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Pro-Aborts Commit Violence Too

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Pro-Abortions Commit Vilence too:

  • 880 homicides and other killings
  • 86 attempted murders
  • 23 arsons and bombings
  • 787 assaults
  • 1,798 sex crimes
  • (including 169 rapes)
  • 59 kidnappings
  • 420 cases of vandalism
  • 270 drug-related crimes
  • 1,577 medical crimes

Extreme pro-lifers are not the only ones guilty of violence against the opposition.

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http://www.abortionviolence.com/av_order_form.php
 

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In other news, people are for the most part over-emotional and irrational, no matter how each side tries to paint itself as perfect.

I'm pro-choice (For Pete's sake, no one actually cackles with glee every time a woman gets an abortion and if they do, well...) and I've only "assaulted" someone once. That was my 6'4 boyfriend who was twice my size after he came up behind me and scared me and I lost it. Not that little 105 lb. me did any damage. :p
 
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In other news, people are for the most part over-emotional and irrational, no matter how each side tries to paint itself as perfect.

I'm pro-choice (For Pete's sake, no one actually cackles with glee every time a woman gets an abortion and if they do, well...) and I've only "assaulted" someone once. That was my 6'4 boyfriend who was twice my size after he came up behind me and scared me and I lost it. Not that little 105 lb. me did any damage. :p

I am not by any means saying that the pro-life side is perfect. Neither side is perfect. The pro-life side is correct, the pro-abortion side is incorrect. I am only exposing the pro-abortion side.
 
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And I repeat, there are very few, if any, sane people who are actually pro-abortion. I am pro-choice not because I like the idea (I find abortion to be detestable if done due to irresponsible sex practices and out of convienience and most unfortunate when it's required to save the life of the mother, as it was with my own abortion) but because I do not think merely outlawing abortion will help.

If abortion is to be attacked, it needs to be attacked through dramatic decrease in demand. In otherwords, there need to be less unwanted pregnancies and better prenatal care for women. Once safe sex practices are on the rise and contraception is easy to get (I have to go through freaking Planned Parenthood to get mine, which is not fun at all, trust me) then the number of unwanted pregnancies will decrease and less women will be heading in to have abortions.
 
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In other news, people are for the most part over-emotional and irrational, no matter how each side tries to paint itself as perfect.

I'm pro-choice (For Pete's sake, no one actually cackles with glee every time a woman gets an abortion and if they do, well...) and I've only "assaulted" someone once. That was my 6'4 boyfriend who was twice my size after he came up behind me and scared me and I lost it. Not that little 105 lb. me did any damage. :p

And I repeat, there are very few, if any, sane people who are actually pro-abortion. I am pro-choice not because I like the idea (I find abortion to be detestable if done due to irresponsible sex practices and out of convienience and most unfortunate when it's required to save the life of the mother, as it was with my own abortion) but because I do not think merely outlawing abortion will help.

If abortion is to be attacked, it needs to be attacked through dramatic decrease in demand. In otherwords, there need to be less unwanted pregnancies and better prenatal care for women. Once safe sex practices are on the rise and contraception is easy to get (I have to go through freaking Planned Parenthood to get mine, which is not fun at all, trust me) then the number of unwanted pregnancies will decrease and less women will be heading in to have abortions.

Fine, if you want to use the term "pro-choice" (which is false, what about the choice of the unborn baby?) then there is a lot of "pro-choice" violence too.
 
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Pro-Abortions Commit Vilence too:

  • 880 homicides and other killings
  • 86 attempted murders
  • 23 arsons and bombings
  • 787 assaults
  • 1,798 sex crimes
  • (including 169 rapes)
  • 59 kidnappings
  • 420 cases of vandalism
  • 270 drug-related crimes
  • 1,577 medical crimes

Extreme pro-lifers are not the only ones guilty of violence against the opposition.

A free CD here:

http://www.abortionviolence.com/av_order_form.php
1,577 "medical crimes"? Like obtaining illegal abortions because they can't get one where they live, hm?

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1,577 "medical crimes"? Like obtaining illegal abortions because they can't get one where they live, hm?

Trickster

I don't know. Probably that, unsanitary conditions, leaving a living born baby to die, not calling an ambulance for emergencies, etc.
 
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Fine, if you want to use the term "pro-choice" (which is false, what about the choice of the unborn baby?) then there is a lot of "pro-choice" violence too.
If you want to use pro-life rather than anti-freedom...if you're going to be disrepectful, you can only expect the same in return.
 
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1,577 "medical crimes"? Like obtaining illegal abortions because they can't get one where they live, hm?

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If you live inside another person you have only the rights the host gives you. Everything else is candy.

An unborn child is not a parasite. It is a human being. It is a person with rights!
 
