Pro-Choice?

[Confess]

Sorry. I guess I spoke too soon. I apologize. (No sarcasm intended.)

Not a big deal.

 

[MooCar93]

Just think, my life wouldn't be as great as it is today had you the power to wield the sword.

People who advocate death, scare me.

Except that pro-choice activists aren't forcing abortions on happy expectant mothers. We are preserving their ability to make their own choices, unlike pro-lifers who insist on forcing their will on everyone else.

BTW... people who insist on forcing their morals on others, regardless of the consequences or the impact on the world around them, scare me.

 

[JGG]

That is such bull. You and I started out the same. You are no different then that "mass of tissue" you abvocate killing.

I'm quite a bit different. Most importantly, I possess a brain. When that clump of cells develops a brain, I can see it as an individual, but before that its just a clump of cells.

Is life so bad that you wouldn't want to others to live it as well? Is that what an atheists life is like?

What an odd thing to say. Is it possible that you're projecting your own feelings onto me?

 

[HannahBanana]

Because they are adults and not children. They did the deed and should act like an adult. People today are so pampered it is a wonder they can pay their bills. No one forced them. And for those few women who were forced (raped) and became pregnant, they too are adults. 9 months of pregnancy isn't that terribly bad. What is bad is when everyone turns their back on you just because they want you to kill rather then do the right thing.

Doing what is right is not always going to be easy. Life isn't easy.

What if the woman is a drug addict, an alcoholic, or is suicidal to the point of needing presciption medications which she couldn't go off of during pregnancy?

What if she ends up denying that she's pregnant at all and then kills her child immediately after birth (this actually happens quite often in poorer communities)?

What if she puts the child up for adoption, but the child ends up just being shuffled from foster home to foster home until he/she is 18, at which point, he/she is just expected to know how to live on his/her own?

What if she's in an abusive relationship, which she is not strong enough to get out of, and she is against adoption, so the child ends up being abused by his/her father for years on end?

The world is not the rainbow-filled happyland that you seem to think it is. Nor is this issue as black and white as you're making it out to be. Not all unexpected pregnancies have happy endings when you force the woman to gestate them, even if she puts the child up for adoption. The American adoption system is nowhere near perfect, and there are currently hundreds of thousands of children already waiting to be adopted. Why add thousands more to that number? Or why add thousands more children to the huge number of people living in poverty in this country?

 

[MooCar93]

Because they are adults and not children. They did the deed and should act like an adult. People today are so pampered it is a wonder they can pay their bills. No one forced them. And for those few women who were forced (raped) and became pregnant, they too are adults. 9 months of pregnancy isn't that terribly bad. What is bad is when everyone turns their back on you just because they want you to kill rather then do the right thing.

Doing what is right is not always going to be easy. Life isn't easy.

Wow. Just wow.

Let me get this straight. Being forced to carry the child of the man who brutally raped you and endure the ordeal of childbirth is not such a big deal? My mom almost DIED having me. Do you know what that means? She went through nine months of hell to bring me into this world. How dare you insinuate that pregnancy and birth, especially when it's following something as traumatizing as a rape at age 15 (and a 15-year-old is NOT an adult), is no big deal.

Extremist pro-lifers frighten me immeasurably. Women only matter to them until the umbilical cord is cut - then they're nothing more than walking uteruses.

 

[Confess]

Exactly. So why should women who are not ready for that sort of leeching, and who are morally against adoption, be forced into it?

Also, how can one justify being "morally" against adoption yet "morally" for killing?

That is saying, I would rather kill then allow it a chance to be happy.

I had a friend say that exact same thing to me. I offered to pay for her whole pregnancy, I offered to adopt, I offered to continue babysitting for free on top of paying for everything.

She said she couldn't afford having this baby and therefore "had" to kill it.

She owned 2 champion Great Danes which she could have sold, but acted like I was insane for telling her to get rid of them so that she can care for her child.

You see, this is the problem. Anyone can kill for any reason. Their own luxuries are more important then their children.

Angie, ended up marrying the man whose baby she killed. They later had another baby ... keeping that one.

