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Do you believe "the end justifies the means"?I am replying to @RDKirks statement. And yes - GOD created Evil as it is written, "
I am he that prepared light, and formed darkness; who make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord God, that does all these things." (Isaiah 45:7 Brentons Septuagint)
How is the main point of "FREE WILL" missed?You have completely ignored the main point - FREE WILL.
Do you hold a compatibilist or hard-deterministic position?I deny that God created morally free agents (or free will, if you will)
But were agents "free" in the sense that they could choose good or evil whether with or without the knowledge of the consequences?A morally free agent is a moral agent who can chose his actions free from constraint or consequences imposed by any other moral agent.
So you believe God did not know the free agent would choose evil at the moment God created it?You blame God for what others do with the exercise of their own free will.
For any being to do anything without being controlled, that being must have free will.
Free will can be abused, and it has.
So omnibenevolence logically produces evil?Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things..
Are you saying God created us to choose sin? Would you say that's the same as creating evil?we are set free from having to choose sin
Do you hold a compatibilist or hard-deterministic position?
But were agents "free" in the sense that they could choose good or evil whether with or without the knowledge of the consequences?
We must ask ourselves what it is that we are set free from when the Son sets us free. Ourselves? Satan? No, we are set free from having to choose sin. We are inclined to sin - servants subject to choose a path that God did not choose for us.
Yes, so you are saying that by God creating free agents He Himself caused the absence of Good?Evil isn't a separately existing thing. So God didn't create it. But I agree that he created people knowing that they would choose to do evil things.
If omnibenevolence produces evil, how can we be judged for producing evil?Which is why men ought always pray!
Are you saying God created us to choose sin? Would you say that's the same as creating evil?
So in your view freedom only exists with no commands or moral directions; so when God gave a command He took away their freedom and created evil, true?Once God uttered a command, they were no longer free--there were then moral restraints and consequences that became determinant factors in their choices.
So a person is free if there are no moral commands? Wouldn't this mean that the robot is free and the free agent isn't?There is no such thing as "'free' in a sense." There is "free" and there is "not free."
What word would you prefer instead of "create"? Produce? Cause?As Hedrick has said, "evil" is not a thing in itself to be created.
Like darkness is not a created thing. There are no particles from which dark is made. Light is a created thing. We call the condition of the absence of light "darkness," but darkness is not a thing.
Did God not know He was causing evil by creating free agents?Evil is completely dependent on the good. The word 'evil' is just a way of describing the lack of goodness. Like the word darkness describes the lack of light.
Since God is the source and definition of all goodness, nothing that He does can be evil. Whatever God does, just by His very doing it, makes it good.
So, in whatever respect that a creature is evil, it is in that respect that God has no part. We call that part "Ungodly".
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