Pro-Choice?

[Zeena]

No, they are not exceptions. Otherwise, us humans would not have lungs, and would not practice breathing with them in utero during the third trimester.

Just like that marsupial mouse has to develop his lungs THREE WEEKS AFTER BIRTH, so an infant develops his/her lungs in the womb..

Until then he/she recieves oxygen via his mothers cord
I would surmise until birth even, when he/she takes the first breath WITH his/her lungs..

ALL Life requires breath!

 

[HannahBanana]

Just like that marsupial mouse has to develop his lungs THREE WEEKS AFTER BIRTH, so an infant develops his/her lungs in the womb..

Until then he/she recieves oxygen via his mothers cord
I would surmise until birth even, when he/she takes the first breath WITH his/her lungs..

ALL Life requires breath!

Exactly. All LIFE requires BREATH, so therefore, a non-breathing (but still respirating) first-trimester fetus is not fully alive yet. (Heck, you even said it yourself: an infant's first breath is taken after birth, so therefore, they do not breathe before then.) Do you understand now?

(Also, on an unrelated note: is that woman in your userphoto you? Just wondering.)

 

[Zeena]

Exactly. All LIFE requires BREATH, so therefore, a non-breathing (but still respirating) first-trimester fetus is not fully alive yet. (Heck, you even said it yourself: an infant's first breath is taken after birth, so therefore, they do not breathe before then.) Do you understand now?

What I said is that an infants first breath USING HIS/HER LUNGS is taken post-natal..

I do understand your difficulty, but I've also repeatedly shown that animals, insect, and yes, fetus in general DO recieve oxygen and exhale carbondioxide in the womb!

This is construde as breathing in the animal kingdom!
Even tho it's not facilitated by lungs

(Also, on an unrelated note: is that woman in your userphoto you? Just wondering.)

Yea huh!

And is that you in yours?

 

[HannahBanana]

What I said is that an infants first breath USING HIS/HER LUNGS is taken post-natal..

I do understand your difficulty, but I've also repeatedly shown that animals, insect, and yes, fetus in general DO recieve oxygen and exhale carbondioxide in the womb!

This is construde as breathing in the animal kingdom!
Even tho it's not facilitated by lungs

Yea huh!

And is that you in yours?

...you know what? I give up. I'm tired of arguing in circles over & over & over again with you. Would you mind if we just agreed to disagree here?

And yes, that is me in my user photo.

 

[Zeena]

...you know what? I give up. I'm tired of arguing in circles over & over & over again with you. Would you mind if we just agreed to disagree here?

But of course! And I don't mind one bit!

And yes, that is me in my user photo.

For the sake of 'peace' like your photo implied.

 

[Zeena]

I wasn't here to argue, merely to state the truth of creation being created by God

 

[KomissarSteve]

I don't know why you guys are still fighitng about this. Regardless of how you define "breating" it doesn't mean a fetus is a human being.

Quite right; intaking oxygen doesn't make a fetus any more human than it does archaebacteria.

 

[Zeena]

The truth is there, if God will give you HIS eyes or not we shall see

 

[Shemjaza]

I wasn't here to argue, merely to state the truth of creation being created by God

Then why haven't you justified the scripture that clearly defines the ending of a pregnancy as different to the ending of a human life?

 

[HannahBanana]

The truth is there, if God will give you HIS eyes or not we shall see

And yet, neither you nor any other Christian out there can prove that the Bible is any more "true" than any other holy book. Therefore, the words of the Bible are not the ultimate truth on any issue, be it abortion, gay rights, or even how to dress.

 

[Zeena]

Then why haven't you justified the scripture that clearly defines the ending of a pregnancy as different to the ending of a human life?

Becuase I did not come to justify nor condemn the taking of a life..

Merely to point our that God does in fact, construde babies in the womb as life He has sanctioned

They have breath, therefore they have God-given life

 

[HannahBanana]

Zeena, is there any reason why you did not respond to my most recent reply to you (Post #137)? I'd appreciate it if you'd reply back. Thanks.

 

[Shemjaza]

Becuase I did not come to justify nor condemn the taking of a life..

Merely to point our that God does in fact, construde babies in the womb as life He has sanctioned

They have breath, therefore they have God-given life

So are animals... yet I doubt you are a vegan.

The point is that according to the bible the unborn are not the same as people... so you can't use any of the laws against killing to apply to abortion.