But the abortion was a huge wedge and their divorce came within the next year.

Angie was nearly successful at committing suicide 2 years after the abortion.

Her mother said abort, her sisters said abort, her lover said abort. I said don't. She told me that I was the only one who said, "no".

The whole event as well as the events that followed was so painful that we are no longer friends. I think of her a lot, and hope that she has regained her life back.

You see, she caved in to what others were saying and it nearly killed her as well as nearly making her oldest son an orphan.

Sure, there are some stories out there that have women killing their children who never look back. I don't doubt that. But after 15 years. I have only read of their existance and never met them.

But boy, have I met the hurting. Wow, have I met the hurting.

 

[HannahBanana]

Also, how can one justify being "morally" against adoption yet "morally" for killing?

Unless you're against the death penalty, war, killing animals, cutting down trees, and killing bacteria, I'd have to say that you yourself are for killing others. There is no logical reason that any living thing on this planet should have to die. But they do. And until I see the pro-life community as a whole doing something to curb ALL deaths on this planet, I will not take that community seriously.

I had a friend say that exact same thing to me. I offered to pay for her whole pregnancy, I offered to adopt, I offered to continue babysitting for free on top of paying for everything.

She said she couldn't afford having this baby and therefore "had" to kill it.

She owned 2 champion Great Danes which she could have sold, but acted like I was insane for telling her to get rid of them so that she can care for her child.

You see, this is the problem. Anyone can kill for any reason. Their own luxuries are more important then their children.

Angie, ended up marrying the man whose baby she killed. They later had another baby ... keeping that one.

But the abortion was a huge wedge and their divorce came within the next year.

Angie was nearly successful at committing suicide 2 years after the abortion.

Her mother said abort, her sisters said abort, her lover said abort. I said don't. She told me that I was the only one who said, "no".

The whole event as well as the events that followed was so painful that we are no longer friends. I think of her a lot, and hope that she has regained her life back.

You see, she caved in to what others were saying and it nearly killed her as well as nearly making her oldest son an orphan.

Sure, there are some stories out there that have women killing their children who never look back. I don't doubt that. But after 15 years. I have only read of their existance and never met them.

But boy, have I met the hurting. Wow, have I met the hurting.

Not all women get abortions for selfish reasons, and not all women who get abortions regret it. In fact, here's a site with (literally) thousands of true stories of women who have gotten abortion and have not regretted doing so at all: http://www.imnotsorry.net. Check it out, I can promise it will enlighten you.

 

[Confess]

Except that pro-choice activists aren't forcing abortions on happy expectant mothers. We are preserving their ability to make their own choices, unlike pro-lifers who insist on forcing their will on everyone else.

BTW... people who insist on forcing their morals on others, regardless of the consequences or the impact on the world around them, scare me.

That again makes no sense.

You actually LOVE them. You feel safe because of them. They keep the morals of our country high so that you are safe in your home. So that no one will try to hurt you without getting justice. They prevent men from raping you and put those who would dare cross OUR moral laws to be punished for breaking our moral crime.

Sure the rapist hates you for forcing your morals on him. So too does the murderer, stalker etc.

But you are happy, aren't you.

 

[MooCar93]

That again makes no sense.

You actually LOVE them. You feel safe because of them. They keep the morals of our country high so that you are safe in your home. So that no one will try to hurt you without getting justice. They prevent men from raping you and put those who would dare cross OUR moral laws to be punished for breaking our moral crime.

Sure the rapist hates you for forcing your morals on him. So too does the murderer, stalker etc.

But you are happy, aren't you.

And that makes no sense either. How is my being pro-choice forcing my morals on rapists?

 

[Confess]

Unless you're against the death penalty, war, killing animals, cutting down trees, and killing bacteria, I'd have to say that you yourself are for killing others. There is no logical reason that any living thing on this planet should have to die. But they do. And until I see the pro-life community as a whole doing something to curb ALL deaths on this planet, I will not take that community seriously.

