Pro-Choice?

[HannahBanana]

That is a factual and accurate source.There is no better evidence then a Ultrasound imaging of an actual abortion.What better sorce then (Dr. B. Nathanson) a former abortionist? Please watch the video then tell me if it was a accurate source or not.God Bless

Can you provide non-biased proof of its supposed factual accuracy? Then, and only then, will I watch it. Otherwise, I will not waste my time.

 

[JGG]

Check out these Ultrasound imaging videos of the silent victims of abortion...narrated by Dr. B. Nathanson,A former abortionist (check out part 3).God Bless


http://www.silentscream.org/video1.htm

At 42 days (5-6 weeks), it lacks lungs, a brain, a heart, a central nervous system, skin, hair, a mouth, a nose, or eyes, its shorter than an eyelash, and still isn't classified as a fetus (its an embryo). Your video there (which I can barely see anyway) seems to have nothing to do with your original point of 42 days, and is yet another emotional appeal that I'm just going to ignore.

Sorry.

 

[KomissarSteve]

That is a factual and accurate source.There is no better evidence then a Ultrasound imaging of an actual abortion.What better sorce then (Dr. B. Nathanson) a former abortionist? Please watch the video then tell me if it was a accurate source or not.God Bless

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ne.../abortion-access/anti-abortion-video-6136.htm

Not all physicians agree, evidently.

 

[loudatheist101]

I think abortion should be a choice, but rare. If you really did not want to abort the baby, then try to find an adoption center or something, if you want to abort it, go ahead. It's your body.

Also, I think if a baby grew up with a teenage couple who wanted to abort the baby but couldnt, (if abortion was banned) that baby will have a very poor life. Notice how children born into teenage couples do not do so well.

 

[Confess]

Also, I think if a baby grew up with a teenage couple who wanted to abort the baby but couldnt, (if abortion was banned) that baby will have a very poor life. Notice how children born into teenage couples do not do so well.

That makes no sense. I was born to an adult couple and had a miserable childhood. Now I am loving life with my all my children, awesome husband and wonderful home.

My husband was born to a 17 year old mother whose father was in the Veitnam war and divorced her when he was 3yrs old. He never met his father and his mother has mental issues. He left home before he was able to drive and hitched from NC to California.

Just think, my life wouldn't be as great as it is today had you the power to wield the sword.

People who advocate death, scare me.

 

[Confess]

At 42 days (5-6 weeks), it lacks lungs, a brain, a heart, a central nervous system, skin, hair, a mouth, a nose, or eyes, its shorter than an eyelash, and still isn't classified as a fetus (its an embryo). Your video there (which I can barely see anyway) seems to have nothing to do with your original point of 42 days, and is yet another emotional appeal that I'm just going to ignore.

Sorry.

Regardless of how "old" a person is when they are aborted, the facts are simple.

That once was you.

 

[HannahBanana]

Regardless of how "old" a person is when they are aborted, the facts are simple.

That once was you.

So what? It's not like a fetus is conscious or aware of life in any form during first-trimester abortions. I fail to see your point in bringing that up. It actually seems like you were trying to appeal to our emotions, which isn't exactly the best debating tactic. Focus on facts, mkay? Thanks.

 

[HannahBanana]

People who advocate death, scare me.

How is being pro-choice "advocating death"? We're fine with women keeping their children or giving them up for adoption, as long as that is the best choice for them. It's not like we expect every single woman with an unwanted pregnancy to abort. We don't, actually. We just expect for her to do what's right according to her morals and her feelings, not the feelings of a bunch of stuffy male Christian politicians who will never be in her situation.

 

[Confess]

Evidence of soul, or spirit please.

I don't mean to sound mean or anything. But when you are advocating killing a person based on their age and location, then I would have to wonder about your own soul and spirit. Is it that far gone that you are that immune to the welfare of your neighbor, son, daughter, grandchild, niece or nephew?

Some of us value life. Should those who do not value it be the ones in control? I thought we learned our lesson from Adolf Hitler (as well as China and other countries including ourself during WW2) how nasty life becomes when death is considered to be nothing.

We all became beasts.

 

[JGG]

Regardless of how "old" a person is when they are aborted, the facts are simple.

That once was you.

No, no. I'm me. I am the product of the circumstances that have lead me to this point. I could also credit my existence to the fact that my parents decided to have sex on Wednesday night instead of Thursday night. Had they waited, I would not exist. I have no ill will toward people who have sex on Thursday nights though.

I don't mean to sound mean or anything. But when you are advocating killing a person based on their age and location, then I would have to wonder about your own soul and spirit. Is it that far gone that you are that immune to the welfare of your neighbor, son, daughter, grandchild, niece or nephew?

Some of us value life. Should those who do not value it be the ones in control? I thought we learned our lesson from Adolf Hitler (as well as China and other countries including ourself during WW2) how nasty life becomes when death is considered to be nothing.

We all became beasts.

But, its not a person. Its a collection of cells, not particularly different from my hair. I get my hair cut at least once a month, with no second thought to the cells that may die as a result.

