Proof that the Abrahamic god exists?

[ClothedInGrace]

Allah, Vishnu, Krishna, Zeus, Bondye, etc...

So you believe Zeus and Yahweh are both equally valid options? You can't deduce any important differences in the nature of their being or in the nature of the faiths they give? People don't even believe in Zeus anymore, so why would you choose some lightning god over a God who people have believed in for more than 4,000 years?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

1. No anecdotes (personal events)
2. No long commentaries.
3. Use scientific evidence.
4. Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
5. No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)

Prove that the God of Abraham does not exist.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Another one of these? Good grief.

These threads will continue till the end of the age.

 

[civilwarbuff]

These threads will continue till the end of the age.

Yeah, ain't it cool?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

Yeah, ain't it cool?

Gives us something to do I suppose: A mental exercise, if you will.

 

[ml5363]

"Face it, you wouldn't believe in Allah, or Buddha, or Kali, or Krishna unless they appeared right in front of you. That's the only evidence you would accept: Obviously a complex universe fine tuned for our extraordinary existence isn't enough for you. No one convinced me they existed with argumentation or empirical evidence, but I simply read His word and followed Him as a sheep follows his shepherd."

1. How do you know what I'll believe?
2. Same can be said for other religions.
3. Yes, if he did reveal himself, that would be evidence. But that is not necessary for me. All I need is scientic evidence, nothing more, nothing less.

is having a feeling, presence come over you when in prayer, a sermon, or just stopping and thanking him or having appreciation for what you see...is that proof in your eyes?

 

[ClothedInGrace]

is having a feeling, presence come over you when in prayer, a sermon, or just stopping and thanking him or having appreciation for what you see...is that proof in your eyes?

Not in mine... Feelings are subjective: Truth is objective. You either have your mind enlightened to believe it or you're kept in darkness.

 

[ml5363]

Not in mine... Feelings are subjective: Truth is objective. You either have your mind enlightened to believe it or you're kept in darkness.

in my mind these are times when he is near, or communicating with me..trying to teach me something..or show me this is important...it is a physical happening /experience that happens to my body..mainly my chest region...an atheist friend of mine had this happen to her b4 she was atheist...blew my mind how she could change to an atheist..she chalks it up to being temp insane...it isn't about my mind when it happens..it is physical..but anyways to me it is proof he is real...I believe with faith at the beginning..but as time went on..and i yearn for knowledge and to dig deeper this has happened more and more...I attribute it to going to a church that preaches the bible...happens at home, at random sometimes, and doing prayer...as well

 

[Spiritlight]

We can't prove God exists or doesn't with something matrial we can measure repeatedly, there you go! The only thing we have proof of is faith in God or disbelief in God.

Those who claim God exists and those who declare he doesn't are relying on faith.

Jesus in the other hand no reputable historian doubts he existed but his divinity is often brought into question by those unable or unwilling to believe he is God.

 

[redleghunter]

1. No anecdotes (personal events)
2. No long commentaries.
3. Use scientific evidence.
4. Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
5. No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)

I would consider #5 above as argumentum ad lapidem.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Yeah, what you said.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

edit...
He is off to bed....how convenient....

 

[Spiritlight]

These threads will continue till the end of the age.

You know how it is the questions most people ask themselves:

Why do I exist?
What's the meaning of life?
Does God exist?
Will there be world peace?
Why is the human race so stupid?
One day could I be as cool and smart as Christians are.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

I think the captain has abandoned the ship.....

He said he was going to come back tomorrow.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Allah, Vishnu, Krishna, Zeus, Bondye, etc...

Then offer your evidence....within your own constraints of course....

 

[redleghunter]

"Face it, you wouldn't believe in Allah, or Buddha, or Kali, or Krishna unless they appeared right in front of you. That's the only evidence you would accept: Obviously a complex universe fine tuned for our extraordinary existence isn't enough for you. No one convinced me they existed with argumentation or empirical evidence, but I simply read His word and followed Him as a sheep follows his shepherd."

1. How do you know what I'll believe?
2. Same can be said for other religions.
3. Yes, if he did reveal himself, that would be evidence. But that is not necessary for me. All I need is scientic evidence, nothing more, nothing less.

There is historical evidence for Buddha and the prophet Muhammad. What they said and wrote is open for examination. Evidence I don't immediately impeach but examine as with all eyewitness and deposition testimony.

 

[redleghunter]

"Face it, you wouldn't believe in Allah, or Buddha, or Kali, or Krishna unless they appeared right in front of you. That's the only evidence you would accept: Obviously a complex universe fine tuned for our extraordinary existence isn't enough for you. No one convinced me they existed with argumentation or empirical evidence, but I simply read His word and followed Him as a sheep follows his shepherd."

1. How do you know what I'll believe?
2. Same can be said for other religions.
3. Yes, if he did reveal himself, that would be evidence. But that is not necessary for me. All I need is scientic evidence, nothing more, nothing less.

If scientific only evidence you seek, which is materialism, perhaps take a visit to Turin and examine the shroud for yourself.

We have a CF member who like you wanted physical evidence of the divine. @Vicomte13 will dialogue with you if you are willing to be receptive.

 

[ClothedInGrace]

If scientific only evidence you seek, which is materialism, perhaps take a visit to Turin and examine the shroud for yourself.

We have a CF member who like you wanted physical evidence of the divine. @Vicomte13 will dialogue with you if you are willing to be receptive.

 

[redleghunter]

Let me ask you this, if I was a Muslim and I told you that my god was true and I did not present any evidence, what would you say?

Muslims do present evidence and it is up to the Christian to examine the evidence to see if the claims are true.

Your #5 impeaches the Bible. A very tidy box you created for yourself.

In effect by comparison what you pose is akin to a Christian telling a Muslim "prove the claims in the Qur'an but you can't use the Qur'an.

Nice little tidy false dilemma.

 

[redleghunter]

Another one of these? Good grief.

Yes the "prove the Bible is true, but you can't use the Bible."