 

[Rorshack]

I'm not a Christian, but I definetly despise abortion, today my family had some friends over and I listened in on my brother in law stating he was "pro-choice", when I heard this, I became slightly disturbed, I brought it up with my sister and her response was "well of course, we are all pro-choice", I argued with her that instead of killing the fetus people should consider adoption, her take on it was that 1/10 of every orphan gets adopted and the rest are sent to institutions, therefore she attempted to justify that it woudl be better to abort that unwanted fetus than to let it grow up in an orphaned lifestyle.

This conversation got started because one of my sister's friends is a few weeks pregnant, especially gut-churning was to sit there doing my homework and listen to her conversation "obviously you are not the type of person to get an abortion because you are willing to raise it, for certain people it's okay, for you it's obviously not."

However, for me this just doesn't cut it, my sister claims to believe in "God" but she like most other people twist and rehash things to be more "considerative" and "open minded."

My sister supports homosexuality, I certaintly don't want it banned from the country, and people can practice whatever they want under their free rights, but I don't think "God made them that way" and this is what my sister asserts, she thinks of homosexuality as God's "natural birth control."

The problem with her logic is that if she supports "God's natural birth control" why does she approve of some atrocity as a small living human organism being plucked from the whom with a pair of tweezers? When I told her I disagreed, she mocked me, calling me ignorant and making a joke of my perspective, I, on the other hand, found nothing hillarious at all to do with it, she even thought it was funny to say "the reason I'm pro-choice is because of your existence", I kept my words inside my head, but I wanted to say: "well then, do enjoy the taste of fire and brimstone."

I honestly think my sister is a complete and total idiot, how can anyone who believes in God be so incredibly stupid to approve of abortion? Abortion is exceptional in the rarest of occasions, and I mean, life or death occasions, not a third option for being an irresponsible puke, to try and justify it saying "just because they are aborted doesn't mean that their souls don't go to heaven", HERE'S A BETTER QUESTION: IF GOD TRUELY DOESN'T OPPOSE THIS IDEA WHY PUT THE LIFE IN THE WHOM IN THE FIRST PLACE????

A few times I've tried to embrace Christianity but my family would badily ridicule me for it, if I'm not this "liberalist" or I'm for "pro-choice" I'm ignorant and close minded, I'm a "religious nut, a zealot", why is society deluding itself like this? It's all because of a little thing they call "religious bigotry", even though it's more of a cop out of a person's responsibilities, their actions and the consequences that follow, today I felt great grief for all of the lives that are lost due to the practice of abortional surgery, and, if a creator truely put them there, how evil it is for man to dispense of life like garbage, and to not want to be held accountable.

Umm my father lived in an orphanage until his uncle was able to get him out. I, for one, am glad his mother did not abort him. Most people who interact with me find it to be a positive experience.

 

[Rorshack]

I'm not a Christian, but I definetly despise abortion, today my family had some friends over and I listened in on my brother in law stating he was "pro-choice", when I heard this, I became slightly disturbed, I brought it up with my sister and her response was "well of course, we are all pro-choice", I argued with her that instead of killing the fetus people should consider adoption, her take on it was that 1/10 of every orphan gets adopted and the rest are sent to institutions, therefore she attempted to justify that it woudl be better to abort that unwanted fetus than to let it grow up in an orphaned lifestyle.

This conversation got started because one of my sister's friends is a few weeks pregnant, especially gut-churning was to sit there doing my homework and listen to her conversation "obviously you are not the type of person to get an abortion because you are willing to raise it, for certain people it's okay, for you it's obviously not."

However, for me this just doesn't cut it, my sister claims to believe in "God" but she like most other people twist and rehash things to be more "considerative" and "open minded."

My sister supports homosexuality, I certaintly don't want it banned from the country, and people can practice whatever they want under their free rights, but I don't think "God made them that way" and this is what my sister asserts, she thinks of homosexuality as God's "natural birth control."

The problem with her logic is that if she supports "God's natural birth control" why does she approve of some atrocity as a small living human organism being plucked from the whom with a pair of tweezers? When I told her I disagreed, she mocked me, calling me ignorant and making a joke of my perspective, I, on the other hand, found nothing hillarious at all to do with it, she even thought it was funny to say "the reason I'm pro-choice is because of your existence", I kept my words inside my head, but I wanted to say: "well then, do enjoy the taste of fire and brimstone."