Not all women get abortions for selfish reasons, and not all women who get abortions regret it. In fact, here's a site with (literally) thousands of true stories of women who have gotten abortion and have not regretted doing so at all: http://www.imnotsorry.net. Check it out, I can promise it will enlighten you.

Yes, I have read sites like that which is why I said I have read about them, yet never have met them.

I have found that I fit in to many of the women's stories, but I chose life.

I was dirt poor for 10 of the currently 17 years of my marriage. I remember making an annual $17,000.

To this day, my children have no grandparents, aunts and uncles. Right now, my body over-reacts to pregnancy and my life is in jeopordy for continuing the pregnancy.

My housekeeping suffers, our income and luxuries suffer, my homeschooling suffers and I am a crab!

But.

One thing I have found after having 7 children (6 of the 7 labors were done with NO pain meds) is that each one of the children have done nothing but enriched my life.

When Adrea Yates from Texas killed all 5 of her children, I found myself pregnant with my 5th son.

It was horrible. The whole world was in shock over what she did to her children. She was a woman just like me.

Do you know how the public acted toward me because of her story?

I was in the Winn Dixie grocery store when approached while I was 8+ months pregnant and walking VERY slowly. A man told me that I had to many children and that I should have aborted because after all, look at Andrea Yates.

My husband was told by others that when I go crazy like Adrea Yates, they will testify against him to prove that my husband forced this "horrible" life on me.

Nearly everytime I walked out of the house, I was met with negativity! I fell into such a depression and my immune system began to fail 9 weeks before Timmy was born. I cursed my son and wished that my sorrow would kill him.

For 8 weeks I coughed so hard that I thought my ribs would break. There was no known medicine to cure me. No antibiotics, no cough syrup, nothing. My ammune system was down to its bare minimum.

I don't know why. But in that 8th week I tried a cough drop called "Fisherman's Friend" and my coughing stopped. The 9th week, Timmy was born. I felt my life slipping away during labor but soon made it.

Timmy is an amazing little man (now 5 years old). He really loves me. He calls me his best buddy. He has always been the biggest smiler in the family with the most astounding love for life.

At my weakest point. I sincerely wanted him dead.

Thank God I had a tough supportive husband who "pushed" his morals on me. Had I killed that boy ... I can't tell you how it might have ruined my life as well as the lives of my 4 other children at that time.

Just because we hit a low point in our life, doesn't mean it is ok to kill.

 

[Confess]

And that makes no sense either. How is my being pro-choice forcing my morals on rapists?

We force our morals on a rapist by telling them that it is morally wrong to rape.

All our laws are moral laws. We force them on each other everyday. Abortion is just another one of those issues that many people think should not be "morally forced" on them.

As I said before. If we were to stop rapists, pedophile, etc. They would be happy as would you is abortion and those other laws stayed out of our lawbooks.

 

[HannahBanana]

Yes, I have read sites like that which is why I said I have read about them, yet never have met them.

I have found that I fit in to many of the women's stories, but I chose life.

I was dirt poor for 10 of the currently 17 years of my marriage. I remember making an annual $17,000.

To this day, my children have no grandparents, aunts and uncles. Right now, my body over-reacts to pregnancy and my life is in jeopordy for continuing the pregnancy.

My housekeeping suffers, our income and luxuries suffer, my homeschooling suffers and I am a crab!

But.

One thing I have found after having 7 children (6 of the 7 labors were done with NO pain meds) is that each one of the children have done nothing but enriched my life.

When Adrea Yates from Texas killed all 5 of her children, I found myself pregnant with my 5th son.

It was horrible. The whole world was in shock over what she did to her children. She was a woman just like me.

Do you know how the public acted toward me because of her story?

I was in the Winn Dixie grocery store when approached while I was 8+ months pregnant and walking VERY slowly. A man told me that I had to many children and that I should have aborted because after all, look at Andrea Yates.

My husband was told by others that when I go crazy like Adrea Yates, they will testify against him to prove that my husband forced this "horrible" life on me.

Nearly everytime I walked out of the house, I was met with negativity! I fell into such a depression and my immune system began to fail 9 weeks before Timmy was born. I cursed my son and wished that my sorrow would kill him.

