Pro-Choice?

[HannahBanana]

AHA! I finally found some relevant data

NOW for the good stuff!




And, the pice da resistance!!!!



There is the breath of life AT conception

That site was a JEWEL!

Praise God!

Nowhere in any of those articles was the word "breathe" used. I'm really getting a bit frustrated with you at this point, to be honest. :-/ Do you not get it that those articles refrain from using the word "breathe" for a reason?

 

[JGG]

There is the breath of life AT conception

Errrr...no. This article isn't about conception, but the formation of sperm. Also, it isn't referring to breathing, but something similar to oxidizing.

Rust oxidizes, but you would never concede that rust breathes, or that rust is alive. Although, Neil Young would tell you that Rust Never Sleeps.

 

[Zeena]

Nowhere in any of those articles was the word "breathe" used. I'm really getting a bit frustrated with you at this point, to be honest. :-/ Do you not get it that those articles refrain from using the word "breathe" for a reason?

Romans 2:1
Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

The word "BREATHE" you posted earlier
Is only part "1A" of the definition..

Originally Posted by Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary
Main Entry: breathe
Pronunciation: 'brE[th]
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): breathed; breath·ing
Etymology: Middle English brethen, from breth
intransitive verb
1 a : to draw air into and expel it from the lungs

I don't see how a first-trimester fetus (or a tree, for that matter) can breathe according to that definition. Do you?

The ENTIRE definition is found here -->

Main Entry: breathe
Pronunciation: 'brE[th]
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): breathed; breath·ing
Etymology: Middle English brethen, from breth
intransitive verb
1 a : to draw air into and expel it from the lungs : RESPIRE; broadly : to take in oxygen and give out carbon dioxide through natural processes b : to inhale and exhale freely
2 : [SIZE=-1]LIVE[/SIZE]
3 a obsolete : to emit a fragrance or aura b : to become perceptible : be expressed <a personality that breathes and that distinguishes his work -- Bennett Schiff>
4 : to pause and rest before continuing
5 : to blow softly
6 : to feel free of restraint <needs room to breathe>
7 of wine : to develop flavor and bouquet by exposure to air
8 a : to permit passage of air or vapor <a fabric that breathes> ...

You seem to be willfully ignoring fact here, WHY?
Have you had an abortion?
Are you attempting to justify someone who has?

Well, I'll tell you right here and now, they are ALREADY FORGIVEN by God because of Jesus!

respire

One entry found for respire. Main Entry: re·spire
Pronunciation: ri-'spI(-&)r
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): re·spired; re·spir·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin respirare, from re- + spirare to blow, breathe
intransitive verb
1 : [SIZE=-1]BREATHE[/SIZE]; specifically : to inhale and exhale air successively
2 of a cell or tissue : to take up oxygen and produce carbon dioxide through oxidation

 

[Zeena]

Rust oxidizes, but you would never concede that rust breathes, or that rust is alive. Although, Neil Young would tell you that Rust Never Sleeps.

There's no carbon reaction in rust,

Therefore it's not breathing..

Rust does not particiapte in gas exchange, for it doesn't give off carbondioxide.

 

[JGG]

There's no carbon reaction in rust,

Therefore it's not breathing..

Rust does not particiapte in gas exchange, for it doesn't give off carbondioxide.

Your articles don't show gas exchange. However, I will ask if you think fire is a living being?

BTW, your first article there isn't talking about breathing either, but the transformation of base chemicals into molecular oxygen. The fetus isn't taking oxygen, but transforming chemicals into a non-gas form of oxygen. Which defies your definition of breathing.

 

[Zeena]

Your articles don't show gas exchange. However, I will ask if you think fire is a living being?

Oh yea, there's gas exchange aight!

Artifical lungs are built for the express purpose of gas exchange!
Life REQUIRES breath!

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Fire only consumes oxygen, it does not emit carbondioxide. There is no gas exchange.

