Pro-Choice?

[KomissarSteve]

All this scripture is saying if you judge someone and you are doing the same sin as the person you are judging,then you will also be judged in the same manner.

I somehow doubt that ALL the Pharisees (or Saducees; it's Matthew, after all, and he tends to gloss over their role in the Gospel since by his time, their role in Jewish society was greatly diminished by the destruction of the Temple) who were about to stone the woman in question were guilty of adultery as well.

All sins are the same in God's eyes.

 

[Followers4christ]

That's not the verse I was referring to. The verse I was referring to was from one of Paul's letters (I believe when he was talking about eating food sacrificed to idols, but I could be wrong.) My point is, just because I'm not forcing my Christianity down other people's throats by attempting to make life or death decisions for them, you have no right to tell me I'm going to hell - you're not God.

The verse you are referring too (Romans 14:4) is about judging someone based on the food he eats or if a man considers one day more sacred than another.If we are to judge someone it has to be according to God's word and his word only.The Word of God tell's true believers to Judge because we have the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:15-16) and We should always make a righteous judgment (John 7:24).I am Christ's ambassador (2 Corinthians 5:20) and I am chosen by Christ to bear fruit. (John 15:16).God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

I somehow doubt that ALL the Pharisees (or Saducees; it's Matthew, after all, and he tends to gloss over their role in the Gospel since by his time, their role in Jewish society was greatly diminished by the destruction of the Temple) who were about to stone the woman in question were guilty of adultery as well.

All sins are the same in God's eyes.

Those who continue in their sinful ways and do not wish to put their earthly nature to death (colossians 3:5) will not make it in to God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8).God Bless

Not according to 1 Corinthians 6:18.

 

[MooCar93]

Those who continue in their sinful ways and do not wish to put their earthly nature to death (colossians 3:5) will not make it in to God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8).God Bless

Not according to 1 Corinthians 6:18

Just a note - I think legalism and insisting on getting one's own way are also symptoms of the earthly nature.

 

[Asimov]

A child conceived through rape does not deserve the death penalty for his or her father's crime.God Bless

It's not a child, and it's not a penalty.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Those who continue in their sinful ways and do not wish to put their earthly nature to death (colossians 3:5) will not make it in to God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8).

Except when the sin is pride and it's you who's guilty of it, I'm sure.

 

[Phred]

Could you be wrong?

 

[Followers4christ]

All of those sites are blatantly biased against abortion. Try again.

What is bias with showing what abortion really is? Murder.This photographic evidence is not bias but showing the awful truth of abortion.God Bless

 

[Followers4christ]

And these prove what, exactly?

That abortion Kills children not a blob of tissue.God Bless

 

[MooCar93]

I think now I should post some pictures of what rape does to a woman's body. And then we can decide whether putting a rape victim through the additional agony of childbirth against her will is the humane thing to do.

 

[KomissarSteve]

That abortion Kills children not a blob of tissue.God Bless

Those aren't children. Those are fetuses.

And I'm not arguing that they're "blobs of flesh." Don't strawman.

 

[HannahBanana]

What is bias with showing what abortion really is? Murder.This photographic evidence is not bias but showing the awful truth of abortion.God Bless

Actually, abortion is not murder at all. Murder is illegal and is committed with malice. Abortion is neither of those things. So I don't see how the two terms are supposed to be equivalent.

Also, many photos on pro-life sites are mislabeled (i.e., 16-week-old fetuses labeled as 8-week-old fetuses), doctored, or both. That is why I don't trust those sorts of sites. If they do that sort of stuff to the photos, who's to say the facts aren't doctored as well?

 

[HannahBanana]

That abortion Kills children not a blob of tissue.God Bless

Oh, really? So you honestly think that this is the exact same thing as this? I have a very hard time believing that.

 

[Argent]

Oh, really? So you honestly think that this is the exact same thing as this? I have a very hard time believing that.

Yes, I believe they are the same. When a woman is pregnant and wants to bear the child, from the moment she knows she's pregnant she says "I'm having a baby!", no matter the gestational age. When a woman is pregnant and wants an abortion, no matter the gestational age it's a "fetus". The reality is that it's a baby. Maybe the mother and father don't want it, and the abortion is the mother's decision to make. The father has, and deserves, no say in the matter, but it's still a baby.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Yes, I believe they are the same. When a woman is pregnant and wants to bear the child, from the moment she knows she's pregnant she says "I'm having a baby!", no matter the gestational age. When a woman is pregnant and wants an abortion, no matter the gestational age it's a "fetus". The reality is that it's a baby. Maybe the mother and father don't want it, and the abortion is the mother's decision to make. The father has, and deserves, no say in the matter, but it's still a baby.

Pure symantics. Just because I call my dog "boy" doesn't mean he's a human male.

 

[HannahBanana]

Yes, I believe they are the same. When a woman is pregnant and wants to bear the child, from the moment she knows she's pregnant she says "I'm having a baby!", no matter the gestational age. When a woman is pregnant and wants an abortion, no matter the gestational age it's a "fetus". The reality is that it's a baby. Maybe the mother and father don't want it, and the abortion is the mother's decision to make. The father has, and deserves, no say in the matter, but it's still a baby.

"Baby" is a pet name for the fetus, though, just like it's a pet name for girlfriends sometimes. Does that mean that the fetus is actually a baby? Of course not. Otherwise, girlfriends would be babies as well. Seriously, though, it's scientific fact that the being inside of a woman's uterus is a fetus until its birth. You can ignore that fact, but that doesn't make it any less true.