For 8 weeks I coughed so hard that I thought my ribs would break. There was no known medicine to cure me. No antibiotics, no cough syrup, nothing. My ammune system was down to its bare minimum.

I don't know why. But in that 8th week I tried a cough drop called "Fisherman's Friend" and my coughing stopped. The 9th week, Timmy was born. I felt my life slipping away during labor but soon made it.

Timmy is an amazing little man (now 5 years old). He really loves me. He calls me his best buddy. He has always been the biggest smiler in the family with the most astounding love for life.

At my weakest point. I sincerely wanted him dead.

Thank God I had a tough supportive husband who "pushed" his morals on me. Had I killed that boy ... I can't tell you how it might have ruined my life as well as the lives of my 4 other children at that time.

Just because we hit a low point in our life, doesn't mean it is ok to kill.

Why do you expect all women to share your morals? Face it, some women are fine with the idea of abortion. Why should they consider it to be "bad" just because you think that it's so? Why should your morals trump theirs in that situation? This country was founded on freedom, you know. Why not let women have the freedom to control their bodies and the contents therein?

 

[Confess]

I must end my responces here and care for the children. Had fun!!!

 

[B®ent]

I'm not a Christian, but I definetly despise abortion, today my family had some friends over and I listened in on my brother in law stating he was "pro-choice", when I heard this, I became slightly disturbed, I brought it up with my sister and her response was "well of course, we are all pro-choice", I argued with her that instead of killing the fetus people should consider adoption, her take on it was that 1/10 of every orphan gets adopted and the rest are sent to institutions, therefore she attempted to justify that it woudl be better to abort that unwanted fetus than to let it grow up in an orphaned lifestyle.

This conversation got started because one of my sister's friends is a few weeks pregnant, especially gut-churning was to sit there doing my homework and listen to her conversation "obviously you are not the type of person to get an abortion because you are willing to raise it, for certain people it's okay, for you it's obviously not."

However, for me this just doesn't cut it, my sister claims to believe in "God" but she like most other people twist and rehash things to be more "considerative" and "open minded."

My sister supports homosexuality, I certaintly don't want it banned from the country, and people can practice whatever they want under their free rights, but I don't think "God made them that way" and this is what my sister asserts, she thinks of homosexuality as God's "natural birth control."

The problem with her logic is that if she supports "God's natural birth control" why does she approve of some atrocity as a small living human organism being plucked from the whom with a pair of tweezers? When I told her I disagreed, she mocked me, calling me ignorant and making a joke of my perspective, I, on the other hand, found nothing hillarious at all to do with it, she even thought it was funny to say "the reason I'm pro-choice is because of your existence", I kept my words inside my head, but I wanted to say: "well then, do enjoy the taste of fire and brimstone."

I honestly think my sister is a complete and total idiot, how can anyone who believes in God be so incredibly stupid to approve of abortion? Abortion is exceptional in the rarest of occasions, and I mean, life or death occasions, not a third option for being an irresponsible puke, to try and justify it saying "just because they are aborted doesn't mean that their souls don't go to heaven", HERE'S A BETTER QUESTION: IF GOD TRUELY DOESN'T OPPOSE THIS IDEA WHY PUT THE LIFE IN THE WHOM IN THE FIRST PLACE????

A few times I've tried to embrace Christianity but my family would badily ridicule me for it, if I'm not this "liberalist" or I'm for "pro-choice" I'm ignorant and close minded, I'm a "religious nut, a zealot", why is society deluding itself like this? It's all because of a little thing they call "religious bigotry", even though it's more of a cop out of a person's responsibilities, their actions and the consequences that follow, today I felt great grief for all of the lives that are lost due to the practice of abortional surgery, and, if a creator truely put them there, how evil it is for man to dispense of life like garbage, and to not want to be held accountable.

My friend, you are on the right path.

Do not be concerned with what your family says. Jesus Christ was hated to the point of being crucified. His Apostles were hated. Today, Bible-believing Christians are almost universally hated; not only by secularists, but by religious apostates as well.

