Pro-Aborts Commit Violence Too

[TricksterWolf]

....that's really not how it works, but I'll throw this out there. Ready for it?

Your facts are wrong.

Now its up to you to prove me wrong.

How about "it doesn't matter whether the stats are right because nobody here is actually arguing that having an abortion necessarily turns you into a murderer".

Trickster

 

[CSmrw]

Considering that a fetus living inside a fetus is extremely rare and virtually impossible, your comment is of no effect.

Then why did you say tha Anyone living inside that baby is at it's mercy? Seems like you brought it up to me.

Go back, read what you said, and then put my response in context and stop this.

 

[Ave Maria]

....that's really not how it works, but I'll throw this out there. Ready for it?

Your facts are wrong.

Now its up to you to prove me wrong.

Go back, read what you said, and then put my response in context and stop this.

I will not read it but I will apologise if I accidentally took your comments out of context. This thread is strictly about abortion violence and not abortion general.

 

[JGG]

That's not how it works either. I, the OP, declare that this thread is not about whether the facts are right or wrong but is about abortion violence and the discussion will be strictly related to abortion violence and that only.

So, truthful facts are not necessary. Got it.

 

[Ave Maria]

How about "it doesn't matter whether the stats are right because nobody here is actually arguing that having an abortion necessarily turns you into a murderer".

Trickster

Exactly! The thread is strictly about abortion violence and nothing else!

 

[Ave Maria]

How about "it doesn't matter whether the stats are right because nobody here is actually arguing that having an abortion necessarily turns you into a murderer".

Trickster

So, truthful facts are not necessary. Got it.

Wrong. Stop twisting my words.

 

[CSmrw]

I will not read it but I will apologise if I accidentally took your comments out of context. This thread is strictly about abortion violence and not abortion general.

Ah. Well, humans do violent things when their passions are up. Was that in question? That's like pointing out that to maintain health humans eat.

 

[TricksterWolf]

So, truthful facts are not necessary. Got it.

I have to agree, I'd prefer actual data to see where these deaths are actually being caused. I understand that anti-abortion activists can target doctors and women, but who can pro-abortion advocates target? Are these supposedly acts of murder, etc. against other activists?

I can believe vandalism and petty crimes--that's common on both sides of any heated debate, but murder is a little more farfetched. Maybe this is statistics from around the world, rather than the US?

Trickster

 

[JGG]

Exactly! The thread is strictly about abortion violence and nothing else!

Okay, and I claim that your OP which claims that 1,798 "sex crimes" have been committed in the name of pro-choice ideology is false.

All you'd likely have to do is show us where you got these numbers.

 

[Ave Maria]

Ah. Well, humans do violent things when their passions are up. Was that in question? That's like pointing out that to maintain health humans eat.

No that wasn't really the question. Here's a starter. What can we do to stop or prevent abortion violence and resolve our differences in peaceful manners?

 

[Ave Maria]

Ah. Well, humans do violent things when their passions are up. Was that in question? That's like pointing out that to maintain health humans eat.

Okay, and I claim that your OP which claims that 1,798 "sex crimes" have been committed in the name of pro-choice ideology is false.

All you'd likely have to do is show us where you got these numbers.

I linked you to the website did I not? Ask them.

 

[CSmrw]

I will not read it but I will apologise if I accidentally took your comments out of context. This thread is strictly about abortion violence and not abortion general.

No that wasn't really the question. Here's a starter. What can we do to stop or prevent abortion violence and resolve our differences in peaceful manners?

We can agree that abortion is legal and necessary in a society that values liberty, even if many find it reprehensible, and to get along we have to defer to the priincipals that our country was founded on.

 

[Ave Maria]

We can agree that abortion is legal and necessary in a society that values liberty, even if many find it reprehensible, and to get along we have to defer to the priincipals that our country was founded on.

How about ways other than that because I personally do not wish for abortion to be legal even though it is.

 

[CSmrw]

How about ways other than that because I personally do not wish for abortion to be legal even though it is.

Then we are enemies on this issue. I value liberty more than any other national concern and will not bend.

 

[JGG]

Okay, to put this into context:

These are acts reported since 1965, and only refer to people who are pro-choice, not acts done in the name of choice.

For instance:

"In 1998, in Jackson, Mississippi, Abortionist, Malachi Delwams, primary abortionist at the New Wiseman's Clinic abortion mill, molested his wife, Nyesha who worked with him"

or

"In 1989, a Judge sentenced Los Angeles abortionist to 53 years in prison after a jury found him guilty of killing 8 newborn babies."

In other words, these were not acts on pro-lifers, nor are they acts committed to benefit the cause of abortion. These are simply examples provided to create the case that pro-choicers are horrible people.

http://abortionviolence.com/more.html

It is more of a concern that this information is coming from a rather biased source, playing on a political agenda.

 

[ElvisFan42]

No that wasn't really the question. Here's a starter. What can we do to stop or prevent abortion violence and resolve our differences in peaceful manners?

You could start by trying to understand the "other sides" viewpoint and then avoid name-calling. You start off on the wrong foot right away.

Here is part of your problem, you see only one solution to stopping abortion, and that is to outlaw it, not only would that not stop it, it's hardly the only solution.

 

[Ave Maria]

We can agree that abortion is legal and necessary in a society that values liberty, even if many find it reprehensible, and to get along we have to defer to the priincipals that our country was founded on.

Then we are enemies on this issue. I value liberty more than any other national concern and will not bend.

I would not consider you to be an enemy but an opponent.

 

[Ave Maria]

Okay, to put this into context:

These are acts reported since 1965, and only refer to people who are pro-choice, not acts done in the name of choice.

For instance:

"In 1998, in Jackson, Mississippi, Abortionist, Malachi Delwams, primary abortionist at the New Wiseman's Clinic abortion mill, molested his wife, Nyesha who worked with him"

or

"In 1989, a Judge sentenced Los Angeles abortionist to 53 years in prison after a jury found him guilty of killing 8 newborn babies."

In other words, these were not acts on pro-lifers, nor are they acts committed to benefit the cause of abortion. These are simply examples provided to create the case that pro-choicers are horrible people.

http://abortionviolence.com/more.html

It is more of a concern that this information is coming from a rather biased source, playing on a political agenda.

Maybe not but pro-choicers do commit violence in the name of the pro-choice movement.

 

[Ave Maria]

Okay, to put this into context:

These are acts reported since 1965, and only refer to people who are pro-choice, not acts done in the name of choice.

For instance:

"In 1998, in Jackson, Mississippi, Abortionist, Malachi Delwams, primary abortionist at the New Wiseman's Clinic abortion mill, molested his wife, Nyesha who worked with him"

or

"In 1989, a Judge sentenced Los Angeles abortionist to 53 years in prison after a jury found him guilty of killing 8 newborn babies."

In other words, these were not acts on pro-lifers, nor are they acts committed to benefit the cause of abortion. These are simply examples provided to create the case that pro-choicers are horrible people.

http://abortionviolence.com/more.html

It is more of a concern that this information is coming from a rather biased source, playing on a political agenda.

You could start by trying to understand the "other sides" viewpoint and then avoid name-calling. You start off on the wrong foot right away.

I do understand the opposing viewpoint. I used to be pro-choice.

 

[CSmrw]

How about ways other than that because I personally do not wish for abortion to be legal even though it is.

I would not consider you to be an enemy but an opponent.

I consider anyone who places anything before our founding pricipals to be an enemy. We don't have to go to war, but we will never be friends.