 

[HannahBanana]

I don't mean to sound mean or anything. But when you are advocating killing a person based on their age and location, then I would have to wonder about your own soul and spirit. Is it that far gone that you are that immune to the welfare of your neighbor, son, daughter, grandchild, niece or nephew?

Some of us value life. Should those who do not value it be the ones in control? I thought we learned our lesson from Adolf Hitler (as well as China and other countries including ourself during WW2) how nasty life becomes when death is considered to be nothing.

We all became beasts.

A fetus is not a person, though. It leeches its nutrients, blood, and oxygen off of its mother, and it has no consciousness, nor any concept of existance as we know it. So why should it be treated as being more important than the mother? Why should the mother be forced to gestate the pregnancy, even if she's not financially, mentally, or emotionally prepared for motherhood, and even if she's totally against adoption?

 

[Confess]

So what? It's not like a fetus is conscious or aware of life in any form during first-trimester abortions. I fail to see your point in bringing that up. It actually seems like you were trying to appeal to our emotions, which isn't exactly the best debating tactic. Focus on facts, mkay? Thanks.

Prove that it doesn't.

Your the one who is in favor of destroying life, the burden of proof is in your hands, not mine.

The fact is that one life has the power of changing history. And you seem to not care. One life that was aborted 19+ years ago could have been the person that forever changed your life for the better. But you will never know that, because all you think about is the burdens that children are to people. It is short-sightedness.

Sure some children lead great lives from conception through adulthood and into old age.

But most don't. Most of us deal with the harships of life from time to time with great moments here and there. Fond memories, loves and charished relationships.

Why would you want to take that from a person?

 

[Confess]

No, no. I'm me. I am the product of the circumstances that have lead me to this point. I could also credit my existence to the fact that my parents decided to have sex on Wednesday night instead of Thursday night. Had they waited, I would not exist. I have no ill will toward people who have sex on Thursday nights though.



But, its not a person. Its a collection of cells, not particularly different from my hair. I get my hair cut at least once a month, with no second thought to the cells that may die as a result.

That is such bull. You and I started out the same. You are no different then that "mass of tissue" you abvocate killing.

Is life so bad that you wouldn't want to others to live it as well? Is that what an atheists life is like?

 

[HannahBanana]

Confess, is there any reason that you're not replying to my posts to you in this thread?

 

[Confess]

A fetus is not a person, though. It leeches its nutrients, blood, and oxygen off of its mother, and it has no consciousness, nor any concept of existance as we know it. So why should it be treated as being more important than the mother? Why should the mother be forced to gestate the pregnancy, even if she's not financially, mentally, or emotionally prepared for motherhood, and even if she's totally against adoption?

You call yourself a leech if you want. But remember, a child will "leech" from you from the time of conception until well after it dies.

Parenthood is constantly giving.

 

[Confess]

Confess, is there any reason that you're not replying to my posts to you in this thread?

yes, I can only type so fast with my 1 year old girl sitting in front of me as I type.

 

[HannahBanana]

You call yourself a leech if you want. But remember, a child will "leech" from you from the time of conception until well after it dies.

Parenthood is constantly giving.

Exactly. So why should women who are not ready for that sort of leeching, and who are morally against adoption, be forced into it?

 

[HannahBanana]

yes, I can only type so fast with my 1 year old girl sitting in front of me as I type.

Sorry. I guess I spoke too soon. I apologize. (No sarcasm intended.)

 

[Confess]

How is being pro-choice "advocating death"? We're fine with women keeping their children or giving them up for adoption, as long as that is the best choice for them. It's not like we expect every single woman with an unwanted pregnancy to abort. We don't, actually. We just expect for her to do what's right according to her morals and her feelings, not the feelings of a bunch of stuffy male Christian politicians who will never be in her situation.

When I was pregnant with my second child. I went to Planned Parenthood to get a free test. We lived in a horrible mobile home, had 2 old vehicles and my husband made a mere $7.25 an hour.

I was very happy when they told me I was pregnant. I thought that by going to a place called "Planned Parenthood" that I was going to a family friendly place.

With a big smile on my face, the lady there asked to to speak to her privately.

In that room she did all she could to make me choose to kill Steven. I was only 22 years old at that time, I had no family and never thought someone would be so horrible as to try and convince me to do something so horrible to my child.

Never did they talk about adoption, never were they happy for me.

I have worked with many other women in the past 15 years. They too get pressured to kill rather then adopt or are given assistance.

I am sorry. 15 years is too long to wait for your side to sound pious.

 

[Confess]

Exactly. So why should women who are not ready for that sort of leeching, and who are morally against adoption, be forced into it?

Because they are adults and not children. They did the deed and should act like an adult. People today are so pampered it is a wonder they can pay their bills. No one forced them. And for those few women who were forced (raped) and became pregnant, they too are adults. 9 months of pregnancy isn't that terribly bad. What is bad is when everyone turns their back on you just because they want you to kill rather then do the right thing.

Doing what is right is not always going to be easy. Life isn't easy.