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If you want to use pro-life rather than anti-freedom...if you're going to be disrepectful, you can only expect the same in return.

Fine. I am going to use pro-life and pro-choice as terms. I suspect that you will respect me and refer to me as pro-life.

Also, I don't consider the term "Pro-Abort" to be disrespectful. I consider it to be truthful.
 
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I am not by any means saying that the pro-life side is perfect. Neither side is perfect. The pro-life side is correct, the pro-abortion side is incorrect. I am only exposing the pro-abortion side.

What is it that you're "exposing?"
That the pro-choice side can contain crackpots too? I don't think that was ever seriously in dispute by anyone. At least not anyone I've seen on this board. So I'm not sure what it is that you think you're enlightening anyone on.
 
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Fine, if you want to use the term "pro-choice" (which is false, what about the choice of the unborn baby?) then there is a lot of "pro-choice" violence too.

There are a few things one needs in order to make a choice. That is that they need the logical side of the brain in order to weigh the decisions, and they also need the right side of the brain for the sense of self. Without these two things interacting, nothing has made a choice. You can't ask an embryo to make a choice because it has neither (depending on the stage). You're also forgetting that you're also never giving the embryo a choice, too. You're forcing it to live.

Really, all this stupid argument is doing is appealing to the emotions of everyone around. "Oh my," they think, "that baby didn't get to choose!" Stop burying the truth. The baby can't choose, so drop this argument. You're effectively personified something with less ability to choose than a dog or a cat! Stupid sites and things like the one where they go through the stages of development and have the baby explain what's happening are just laughable. Once again, this is just emotionally charged BS.

This also applies to the term "pro-life," a term which I find to be really stupid, because no one really likes to kill something, and so this term is just crazy propaganda in order to sway people emotionally to it

An unborn child is not a parasite. It is a human being. It is a person with rights!

Hmm... "An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host." Yeah, sounds like a growing embryo to me. Whether that really means anything bad or not is up to interpretation, along with whether something like that deserves rights. What gives anything rights, really? Usually it's the ability to give back rights. Can an embryo give back rights? Nope. We hardly give children any rights in society. A parent pretty much gets to choose everything for them.

I'm not trying to devalue the embryo here, either. I'm just trying to show the other side. Things aren't black and white, guys. Both sides need to remember this. What we have is a sort of growing organism with no sense of self or really anything that could compare it to an adult, right-giving human, but this something has the potential to become the kind of human we know and love. What it comes down to is how much you value potential. Everyone values it in varying degrees. Even the pro-life side has a line. That sperm every guy has in him is a potential. That means every wet dream you have or every time you touch, you've effectively killed a potential human. Guess what! Not many have a problem with this. This is because they weigh potential heavier later than this. So, not everyone that gets an abortion is a murduring mongrel. Stop being so absolute with everything!
 
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Fine. I am going to use pro-life and pro-choice as terms. I suspect that you will respect me and refer to me as pro-life.

Also, I don't consider the term "Pro-Abort" to be disrespectful. I consider it to be truthful.

We disagree. I am not convinced that one who support the right of an individual to choose a particular act necessarly supports the act itself. By analogy, do you believe that a citizen of the USA has the right to believe that white people are innately superior to black people if he or she chooses? Do you believe that a citizen of the USA has the right to believe in and practice Hare Krishna if he or she chooses?

Would you say that you are a pro-white supremacist? a pro-hare krishna?

I don't think so. Just because you support the right of a person to choose this act, doesn't mean you favor it.

I'm not arguing in favor of, or against, abortion, only against the insinuation that if one supports the right of a person to choose "x", then the person therefore favors "x" himself.
 
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Fine. I am going to use pro-life and pro-choice as terms. I suspect that you will respect me and refer to me as pro-life.

Also, I don't consider the term "Pro-Abort" to be disrespectful. I consider it to be truthful.

Just because one happens to be pro-choice does not mean that they are pro-abortion. It simply means they support a woman's right to choose whether or not she wishes to have an abortion.

As far as the "pro-life" thing goes, pro-life was a term coined by anti-abortion activists to demonize those that disagree with them. Claiming to be 'pro-life' implies that those who don't share your stance aren't.. that they're 'pro-death'.. which is completely disingenuous. It's merely an emotional ploy intended to win support for the cause.
 
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Just because one happens to be pro-choice does not mean that they are pro-abortion. It simply means they support a woman's right to choose whether or not she wishes to have an abortion.

As far as the "pro-life" thing goes, pro-life was a term coined by anti-abortion activists to demonize those that disagree with them. Claiming to be 'pro-life' implies that those who don't share your stance aren't.. that they're 'pro-death'.. which is completely disingenuous. It's merely an emotional ploy intended to win support for the cause.
I agree, but the same could be said of "pro-choice". Both terms are politically framed.

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