True, fire does emit nitrogen oxide as it consumes, but this is merely the byproduct of the consumed, and not of the fire itself.

The only reason carbodioxide is more prevalant in the air surrounding fire is due to the lack of oxygen, which it consumes.

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Speculative theory, for I have not studied this field..

 

[Zeena]

BTW, your first article there isn't talking about breathing either, but the transformation of base chemicals into molecular oxygen. The fetus isn't taking oxygen, but transforming chemicals into a non-gas form of oxygen. Which defies your definition of breathing.

It does NOT defy the definition of RESPIRATING!
The inhalation of an oxygen, the exhalation of a carbon.

REGARDLESS of the means in which this takes place.

 

[Zeena]

However, I will ask if you think fire is a living being?

How's about you tell me?

I'll tell you this much tho..

Fire is not a bio-molecular structure,
And as such, is not subject to definitions that pertain to bios.

 

[Zeena]

Your articles don't show gas exchange.

The fetus depends on the mother for placental exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide. This in turn relies on adequate maternal blood gas concentrations, uterine blood supply, placental transfer and fetal gas transport. Disruption of any of these can cause fetal hypoxia, which, despite compensatory mechanisms, may lead to acidosis. When severe and acute (lasting hours), but especially if prolonged (days or weeks), hypoxia and therefore acidosis, are associated with significant morbidity and mortality with potential long term sequelae.
Source]

SEE!

All lungs do, in developed humans, is facilitate gas exchange

 

[HannahBanana]

Uggh! I.give.up. You are obviously not going to budge in your wrongful assumptions about simple scientific facts, and I do not want to spend any more time trying to educate you when you obviously are not open to correcting yourself. Have a nice life and I'm sorry you can't seem to understand this simple, elementary fact.

 

[Zeena]

Uggh! I.give.up. You are obviously not going to budge in your wrongful assumptions about simple scientific facts

I'm not the only one!
hahaha!

and I do not want to spend any more time trying to educate you

I would GLADLY be spent for you beloved!

2 Corinthians 12:15
And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.

when you obviously are not open to correcting yourself.

1 Corinthians 2:16
For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

Have a nice life and I'm sorry you can't seem to understand this simple, elementary fact.

...

 

[JGG]

Oh yea, there's gas exchange aight!

Artifical lungs are built for the express purpose of gas exchange!
Life REQUIRES breath!

I agree. You're trying to show that a fetus breathes. You haven't done that yet.

Fire only consumes oxygen, it does not emit carbondioxide. There is no gas exchange.

Fire produces varying amounts of carbonmonoxide in gaseous form. So gas exchange does take place. Therefore, fire is a living being.

True, fire does emit nitrogen oxide as it consumes, but this is merely the byproduct of the consumed, and not of the fire itself.

Yeah, but carbon dioxide produced by humans is the byproduct of the tissue absorbing the oxygen. The mechanism is still the same. Oxygen is required to be converted to energy, the waste is given off as carbon dioxide.

It does NOT defy the definition of RESPIRATING!
The inhalation of an oxygen, the exhalation of a carbon.

REGARDLESS of the means in which this takes place.

But you just claimed above that gas exchange is a necessary part of the definition of a living thing.

Fire is not a bio-molecular structure,
And as such, is not subject to definitions that pertain to bios.

That has not been defined anywhere.

SEE!

But that's the mother doing the breathing. The mother is the one doing the gas exchange, and then passing the molecules on to the fetus. And as you have previously defined the capacity for gas exchange as a necessary characteristic of a living being, we can determine that a fetus is not breathing, and therefore not alive.

All lungs do, in developed humans, is facilitate gas exchange

And you yourself have defined gas exchange as being a necessary trait of living things. If a fetus doesn't have lungs, then gas exchange cannot take place, and therefore the fetus is not alive.

 

[Followers4christ]

if a 12-year-old girl is raped by a close relative, she needs to bear that child because the embryo's life is more important than hers.

That's all I really needed to know to remind me of why the pro-life movement frightens me. Thanks.

