Proof that the Abrahamic god exists?

[Archaeopteryx]

Churches, holidays, organizations, bumper stickers, decals, iconography, hymns, carols, martyrs, and time depicted as BC/AD.

If you don't accept that as evidence/proof, consider this:

We know gravity exists, not because we can see it, but because we can see its effects.

The effects of "the Abrahamic god" are everywhere.

Those appear to be the effects of religion.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

and according to a basic law of logic, anything that has a beginning is an effect.

Back at it again? Mind telling us which law of logic you're referring to?

 

[AV1611VET]

Back at it again? Mind telling us which law of logic you're referring to?

Cause and Effect?

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Cause and Effect?

He said logical law, not physical law. Also if he had used "physical law" he'd still be wrong, as I've shown in the past.

 

[AV1611VET]

He said logical law, not physical law. Also if he had used "physical law" he'd still be wrong, as I've shown in the past.

Okay.

 

[Ed1wolf]

Back at it again? Mind telling us which law of logic you're referring to?

Causality.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Causality.

Causality is a law of logic? LOL, is gravity a law of logic as well?

 

[Ed1wolf]

Causality is a law of logic? LOL, is gravity a law of logic as well?

Yes, it is an extension of the law of non-contradiction, look it up in a book on logic.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

Yes, it is an extension of the law of non-contradiction, look it up in a book on logic.

You are given the following:

Not (X and not X).

Now please define how causality is represented in the language of logic, and use the assumption given to deduce the causality that you have yet to define.

 

[Ed1wolf]

You are given the following:

Not (X and not X).

Now please define how causality is represented in the language of logic, and use the assumption given to deduce the causality that you have yet to define.

The law of causality is analytically true. IOW true by definition or analysis. It is a logical extension of the law of non-contradiction. Self creation or causation is formally falsified. It fails the test of logical analysis. For something to create itself it must defy the law of non-contradiction. It must both be and not at the same time and in the same relationship.

 

[Nihilist Virus]

The law of causality is analytically true.

Please demonstrate this.

IOW true by definition

So you mean it's a tautology?

or analysis.

Please share the analysis.

It is a logical extension of the law of non-contradiction.

Can you show this logical extension?

Self creation or causation is formally falsified. It fails the test of logical analysis. For something to create itself it must defy the law of non-contradiction. It must both be and not at the same time and in the same relationship.

You are now talking about something different. You have abandoned the issue at hand. Just because something logically cannot cause itself to exist doesn't make causality a logical law. That's like saying that nothing can logically preceed the Big Bang, therefore time is a logical law.

 

[Ed1wolf]

Ed1wolf said: ↑
The law of causality is analytically true.

nv: Please demonstrate this.

Because every effect requires a cause.

ed: IOW true by definition

nv: So you mean it's a tautology?

Yes, but a true tautology.

ed: or analysis.

nv: Please share the analysis.

See above.

ed: It is a logical extension of the law of non-contradiction.

nv: Can you show this logical extension?[/qutoe]

It is an axiomatic corollary of the law of non-contradiction.

ed: Self creation or causation is formally falsified. It fails the test of logical analysis. For something to create itself it must defy the law of non-contradiction. It must both be and not at the same time and in the same relationship.

nv: You are now talking about something different. You have abandoned the issue at hand. Just because something logically cannot cause itself to exist doesn't make causality a logical law. That's like saying that nothing can logically preceed the Big Bang, therefore time is a logical law.

Yes, it does, it shows that it is an axiomatic corollary of the law of non-contradiction.

 

[devolved]

Because every effect requires a cause.

How do you get from "every effect requires a cause" to "everything is an effect that requires a cause" ?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

1. No anecdotes (personal events)
2. No long commentaries.
3. Use scientific evidence.
4. Preaching is not evidence, but simply restating your claim.
5. No circular logic. (Bible is true because it says so.)

Has science prove God exists?

 

[anatolian]

I will never believe in Allah...the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob.

How can you be even a christian then?

 

[anatolian]

Allah, Vishnu, Krishna, Zeus, Bondye, etc...

There is a great ignorance here. Allah is the God of Abraham and the earth and the sky and everything in between. The other ones you name were either Allah's names in other languages and religions or completely fabricated false "gods"..

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

There is a great ignorance here. Allah is the God of Abraham and the earth and the sky and everything in between. The other ones you name were either Allah's names in other languages and religions or completely fabricated false "gods"..

There is indeed a great ignorance here.

Christians are not to take the name of God in vein. While Allah is the Arabic word for God, the God of Islam is not the God of the Christians.
The god of Islam has no son. The God of Christians and Jews does. If Allah is said to be the same God as that of the Christians and Jews when Allah gave revelation to Muhammad more than 600 years after Yeshua, that Son of God that Allah did not have, then Allah would have delivered a false testament to Muhammad when he told Muhammad he had no son.

The god of Islam does not believe Jesus was crucified to die and take the sins of the world upon himself. That god taught this to Muhammad. Again, Allah would have born false witness to Muhammad were he the same God as delivered his only begotten son upon Mary so as to fulfill the mission of Salvation when Allah taught Muhammad that.

Allah taught Muhammad that the triune nature of God is blasphemous. And today Muslims agree. That is also contrary to the truth of the God of Christians and Jews. Islam also rejects that Jesus was God incarnate.

All these things, but not the only things,are in direct opposition to the cornerstone of the Christian faith that predates Islam.

If the God of Islam were the same God as that of Christianity then he'd be a man. Because his teachings to Muhammad make him a liar when he renounces what he said and did over 600 years prior when sending his only Son Jesus to earth. And then six hundred and more years later denied it all.

Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

How can you be even a Christian then?

They certainly can. And are. What they are telling you is that they can never be a Muslim.

 

[Belk]

There is indeed a great ignorance here.

Christians are not to take the name of God in vein. <Snip>

God is to potent to mainline.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

God is to potent to mainline.

God is not a man that he should lie.