Proof that God exists?

[Skavau]

Whenever a person says they never do anything it automatically makes that statement false.

Perhaps you would do better to not take my statement out of context and therefore misrepresent me:

I am not and am never deliberately disrespectful towards theists in a serious discussion or debate.

I can in different circumstances be disrespectful and mocking of people but in any discussion or debate with them I do not do that by intent.

 

[trientje]

I notice you keep speaking of honesty.

Tell us, how do you account for this immaterial idea of honesty?

To judge humans only on science is to be one dimensional. For it throws out Philosophy, and anything that might describe a human in another way. You question my honesty because I described something that is immaterial?

 

[Gadarene]

I notice you keep speaking of honesty.

Tell us, how do you account for this immaterial idea of honesty?

The posts are there on the thread. Read them.

Is this your "everything in your view is subject to interpretation" that you think my view entails? Newsflash - it doesn't.

 

[Elioenai26]

The posts are there on the thread. Read them.

Is this your "everything in your view is subject to interpretation" that you think my view entails? Newsflash - it doesn't.

Just tell me how you account for your idea of honesty, that is all I am asking.

You keep talking about honesty, I would expect for you to be able to give an account for it.

 

[Gadarene]

How have I disrespected you or anyone else?

If by disrespect, you mean me telling you that your views are wrong, then how is this disrespect? Do you not maintain that Christian views are wrong?

Stop with the fake attitude. You know precisely what the problem is.

It isn't that you claim my views are wrong.

It is that you have repeatedly and intentionally lied about what my views actually are.

I assure you if I agreed with what you said, you would not charge me with disrespect.

No, I take a dim view of anyone who does it.

And apparently you still haven't learned that putting words in the mouths of others isn't a good idea.

It is a stupid bit of evidence because that is your opinion Gadarene.

If what I say is true, then why do you not accept it as true?

Because even if it happens to be true, you've done a crap job demonstrating that it is. That's been our point all along, "apologist".

If it is disrespect, then what does ridiculing accomplish?

How is ridiculing someone help your position?

This is what Richard Dawkins called for in his march for reason in Washington and many secular thinkers took issue with him because of this.

If you ridicule anything, then ridicule the idea, don't attack the person supporting the idea. And when you ridicule the idea, be sure to have a good reason for doing so or it becomes an exercise in futility for you and is diminished to an emotive reaction.

Good job I talked about ridiculing your attitudes and not you, then isn't it?

As for good reasons, your repeated lies about atheists are a great example.

(Cue the same fake-innocent "but Mr Gadarene, where have I told lies" crap)

 

[Gadarene]

Just tell me how you account for your idea of honesty, that is all I am asking.

You keep talking about honesty, I would expect for you to be able to give an account for it.

When you say something that is inaccurate or untrue.

 

[trientje]

Is honesty and truth synonymous? Truth has an objective sense to its usage, honesty is much more subjective and depends upon the integrity and intention of the speaker. Truth is debatable, honesty is not debatable, it relies upon the intention of the individual.

 

[Gadarene]

Is honesty and truth synonymous? Truth has an objective sense to its usage, honesty is much more subjective and depends upon the integrity and intention of the speaker. Truth is debatable, honesty is not debatable, it relies upon the intention of the individual.

Correct, but simply casting aspersions on what someone has said for no good reason or claiming that you know better than they do what their intentions and ideas are is not a particularly good means of discussing these things in good faith. It does imply that you're not being taken seriously, for one thing.

 

[Davian]

No, I am not afraid of Darth Vader.

Why not?

Because I do not fear man whose breath is in his nostrils, and who, after killing the body, can do no more; but God who has the ability to cast both body and soul into hell.

I see that you did not describe one character as being fictional, and the other not.

Neither do I.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Skavau It isn't "my" behaviour and yet Elioenai is treating me (amongst others) with it. I am not and am never deliberately disrespectful towards theists in a serious discussion or debate. I say somewhat harsh things about what they believe but it is not done to antagonise or mock but to make specific points in favour of what I am arguing.

Elioenai however prefers to misrepresent what atheists say to him time and time again. He does this indiscriminately whether or not an atheist has actually wronged him or not.

I am not and am never deliberately disrespectful

That is very gracious of you

Exd 21:14
But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.
Hbr 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,
2Pe 3:5
And they deliberately forget that long ago, by God's word, the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water.