I honestly think my sister is a complete and total idiot, how can anyone who believes in God be so incredibly stupid to approve of abortion? Abortion is exceptional in the rarest of occasions, and I mean, life or death occasions, not a third option for being an irresponsible puke, to try and justify it saying "just because they are aborted doesn't mean that their souls don't go to heaven", HERE'S A BETTER QUESTION: IF GOD TRUELY DOESN'T OPPOSE THIS IDEA WHY PUT THE LIFE IN THE WHOM IN THE FIRST PLACE????

A few times I've tried to embrace Christianity but my family would badily ridicule me for it, if I'm not this "liberalist" or I'm for "pro-choice" I'm ignorant and close minded, I'm a "religious nut, a zealot", why is society deluding itself like this? It's all because of a little thing they call "religious bigotry", even though it's more of a cop out of a person's responsibilities, their actions and the consequences that follow, today I felt great grief for all of the lives that are lost due to the practice of abortional surgery, and, if a creator truely put them there, how evil it is for man to dispense of life like garbage, and to not want to be held accountable.

Just a pair of twesers. Not by a bloody mile.

 

[Zeena]

And yet, neither you nor any other Christian out there can prove that the Bible is any more "true" than any other holy book. Therefore, the words of the Bible are not the ultimate truth on any issue, be it abortion, gay rights, or even how to dress.

Zeena, is there any reason why you did not respond to my most recent reply to you (Post #137)? I'd appreciate it if you'd reply back. Thanks.

I believe, by the Spirit of God, that they ARE the words of God, both inspired AND breathed by His Holy Spirit;in and through men, who so submitted to His Authority to do so.

You are free to believe as you chose.

I did not come here to agrue semantics, merely to point to the truth of God's Word FOR FELLOW BELIEVERS, Christians, who have been decieved.

I will pray for you however, that the eyes of your heart may be opened, that you would know the calling of God and whether He goest.
In Jesus Name, AMEN!

Galatians 6:10
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Because I did not come to justify nor condemn the taking of a life..

Merely to point our that God does in fact, construde babies in the womb as life He has sanctioned

They have breath, therefore they have God-given life

The point is that according to the bible the unborn are not the same as people... so you can't use any of the laws against killing to apply to abortion.

The point is, they have life, God-GIVEN life, according to the Scriptures I quoted earlier..

Here, I'll re-post just a few verses for your edification..

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Job 7:7 [ASV]
Oh remember that my life is a breath: Mine eye shall no more see good.

Job 12:10
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Job 26:13 [NIV]
By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent.

Job 33:4
The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

I could go on, but I'm sure this will suffice

Babies breath in the womb, which is MEDICALLY DOCUMENTED.. Therfore, according to God's Word in the Scriptures, God has both called them into existance and has a plan for each one.

 

[JGG]

Babies breath in the womb, which is MEDICALLY DOCUMENTED.. Therfore, according to God's Word in the Scriptures, God has both called them into existance and has a plan for each one.

(a) There's no air in the womb, what are they breathing?

(b) They certainly aren't breathing before lungs develop.

 

[HannahBanana]

I will pray for you however, that the eyes of your heart may be opened, that you would know the calling of God and whether He goest.

No prayer is necessary, thanks. I'm perfectly fine with my life the way it is, anxiety, depression, and all.

The point is, they have life, God-GIVEN life, according to the Scriptures I quoted earlier..

If you don't wish to argue semantics, I'd advise you to begin statements like this with "in my opinion," rather than stating them as fact, which is what you have done here.

Babies breath in the womb, which is MEDICALLY DOCUMENTED.. Therfore, according to God's Word in the Scriptures, God has both called them into existance and has a plan for each one.

Here's another incidence where a simple "in my opinion" would be beneficial. It's just three words, it's not like it's going to kill you to type them or anything.

 

[HannahBanana]

(a) There's no air in the womb, what are they breathing?

(b) They certainly aren't breathing before lungs develop.

JGG, I'd advise you not to get into this with her. She seems to think that intaking oxygen from the mother's bloodstream is the same thing as "breathing" and is extremely stubborn on this issue. So, unless you want to frustrate yourself, I'd ignore this mistaken notion of hers.

 

[JGG]

JGG, I'd advise you not to get into this with her. She seems to think that intaking oxygen from the mother's bloodstream is the same thing as "breathing" and is extremely stubborn on this issue. So, unless you want to frustrate yourself, I'd ignore this mistaken notion of hers.

Thanks for the advice. I'll just claim it as "for the record."