Preterism ends now ...but futurists are not right either

iamlamad · Aug 11, 2023

Reborn-Adopted said:
REVELATION 13

REVELATION 14
Mountains in Scripture are kind of like Churches ...a Branch of The Vine. The Firstfruits of THE WAY.

[Revelation 14:1 KJV] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

There were Majestic Sounds coming from Heaven ...so The 144,000 were not physically ...literally standing on the planet Earth. There are 12 Stars on the head of The Woman: 12 x 12,000 is 144,000 ...just saying they might be related.

[Revelation 14:2 KJV] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

You couldn't understand the New Song unless you were out of delusion. The New Song is about permanently locking away your old self ...Closing The Door to free will and future sin.

[Revelation 14:3-5 KJV] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
[5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

We know Judgment Came at the end of Rev 11 ...so Judgment was for individuals after: The GOSPEL Tells you how to be Judged Worthy to Join The Vine:

[Revelation 14:6-7 KJV] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;

for the hour of his judgment is come:
and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

babylon's wine is artificial VINE ...bad fruit ...bad grapes:

[Revelation 14:8 KJV] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

no one that uses satan's version of The Narrow Way is avoiding The Wrath of GOD: they will be held on the delusion side of The Cross.

[Revelation 14:9 KJV] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

perdition is right now in The Presence of The LAMB. they are never going to Know GOD ...which is Eternal LIFE ....CHRIST inside you. you are tormented without REST ...to not Know LIFE/TRUTH is torment.

[Revelation 14:10-11 KJV] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

To die in The LORD is to have your Romans 6 old man killed off. Henceforth, from here on out you can Raise to LIFE because you were Planted with CHRIST:

[Revelation 14:12-13 KJV] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
[13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[Hebrews 3:11 KJV] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

[Hebrews 4:3 KJV] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[Romans 6:4-7 KJV] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Here is a Cloud again ...except JESUS already Returned around 70 A.D.

[Revelation 14:14 KJV] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

An Angel is telling The Son Of Man what to do? That's because we are a Son of JESUS when Born Again.

[Revelation 14:15 KJV] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

It's our old man being killed:

[Revelation 14:16-17 KJV] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
[17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

babylon bad grapes ...people in the broad gate church:

[Revelation 14:18-20 KJV] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

[Matthew 7:13-14 KJV] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

On the other hand, there is a FUTURE way to see this chapter. On John's timeline is it shortly after the division point of the 70th week. The 144,000 that were sealed in chapter 7 are now seen in heaven...apparently another "catching up."

At this time Jesus is in total control, HIS will will be done on earth during the last half of the 70th week. Adam's 6000 year lease will have expired, the kingdoms of the world will have been taken from Satan and given to Jesus Christ, and at this time Jesus will take to Himself His great power and begin to reign on the physical planet.

Jesus sends three angels with three messages—to all people in their own language. The first angel tells the people to worship God. It is a good message, for soon most of the people will be tricked into worshiping Satan. The second angel warns people that "Mystery Babylon" will soon fall. Mystery Babylon is talking about the city of Jerusalem while the Beast and False Prophet are there deceiving the entire world. Why two "fallens?" I wish I knew. Perhaps one is about the physical city, and the other is about the Mystery city that deceives the world.

Finally, the third angel warns people that if they accept the soon to be enforced "mark of the Beast," they will be doomed to fire and brimstone forever. This warning gives readers a strong hint that just after the warning, the Beast and False prophet will begin the days of great tribulation, where all people will be forced to bow to an image and receive a mark, or lose their heads.

This is confirmed by what John wrote next:

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Next, John saw two symbolic harvests: they are symbolic became sickles are not used to harvest humans. The first harvest is to represent all those that refuse the mark and lose their heads.

The second harvest comes with God's wrath and is for the wicked. This is to represent all the wicked that will die at the Battle of Armageddon, probably all those that are taken when he parable of the tares is accomplished, and all the goats at the sheep and goat judgment.

All this will take place during the last half of the future 70th week of Daniel.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 11, 2023

David Kent said:
There will be no future temple.
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2: 19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

How many times does scripture have to repeat it before you believe it.