Oh, how better is it to be hated by the world for a short time, than to be hated by God on judgment day and for all eternity! As Christ said in Matthew 25:46, And these (the unbelieving, the covetous, the sodomites, etc.) shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

My friend, I encourage you to join us.
We shall be hated together.

 

[Confess]

Why do you expect all women to share your morals? Face it, some women are fine with the idea of abortion. Why should they consider it to be "bad" just because you think that it's so? Why should your morals trump theirs in that situation? This country was founded on freedom, you know. Why not let women have the freedom to control their bodies and the contents therein?

So I lied. Just one more. Don't make me lie again!!!!

Killing is killing.

I wish that no one would kill. Killing a child who is that young is no different in my eyes then killing anyone else. If you like the murder laws as they are, then great! But know that there are people out there that feel that murder is a good thing and hate these laws.

There are people out there who are cruel to animals. They absolutely hate it when "nosey" neighbors stick their nose into thier business and tell on them for abusing their animals. They say things like, "It MY dog!!! I bought it with MY money, I should have the right to do whatever I want with it!"

It is sad that we can enforce our morals on a dog owner to keep a overpopulated animal happy and healthy ... but not a human.

 

[HannahBanana]

My friend, you are on the right path.

Do not be concerned with what your family says. Jesus Christ was hated to the point of being crucified. His Apostles were hated. Today, Bible-believing Christians are almost universally hated; not only by secularists, but by religious apostates as well.

Oh, how better is it to be hated by the world for a short time, than to be hated by God on judgment day and for all eternity! As Christ said in Matthew 25:46, And these (the unbelieving, the covetous, the sodomites, etc.) shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

My friend, I encourage you to join us.
We shall be hated together.

Can you give any logical, factual reasons for being against abortion?

 

[HannahBanana]

So I lied. Just one more. Don't make me lie again!!!!

Killing is killing.

I wish that no one would kill. Killing a child who is that young is no different in my eyes then killing anyone else. If you like the murder laws as they are, then great! But know that there are people out there that feel that murder is a good thing and hate these laws.

There are people out there who are cruel to animals. They absolutely hate it when "nosey" neighbors stick their nose into thier business and tell on them for abusing their animals. They say things like, "It MY dog!!! I bought it with MY money, I should have the right to do whatever I want with it!"

It is sad that we can enforce our morals on a dog owner to keep a overpopulated animal happy and healthy ... but not a human.

The difference between that dog and a first-trimester fetus is that the fetus is not conscious at all, and the dog is. Also, the dog is not living inside anyone's body, while the fetus is. Those things make a huge difference in how okay it is to kill something, at least in my opinion.

 

[Confess]

The difference between that dog and a first-trimester fetus is that the fetus is not conscious at all, and the dog is. Also, the dog is not living inside anyone's body, while the fetus is. Those things make a huge difference in how okay it is to kill something, at least in my opinion.

So, those are your distinctions. The dog owner says, "Who cares about conscientiousness, I OWN THAT THING! Besides, it is a vastly overpopulated animal, who cares!"

Meanwhile you say, "Who cares, it has no consciousness therefore I should be able to do whatever I want."

Either way, you are both the same criminal. You both ended something that was alive, regardless of what you consider worthy of life.

OK DARN IT!!! I HAVE TO GO!!! grrrr

 

[B®ent]

Confess,

The sad reality is, these people care MUCH more about dogs than they do for human life.

 

[momalle1]

My friend, you are on the right path.

Do not be concerned with what your family says. Jesus Christ was hated to the point of being crucified. His Apostles were hated. Today, Bible-believing Christians are almost universally hated; not only by secularists, but by religious apostates as well.

Oh, how better is it to be hated by the world for a short time, than to be hated by God on judgment day and for all eternity! As Christ said in Matthew 25:46, And these (the unbelieving, the covetous, the sodomites, etc.) shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

My friend, I encourage you to join us.
We shall be hated together.

They used etc. in the Bible? That's quite a liberal interpretation you make using the word of God.

Does anyone else find it amazing that out of a book the size of the Bible, some people seem to have agenda specific quotes available at a moment's notice?