A child conceived through rape does not deserve the death penalty for his or her father's crime.God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

These are bald-faced lies, and the fact that you posted them leads me to believe that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. I am pro-choice. I argue that the choice is up to the woman whether to abort, to adopt, or to keep and raise her child. I dislike abortion greatly, and would like to see the numbers of women getting abortions drastically reduced. I just don't believe in curtailing access to abortion through legal means. I am completely in favor of adoption, and would gladly provide any pregnant woman moral support and as much financial support as I was able, in addition to directing her to other sources that could provide help for her.

Did you really think you could get away with posting such slanders against the pro-choice crowd, such obvious falsehoods? Nobody wins when both sides demonize the opposition to the point that a discussion can't even be held.

People who speak lies are scary to me and they cannot be trusted.

Remember that they are considered little children even when they are still in their mothers womb (Genesis 25:22).They belong to God even when they are still in their mother.Also remember that God considers little Children the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:3-4,Matthew 19:14) and what do you think God thinks of you when you kill his Children? No Child killer/Murderer will ever make it to God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8).Im sorry but you are not a Christian,Because you cannot support killing children and follow Christ at the same time.God hate's luke warm "So called" Christians (Revelation 3:15-16),Your either a 100% for Christ or you not for Christ at all.You cannot compromise on morality and be a Christian.

 

[MooCar93]

A child conceived through rape does not deserve the death penalty for his or her father's crime.God Bless

Again, we have the "I care less about women than a clump of cells" argument.

 

[MooCar93]

Remember that they are considered little children even when they are still in their mothers womb (Genesis 25:22).They belong to God even when they are still in their mother.Also remember that God considers little Children the greatest in the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 18:3-4,Matthew 19:14) and what do you think God thinks of you when you kill his Children? No Child killer/Murderer will ever make it to God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8).Im sorry but you are not a Christian,Because you cannot support killing children and follow Christ at the same time.God hate's luke warm "So called" Christians (Revelation 3:15-16),Your either a 100% for Christ or you not for Christ at all.You cannot compromise on morality and be a Christian.

And might I remind YOU of the verse that says "Who are you to judge another man's servant?"

 

[Followers4christ]

I hear abortions tickle... so for the sake of entertainment I hope they always remain legal.

So the killing of Children should stay legal for you entertainment? Think of what you are saying before you post again.God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

And might I remind YOU of the verse that says "Who are you to judge another man's servant?"

Matthew 7:1-5""Do not judge, or you too will be judged.For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."


All this scripture is saying if you judge someone and you are doing the same sin as the person you are judging,then you will also be judged in the same manner.God hates hypocrites and if you judge someone yet you are a hypocrites you will also be judged.If you judge someone make sure you are not guilty of the same sin.1 Corinthians 6:2 "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?".God Bless

 

[MooCar93]

All this scripture is saying if you judge someone and you are doing the same sin as the person you are judging,then you will also be judged in the same manner.God hates hypocrites and if you judge someone yet you are a hypocrites you will also be judged.If you judge someone make sure you are not guilty of the same sin.1 Corinthians 6:2 "Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases?".God Bless

That's not the verse I was referring to. The verse I was referring to was from one of Paul's letters (I believe when he was talking about eating food sacrificed to idols, but I could be wrong.) My point is, just because I'm not forcing my Christianity down other people's throats by attempting to make life or death decisions for them, you have no right to tell me I'm going to hell - you're not God.

 

[JGG]

All this scripture is saying if you judge someone and you are doing the same sin as the person you are judging,then you will also be judged in the same manner.God hates hypocrites and if you judge someone yet you are a hypocrites you will also be judged.If you judge someone make sure you are not guilty of the same sin.

I was wondering who else God hated. I was under the impression it was only gays and liberals.

Anyway, this doesn't make much sense: You can judge someone's sins if you're not guilty of them? Well, think about how that's problematic.

Sounds like someone's anxious to judge others.