I use 1 Corinthians 6:19 with two JW elders and I say do you believe that refers to the individual or the corporate body, the church, and they always decline to answer. Perhaps it is because the watchtower doesn't have a teaching on it or perhaps they are anticipating the next question, " Who lives in a temple?" Answer, God. But they don't believe the Holy Spirit is God.

It cannot refer to the individual as it doesn't say "Your bodies are the temples." But, "Your body is the temple." Ye and your are plural, is and temple are singular. One body, one temple but many making the temple.

why do you write this as if i'm a JW? i said there is something wrong with all churches. They call JESUS an Angel ...but that is only one of His Forms.

Keeping The Door Closed, Keeps The LIGHT In. The Door has a Mirror on It to see yourself without your old self. Lets The LIGHT bounce around inside you. Full of LIGHT.

They couldn't do This until He Returned:

1 Corinthians 13:10-12 KJV — But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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Ephesians 2:21-22 KJV — In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Genesis 4:7 KJV — If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

your door is open to death if it is open to free will. ...so are you His Temple or not???

iamlamad · Aug 11, 2023

David Kent said:
There will be no future temple.
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

It seems you are trying to compare oranges with apples.

Just because we are temples of the Holy Spirit has no bearing in any possible way with the Jews plan to build a physical temple. Did you not read that this physical temple has worshipers inside? Just as many Jews stand at the wailing wall and pray, when the temple is built they will stand inside the temple and pray. Again, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Christian believers that individually are temples of the Holy Spirit.

This new temple not only has worshipers inside worshiping, but it has an outer court given to the Gentiles. It is my guess that if we had a hundred beginning readers read this verse, all of they would say John was writing of a physical temple. I don't know why people find this difficult to believe. The Jews have overcome step after step required for a new temple, including the red heifer.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 11, 2023

REVELATION 15

Seven Last Plaques: Like most things in Scripture ...The Wrath of GOD is about The Living Relationship ...He is Kicking you out of It.

[Revelation 15:1 KJV] And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

i think The Sea of Glass is a Relationship Foundation that is transparent ...that's the kind you want to have with GOD. Victory over satan's broad gate church ...Victory over a dead Relationship.

[Revelation 15:2 KJV] And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Zerubbabel was one of Two Witnesses that Rebuilt The Temple (GOD Called him His servant). i think Moses Represented a Witness in Rev 11. Songs about Ways to The Relationship:

[Revelation 15:3 KJV] And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

Exodus 15 has a Song:

[Exodus 15:1 KJV] Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
[Exodus 15:2 KJV] The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.
[Exodus 15:3 KJV] The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
[Exodus 15:10 KJV] Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them: they sank as lead in the mighty waters.
[Exodus 15:11 KJV] Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?
[Exodus 15:21 KJV] And Miriam answered them, Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously; the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

[Exodus 14:31 KJV] And Israel saw that great work which the LORD did upon the Egyptians: and the people feared the LORD, and believed the LORD, and his servant Moses.

[Haggai 2:23 KJV] In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.

Fear of The LORD is Him kicking you out of The Relationship to delusion ...where you think are you are still in a Relationship. There is already Judgment happening ...what are you futurists waiting for?:

[Revelation 15:4 KJV] Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee;

for thy judgments are made manifest.

The Temple already Opened in Rev 11 ...but This is Saying GOD'S Witness Became Available: Rev 11:19 didn't Say The Ark of His Testament was Opened yet.

[Revelation 15:5-6 KJV] And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened:
[6] And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles.

[Revelation 11:19 KJV] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

[Deuteronomy 31:26 KJV] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

Why would one of the Four Beasts have Vials full of The Wrath of GOD? Because they are directly related to delusion ...Wrath of GOD:

[Revelation 15:7 KJV] And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

No one could become Born Again until The Seven Plagues were done:

[Revelation 15:8 KJV] And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.

[Exodus 40:34-38 KJV] Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
[35] And Moses was not able to enter into the tent of the congregation, because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of the LORD filled the tabernacle.
[36] And when the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the children of Israel went onward in all their journeys:
[37] But if the cloud were not taken up, then they journeyed not till the day that it was taken up.
[38] For the cloud of the LORD was upon the tabernacle by day, and fire was on it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 12, 2023

REVELATION 16

GOD'S Witness (CHRIST) was Talking from within The Temple:
Go your ways? Like He Told The Sons of GOD to do?

