. The Bible says that Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father and without Him, there is only judgment. People do not have to be seperated from the Father and life eternal. Jesus payed the cost to bring us home. All we have to do is thank Him, trust Him, and accept His gift. He will do the rest. He will make the changes in our lives. He will make us whole. He will save us and there is nothing else that matters when it is all said and done. Humanity will only let us down. While it is good and proper for us to love and take care of one another, without Jesus by our side, it will have all been a fleeting moment in the path to seperation from God. I dont want that for you or anyone else.

But how do you know who accepts Jesus or not? Many people try to live by his teachings. Never in his teachings did he say "You shall be Christian, and pray to me every day, or you shall be doomed to hellfire".

I accept his teachings, I just don't accept the fact hat anyone who studies another way of life, and it helps them become better people would a path to hell.

There are billions of people in the world, and less than 20% are Christian. Would God really condem all these people to hell because(these all can affet religion): They grow up in different famlies, different cultures, countries, different times even. Would Good really condem them for finding peace, for loving humaniy, for truly being what Christ was was all about? Is thats whats gonna hapen to all of us? All of us who don't think praying to and accepthing Christ is the ONLY way? Cause trust me, most of us think it is one of the ways.

All religion is important, all religion has a history. Christian, Morman, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, Shinto, Shaman, Wiccan. and many many more...we all live by the same code, so why can't we all just live together in peace?

 

[A New Dawn]

Actually our relationship is better than it ever was. He told me once, if I was mormon, then we would be brothers.

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I am glad you have a good relationship with him, but, have you ever asked him if he is hurt by your refusal to pray with him? Is there no way it could be stronger?

Praying with someone doesn't give the message that you approve of their choice of beliefs, it does, however, prove that you care about them. You might be surprised at how much that one little change can change a persons heart.

That is how your beliefs are acted out in love, not by refusing to pray with him.

 

[gort]

I am glad you have a good relationship with him, but, have you ever asked him if he is hurt by your refusal to pray with him? Is there no way it could be stronger?

Praying with someone doesn't give the message that you approve of their choice of beliefs, it does, however, prove that you care about them. You might be surprised at how much that one little change can change a persons heart.

That is how your beliefs are acted out in love, not by refusing to pray with him.

Pops is a very staunch TBM, more so than any mormon I've ever seen on this board. According to him, I don't have the truth, PERIOD. There is no discussion about the subject anymore with him. Other than that, we get along just fine.

As far as he is concerned, when I die and go to a spirit prison, it is there he says I will learn the "truth."

But to the Father I pray for him, and others I know who are mormon. It's in His Hands.

fwiw

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[gort]

All religion is important, all religion has a history. Christian, Morman, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhism, Hindu, Shinto, Shaman, Wiccan. and many many more...we all live by the same code, so why can't we all just live together in peace?

But there is only One Son of God who died for sins.

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[happyinhisgrace]

I accept his teachings, I just don't accept the fact hat anyone who studies another way of life, and it helps them become better people would a path to hell.

Do you "accept" His teachings or do you agree with them? Jesus said there is NO other way to the father (and heaven), except through Him. Do you believe that teaching of His?

 

[A New Dawn]

Pops is a very staunch TBM, more so than any mormon I've ever seen on this board. According to him, I don't have the truth, PERIOD. There is no discussion about the subject anymore with him. Other than that, we get along just fine.

As far as he is concerned, when I die and go to a spirit prison, it is there he says I will learn the "truth."

But to the Father I pray for him, and others I know who are mormon. It's in His Hands.

fwiw

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Thanks for clarifying that.

(what is fwiw?)

 

[gort]

Thanks for clarifying that.

(what is fwiw?)

You're welcome.

"for what it's worth"

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[Chrono Traveler]

Do you "accept" His teachings or do you agree with them? Jesus said there is NO other way to the father (and heaven), except through Him. Do you believe that teaching of His?

And what is through him? I feel like I would rather live by the teachings than just say some silly prayer every night. I feel if you live by his teachings, that is truly accepting him. You don't have to be Christian to live a good life..

 

[Fit4Christ]

You don't have to be Christian to live a good life..

...True, but you have to have Jesus for an awesome afterlife!

 

[Chrono Traveler]

You don't have to be Christian to accept Jesus either....