Progress in abiogenesis research

[biggles53]

Creationist: If abiogenesis is true, then you should be able to show in a lab that amino acids can emerge from simple chemicals through abiotic processes.

Scientist: That's exactly what we did.

Creationist: Ok, what I said before doesn't count anymore.

...and, if all else fails, shout..."Thalidomide...!" over and over........you never know, it might derail the thread in which you are badly failing......

 

[rjw]

Really? This surprises me, as those kinds of proteins that cause Alzeheimer's are a bit on the resilient side for being useful in life processes. Proteins that organic life uses normally can be easily broken apart and reformed into different configurations as the cell needs. These things are very rigid.

I think they argue that these things got the ball rolling before better enzymes came along. They played a part in breaking down other organic compounds?

But I am guessing here.

 

[rjw]

If my memory serves me correctly, the Miller-Urey experiment had to use a trap at the bottom to trap things that would have destroyed the amino acids before they were even formed (or shortly thereafter).

Nature has no such trap.

Nature goes part of the way to addressing your point:-

Mineral Catalysis and Prebiotic Synthesis: Montmorillonite-Catalyzed Formation of RNA


Never say "never" when it comes to nature.

 

[Radagast]

Check out the Miller-Urey experiment.

From 1953!

 

[biggles53]

From 1953!

And your problem with that year is....??

 

[Radagast]

Another problem associated with an understanding of a natural origin of life is the existence of enzymes.

Abiogenesis really requires a molecule arise naturally, that can self-replicate, and that can do interesting things (such as behaving like an enzyme). Proteins are, AFAIK, unlikely to be it. RNA is a better candidate, but still very unsatisfactory.

 

[AV1611VET]

Would Thalidomide constitute intelligent design?

Your anguish at being made a creationist comes through in most all of your posts.

It hurts these guys to say YES, doesn't it?

 

[Mr Strawberry]

It hurts these guys to say YES, doesn't it?

Clearly not half as much as the possibility of abiogenesis being a godless process hurts you, otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to resort to your nuclear option of screaming thalidomide. Someone else mentioned your anguish, I'd call your posts in this thread more a shriek of pain.

 

[MerlinJ]

... otherwise you wouldn't have felt the need to resort to your nuclear option of screaming thalidomide.

I don't understand. Is an argument about about birth defects and human folly, or something?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't understand. Is an argument about about birth defects and human folly, or something?

You have to know AV to understand (the guy with the MAD cartoon character for his avatar). He often brings it up in unrelated debates.