 

[MooCar93]

Yes, I believe they are the same. When a woman is pregnant and wants to bear the child, from the moment she knows she's pregnant she says "I'm having a baby!", no matter the gestational age. When a woman is pregnant and wants an abortion, no matter the gestational age it's a "fetus". The reality is that it's a baby. Maybe the mother and father don't want it, and the abortion is the mother's decision to make. The father has, and deserves, no say in the matter, but it's still a baby

I always thought "I'm having a baby" was a shortened, colloquial form of "I'm going to have a baby." I mean, otherwise, if we're going to take her words literally, the woman would have to be in labor right at that moment.

Just my two cents.

 

[Zeena]

"Baby" is a pet name for the fetus, though, just like it's a pet name for girlfriends sometimes. Does that mean that the fetus is actually a baby? Of course not. Otherwise, girlfriends would be babies as well. Seriously, though, it's scientific fact that the being inside of a woman's uterus is a fetus until its birth. You can ignore that fact, but that doesn't make it any less true.

It's only scientific fact in Light of the fact they are not comparing thier finding with the Word of the Lord!

Scientific fact states 'fetus' do breathe (RESPIRATE) in the womb.. Just like a full grown man on life-support respirates.

Now, if they compared this with the Word of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures we might end up with a fair definition! =P

Oh yea, there's gas exchange aight!

Artifical lungs are built for the express purpose of gas exchange!
Life REQUIRES breath!

I agree. You're trying to show that a fetus breathes. You haven't done that yet.

Nonesense! The definition of BREATHING includes the exchange of gases in the form of respirating!

Oh, he's taking oxygen aight! -->

1. How does the fetus breathe through the mothers blood, especially when blood group is different, how come the blood does not get mixed up? How does oxygen get transferred?

The precursor cells of the human placenta and the trophoblasts first appear four days after fertilization and they differentiate into all the other cell types found in the human placenta. When fully developed, the placenta serves as the interface between the mother and the developing fetus. The placenta is critical for a successful pregnancy by mediating such critical steps as implantation, pregnancy hormone production, immune protection of the fetus, increase in maternal vascular blood flow into it, and delivery. Over the next few weeks the placenta begins to make hormones which control the basic physiology of the mother in such a way that the fetus is supplied with the necessary nutrients and oxygen needed for successful growth. The placenta also protects the fetus from immune attack by the mother, removes waste products from the fetus, induces the mother to bring more blood to the placenta, and near the time of delivery, produces hormones that matures the fetal organs in preparation for life outside of the uterus. The placenta is the fetus extension into the mother, where it functions as the interface between the two. Like the radiator of a car, which is a heat exchanger, the placenta is a nutrient and waste exchanger. The fetal circulation enters the placenta much like the water of an automobile engine enters the radiator via the umbilical arteries embedded within the umbilical cord. Once in the placenta, the fetal circulation branches into units called cotyledons, structures similar to inverted trees. The finest branches of the fetal circulation are made up of capillary loops within the chorionic villi. Once nutrients have been absorbed and waste products released, the fetal blood ultimately collects into the umbilical vein, where it returns to the fetus via the umbilical cord. If the fetal circulation is similar to the circulating water in an engine, the maternal circulation is analogous to the cool air rushing by the fine fins of the radiator. The maternal blood enters the placenta via the spiral arteries of the uterus. At the point were the spiral arteries make contact with the placenta, they end in open channels, fountaining maternal blood into the intervillous space. The intervillous blood is returned to the maternal circulation via drain-like uterine veins. In order to support the developing fetus, especially at term, up to 35% of the maternal blood flow courses through the intervillous space.
Source

Does a fetus breath? It receives oxygen through blood, just as a thirty year old person does. In the exchange of gases

A person, a full grown human being on a respirator recieves oxygen via this same means.. He is alive!

Fire produces varying amounts of carbonmonoxide in gaseous form. So gas exchange does take place. Therefore, fire is a living being.

You said it, just don't expect me to agree with your assesment. From what I know [emphasis on the word KNOW, not knowledge handed down by men, but by the Spirit of God] is that bios [physical manifestions of life, not including the ELEMENTS] are fleshly, the elemental forms of life, yes I said LIFE, are soulical, and the gaseous forms of Life are spiritual REFLECTIONS on the indicative nature of God in Christ Jesus.

FIRE has a different FORM of life than that of bios.
And cannot be lumped in when determining the nature of flesh!

Would you treat a migraine with a soda pop?
Soda pop is good for refreshment, but does nothing to ease ones pain.

Yeah, but carbon dioxide produced by humans is the byproduct of the tissue absorbing the oxygen. The mechanism is still the same. Oxygen is required to be converted to energy, the waste is given off as carbon dioxide.

Same process for a DIFFERENT life form, with DIFFERENT attributes!

It's not fleshy, and is of more worth than the fleshly, just as the gases which cause them to be are of more worth! For the body of fire cannot exist without oxygen, and niether can your body!

SEE

But that's the mother doing the breathing. The mother is the one doing the gas exchange, and then passing the molecules on to the fetus. And as you have previously defined the capacity for gas exchange as a necessary characteristic of a living being, we can determine that a fetus is not breathing, and therefore not alive.

The mother is doing the breathing and the baby is doing the recieving!

Just as the mother is producing milk, and the baby is drinking it as an infant.. Relections, you see
Same life form, same process....

 

[JGG]

The mother is doing the breathing and the baby is doing the recieving!

So, the mother is breathing, just as she would even if she was not pregnant. The baby is not breathing, as no gas exchange is taking place on the part of the baby.

Just as the mother is producing milk, and the baby is drinking it as an infant..

Buh? This makes no sense. The mother produces milk, the baby doesn't. I don't quite get what your point is.

 

[MooCar93]

Oh no, not this breathing vs. respiration argument again.