 

[Elioenai26]

Stop with the fake attitude. You know precisely what the problem is.

It isn't that you claim my views are wrong.

It is that you have repeatedly and intentionally lied about what my views actually are.

No, I take a dim view of anyone who does it.

And apparently you still haven't learned that putting words in the mouths of others isn't a good idea.

Because even if it happens to be true, you've done a crap job demonstrating that it is. That's been our point all along, "apologist".

Good job I talked about ridiculing your attitudes and not you, then isn't it?

As for good reasons, your repeated lies about atheists are a great example.

(Cue the same fake-innocent "but Mr Gadarene, where have I told lies" crap)

I see you are angry and your words are evidence of this.

But tell me, how have I intentionally lied about you. If you are unable to bear witness of the lies then you in fact are lying in saying that I have, and therefore prove yourself to be the very thing you accuse me of.

I know I have not lied in anything I have said in these posts, so your emotional outcries of dishonesty are simply untrue.

 

[Gadarene]

I see you are angry and your words are evidence of this.

But tell me, how have I intentionally lied about you. If you are unable to bear witness of the lies then you in fact are lying in saying that I have, and therefore prove yourself to be the very thing you accuse me of.

I know I have not lied in anything I have said in these posts, so your emotional outcries of dishonesty are simply untrue.

Fine, I retract that it's lying. You're obviously well-inured with this foolish idea that you know the truth about us better than we ourselves do, so you at least believe it to be true, however shaky a foundation it is based on.

Your actions are still bad form though, and not conducive to good debate, so I still want you to cut it the heck out and an apology. I don't want to see any more accusations that we aren't interested in truth, or claims that atheism is what it isn't.

 

[someguy14]

I don't want to see any more accusations that we aren't interested in truth,

God is truth.

All on this website are free to worship God. God is good.

 

[Gadarene]

God is truth.

All on this website are free to worship God. God is good.

And as soon as you lot have proven that and we concede their validity, your accusations of disinterest in truth will hold.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Fine, I retract that it's lying. You're obviously well-inured with this foolish idea that you know the truth about us better than we ourselves do, so you at least believe it to be true, however shaky a foundation it is based on.

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What about the cornerstone of the foundation built upon the Lord Jesus

Isaiah 28:16 Therefore thus says my Lord YAHWEH: "Behold! I lay in Zion a stone for a foundation, a tried stone, a precious cornerstone, a sure foundation;
Whoever believes will not act hastily.

1 Corin 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation and another builds on it.
But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

 

[someguy14]

And as soon as you lot have proven that and we concede their validity, your accusations of disinterest in truth will hold.

Gods word is eternal truth.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Try science on it, you have the claim. Believe in Jesus. Whole heartedly. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

 

[Gadarene]

What about the cornerstone of the foundation built upon the Lord Jesus

Whatever.

Look, even if you believe what some apologist told you and that us atheists deep down believe in Jesus or whatever the stupid point is - very few atheists will actually respond well to it, because regardless of the truth of the matter, they do think that they are justified in their nonbelief.

If you can't justify claiming that they believe otherwise, they will be understandably hacked off.

So maybe Christians just, y'know, shouldn't do that and keep it to themselves, and construct actual arguments instead that don't rely on that.

 

[Gadarene]

Gods word is eternal truth.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Try science on it, you have the claim. Believe. Whole heartedly. I guarantee you won't be disappointed.

I already did, and I was.

Cue next platitude.

 

[Elioenai26]

Fine, I retract that it's lying. You're obviously well-inured with this foolish idea that you know the truth about us better than we ourselves do, so you at least believe it to be true, however shaky a foundation it is based on.

Your actions are still bad form though, and not conducive to good debate, so I still want you to cut it the heck out and an apology. I don't want to see any more accusations that we aren't interested in truth, or claims that atheism is what it isn't.

Such indignation, such avaricious appeal to good and bad form!

If someone offers me something, and I refuse it, would you say that I was interested in that which I refused?

 

[someguy14]

I already did, and I was.

Cue next platitude.

Jesus is the truth. If you truely desire the truth, Jesus is the one that guides us into it. He resurrected from the dead! You have to admit that is awesome.