Proof that God exists?

[Danyc]

My heart does agree, its my flesh that doesn't agree.

Could you expand upon this?

In terms of your biology and anatomy, which organ is your 'heart' that agrees, and which is your 'flesh' which does not?

 

[weathered]

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[weathered]

Could you expand upon this?

In terms of your biology and anatomy, which organ is your 'heart' that agrees, and which is your 'flesh' which does not?

The heart i refer to is spiritual not flesh.

 

[weathered]

Why do i flee from my flesh and seek obedience to God?


Co 10:22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

 

[Belk]

What i meant was that we choose to be sinners, we can either come to Him and hope in Him and His salvation through Christ or we can remain sinners. That's what we choose

Are you claiming that those who accept the salvation of the Christ no longer sin?

 

[Danyc]

The heart i refer to is spiritual not flesh.

So your brain does not create this belief that we deserve eternal punishment? This is knowledge only your soul has?

 

[weathered]

Are you claiming that those who accept the salvation of the Christ no longer sin?

Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

 

[weathered]

So your brain does not create this belief that we deserve eternal punishment? This is knowledge only your soul has?

The brain works with the soul in some way i suppose. The scriptures or the word of God tells me and my heart agrees.

 

[weathered]

That's the old KJV bible im using by the way, there are more modern translations. I just happen to like the KJV

 

[Danyc]

The brain works with the soul in some way i suppose. The scriptures or the word of God tells me and my heart agrees.

These conversations are always very interesting. Each and every religious person seems to have a different understanding of how the brain and the soul work together.

Though we always seem to get down to the core issue. The core issue always ends up being "Why do you believe?"

Fascinating.

 

[weathered]

These conversations are always very interesting. Each and every religious person seems to have a different understanding of how the brain and the soul work together.

Though we always seem to get down to the core issue. The core issue always ends up being "Why do you believe?"

Fascinating.

I believe because God called me to believe, he chose me before i chose him, at least this is what the bible says i think.


He may just be calling you too.

 

[Danyc]

I believe because God called me to believe, he chose me before i chose him, at least this is what the bible says i think.


He may just be calling you too.

Anything is, of course, possible. The question is whether or not evidence supports such a conclusion.

I would say that it does not. And, we come back to the title of the thread.

 

[weathered]

Anything is, of course, possible. The question is whether or not evidence supports such a conclusion.

I would say that it does not. And, we come back to the title of the thread.

You wont find any proof that God exists until you seek him. Then the evidence will be inside you, you wont need anything else. It takes time and patience and prayer. But its better to believe in a God who loves us then people who do not, that's a start.

Anyway, nice talking to you. ttyl

 

[Tiberius]

I dont get into that debate, we all fail to misunderstand things, no one knows everyting and we all have opinions.

I don't know if i chose to become what i am or not, don't know if i was born the way i am or chose it. All i know is i can choose to be something better now at this moment.

But given that a gay boy who is being bullied to the point of suicide would obviously choose to change if he could - and yet he doesn't - this would logically indicate that a person's sexual preference is not a choice.

 

[weathered]

But given that a gay boy who is being bullied to the point of suicide would obviously choose to change if he could - and yet he doesn't - this would logically indicate that a person's sexual preference is not a choice.

Yet bullies are selfish and hateful and their opinion doesn't matter anyway. The only thing that matters is what God thinks. Whats God say about it?

 

[Danyc]

Yet bullies are selfish and hateful and their opinion doesn't matter anyway. The only thing that matters is what God thinks. Whats God say about it?

That wasn't his point. This isn't about whether it's right or what someone thinks.

This is about choice. Given that gay boys suffer negative outcomes from their homosexuality, to the point of killing themselves instead of choosing (as you claim they can) to be straight, it is ridiculous to conclude that they had a choice in the first place.

 

[weathered]

That wasn't his point. This isn't about whether it's right or what someone thinks.

This is about choice. Given that gay boys suffer negative outcomes from their homosexuality, to the point of killing themselves instead of choosing (as you claim they can) to be straight, it is ridiculous to conclude that they had a choice in the first place.

I didn't claim they can become straight. I just said they can be forgiven and made right with God, their sins can be forgiven and forgotten. As far becoming straight is concerned maybe God can do that i don't know, but there are other options anyway. Everyone has sin they must struggle with, gays are no different.

 

[Belk]

Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Perhaps a yes or no? Verses are open to interpretation and frankly I am asking for your view, not a bible quote.

 

[Danyc]

I didn't claim they can become straight. I just said they can be forgiven and made right with God, their sins can be forgiven and forgotten. As far becoming straight is concerned maybe God can do that i don't know, but there are other options anyway. Everyone has sin they must struggle with, gays are no different.

In that case, do you retract this statement?

Being a homosexual is indeed a choice, just as being a liar, adulterer, idolater, fornicator, thief, drunkard or any other thing we choose to be.

 

[Belk]

You wont find any proof that God exists until you seek him. Then the evidence will be inside you, you wont need anything else. It takes time and patience and prayer. But its better to believe in a God who loves us then people who do not, that's a start.

Anyway, nice talking to you. ttyl

The issue I have with this is that it means you must first believe there is something there to seek. Thus setting up a very real likelihood of conformation bias. Seems a rather odd way to deal with your creation whom you desire worship from.