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Problems with Ezekiel 38-39 as Prophecy for Our Time

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It is others who are preoccupied with earthly Jerusalem, which is found in Revelation 11:8.


Heb 11:14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.


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Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.




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You seem to think that horses would be more practical than tanks, jeeps or other military equipment on the Golan Heights. This is not true at all. The New York Times printed a photo of Israeli soldiers standing in front of a line of tanks on the Golan Heights. Six tanks are visible in the photo but there could be more. The Israelis took the Golan Heights using tanks and they still use them there today. The terrain isn't so rough it prohibits vehicles. Also, Israel isn't using tanks because they are a rich country that can afford them, but because they are more effective and practical in modern war.

If Russia invaded with horses, it would be Israeli tanks against Russian horses. I'll bet on the tanks!





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A Brief History of the Golan Heights, Claimed by Israel and Syria
 
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So do you think Russia, never mentioned even once, is going to invade Israel and try to steal their cattle using spears and horses?
Dave, I don't think that is the weighty part of Ezekiel 38/39, to give it the literal interpretation you seem to be applying. The weighty part is that Israel is a sovereign nation again made up of Jews coming out of the from the nations they had been in exile to, back into the land.

Therefore, imo, a person has to consider the intent of 38:12-15.
 
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Which Israelites found in Romans 11:1-5 are you talking about?
Are you referring to the faithful "remnant" found in verse 5, or are you talking about the Baal worshipers which have rejected God's plan?


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Which Israelites found in Romans 11:1-5 are you talking about?
I am talking about the Israelites in Ezekiel 39:7. Does the pastor in the video cite specifically Ezekiel 39:7 or anything about Ezekiel 38-39? See if you can find a video of his on his interpretation of Ezekiel 38-39 (the topic of this thread) and post it.

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
 
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Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

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Yes there is the heavenly Jerusalem as well as the earthly one.
 
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No, I just believe that horses will also be involved.
 
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What do you have in the way of commentary specific to Ezekiel 39:7 ?

Ezekiel 39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
 
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Do you think the real Israel is only those people who call themselves Israel?
No, Jesus said; I have other sheep.....
Paul said; They are not all Israel who are natural Israelites, [Jews].... Romans 9:6-8

My people, the Israel of God, can only be people who believe in Him and are born again Christians.
The fake Israel is the Jewish State of Israel, a people who actively oppose Christianity and are prophesied to be destroyed. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18
Unfortunately, many who are true descendants of Jacob; from all the 12 tribes, DO pollute His Name.
They will be gathered, but will not enter the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-38
 
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Yes there is the heavenly Jerusalem as well as the earthly one.

Which one is found below shortly before the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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Marilyn,

From your post, you regard Joel 1&2 as a military invasion of Israel by cavalry, soldiers on horseback. The first two chapters of Joel describe an infestation of locusts and possibly other insects. It is insects that are eating grain and other crops, not enemy soldiers who are seizing the crops.

For centuries, commentators have thought that the locusts in Joel are insects, that locusts means locusts. Recently, some who speculate on the end times have jumped to the conclusion that the army of locusts is instead an invasion by a hostile foreign army bent on destruction.

John Gill is one of the most famous and respected historical commentators on the Bible. Below, I have quoted some of Gill's comments on the second Chapter of Joel.

Joel 2:3:
A fire devoureth before them, and behind them aflame burneth

Gill
“This is not to be understood of the heat of the sun, or of the great drought that went before and continued after the locusts; but of them themselves, which were like a consuming fire; wherever they came, they devoured all green grass, herbs, and leaves of trees, as fire does stubble ...”

Joel 2:4
The appearance of them [is] as the appearance of horses

Gill
“...whoever thoroughly examines the head of a locust will easily perceive that it is very like the
head of a horse...”


Joel 2:5
Like the noise of chariots on the tops of that mountains shall they leap

Gill
“The motion of the locusts is leaping from place to place; for which the locusts have legs peculiarly made, their hindermost being the longest ...”

More Joel 2:5
like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble;
as a strong people set in battle array:

Gill
“ ...as the noise of a mighty army prepared for battle, just going to make the onset, when they lift up their voices aloud, and give a terrible shout; for this clause, as the other two, refer to the noise made by the locusts in their march..."

Joel 2:6
Before their face the people shall be much pained

Gill
“... into such distress an army of locusts would throw them, since they might justly fear all the fruits of
the earth would be devoured by them, and they should have nothing left to live upon;”


Joel 2:8
they shall not be wounded

Gill
“...their numbers being so great, the loss of a few by the use of a sword, or a dart, or any such flying projectile, as the word signifies, would be of little consequence...”


Joel 2:9
They shall run to and fro in the city

Gill
“Leap about from place to place, as locusts do ...”


More Joel 2:9
they shall climb up upon the houses, and enter in at the windows, like a thief;

Gill“...so the locusts entered into the houses of the Egyptians, ( Exodus 10:6 ) ; and Pliny says, they
will eat through everything, even the doors of houses...
‘but even [we have often seen] it done by locusts; for not only flying, but even creeping up the walls, they enter into houses at the windows.’”


Joel 2:10
the sun and moon shall be dark

Gill
“... the locusts sometimes come in such large numbers as to intercept the rays of the sun.”


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Joel Commentary - John Gill's Exposition of the Bible
 
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John Gill was 100% wrong about this.
He was just like the ECF's and every other expositor up until now; unable to understand the prophesies. Matthew 11:25

It WILL be heat from the sun that will literally fulfil Joel 2 and the 100 + other prophesies about the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, Isaiah 30:26a clearly says it.

The Gog from Magog attack will be a literal army.
 
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But they do not say anything about Russia. Have you considered Ezekiel 38-39 were fulfilled in Esther's time?

No, because God`s word tells us the timing, the beginning of`The Day of the Lord,` which is unlike any other time on earth.

`Blow a trumpet in Zion....for the Day of the Lord is coming, for it is at hand...` (Joel 2: 1 )

Russia is the only nation in the FAR NORTH (northern quarter of the earth) as God`s word tells us. (Joel 2: 20, Ez. 38: 15)
 
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`Blow a trumpet in Zion.....for the Day of the Lord is coming, for it is at hand....A PEOPLE COME, GREAT & STRONG.....` (Joel 2: 1 & 2)
 
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We see that God`s word is talking about earthly Jerusalem which is under the chastisement of the Lord till He comes to deliver and reveal Himself to them.

`The Lord will save the tents of Judah first so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater then that of Judah,

In the Day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem,......It shall be in that Day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of Grace and supplication; then they will look on me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for him as one grieves for a first-born.` (Zech. 12: 7 - 10)
 
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...it doesn't get any further north than Russia.
 
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