[Revelation 16:1 KJV] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

[Zechariah 1:10 KJV] And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

[Luke 10:3 KJV] Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

[Jeremiah 18:11 KJV] Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

The Earth is The Relationship ...there are many that have the mark of the beast in it: so people thought they were in a Living Relationship because they included CHRIST in their religion ...but they were using Him as a minister of sin.

[Revelation 16:2 KJV] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

you couldn't Find The Living Relationship in worldly society anymore: blood of dead reprobates ...carnal. they don't have Living Blood.

[Revelation 16:3 KJV] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

[Psalm 116:7-9 KJV] Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.
[8] For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.
[9] I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.
[Psalm 116:16 KJV] O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.

their religion is based on The Dead Advocate's Blood ...That Blood was only good until you Join Him on a Cross.
Fountains of waters is your conscience ...they got seared consciences: You want Living Waters Welling up inside you. Your eyes in Scripture is basically your mind's eye. That's what "Fountains" and "Well" are. Adam and Eve's eyes were opened ...Is your eye single when using your old self for free will?

[Revelation 16:4-6 KJV] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
[5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Proverbs 8:28 KJV — When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

[John 4:11 KJV] The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
[John 4:13-14 KJV] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Psalm 18:26-29 KJV — With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward. For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks. For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness. For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall.

...Leaped over The Death Side of The Cross. ...delusion.

satan has high looks:

Isaiah 14:13-14 KJV — For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

[Hebrews 12:2 KJV] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Revelation 1:7 KJV] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Out of The Altar? The Dead Advocate? We all get on that Altar to end our Romans 6 old man.

[Revelation 16:7 KJV] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

JESUS Is your Father if you have Overcome ...He is your SUN. CHRIST was Given Wrath to Scorch:

[Revelation 16:8-9 KJV] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
[9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

[Revelation 7:16 KJV] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

[Jonah 4:8 KJV] And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

[Isaiah 49:10 KJV] They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

[James 1:11 KJV] For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

satan has a seat in one of the seven churches ...satan has a kingdom ...the broad gate chruch

[Revelation 16:10-11 KJV] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

[Revelation 2:13 KJV] I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

[Psalm 1:1 KJV] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

[Proverbs 9:14 KJV] For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,
[Proverbs 9:18 KJV] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

[Ezekiel 28:2 KJV] Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

[Amos 6:2-4 KJV] Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
[3] Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near;
[4] That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;

[Revelation 12:14 KJV] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

[Matthew 12:26 KJV] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

The Euphrates is kind of like the Vial Poured on The Sun ...It's not the literal river. It was Symbolic of Living Water. satan's church was left bone dry, It Made the unclean spirits reveal themselves.
The Sun Rises from The East. It's Saying The Leaders became prepared from The Rising Sun. They could see the fraud of catholics with the river dried up.

[Revelation 16:12-14 KJV] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

JESUS is Saying, don't you dare continue with satan's church after you see their con:

[Revelation 16:15-16 KJV] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

A Vial was Poured onto the prince of the power of air? Earthquakes are about shaking up what people thought was a Way to be in a Relationship with GOD:

[Revelation 16:17-18 KJV] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
[18] And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

[Ephesians 2:2 KJV] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

babylon is symbolic for carnal man attempting to control The Way to GOD ...tower of babel:

[Revelation 16:19 KJV] And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

[Lamentations 4:16 KJV] The anger of the LORD hath divided them; he will no more regard them: they respected not the persons of the priests, they favoured not the elders.

Mountains and islands are false attempts of Knowing GOD. an island is pretty much a mountain under the sea (society):

[Revelation 16:20 KJV] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Stumbling Stone Crushing:

[Revelation 16:21 KJV] And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

[Matthew 21:44 KJV] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

[Isaiah 8:14 KJV] And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

[1 Peter 2:8 KJV] And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

David Kent · Aug 12, 2023

iamlamad said:
It seems you are trying to compare oranges with apples.

Just because we are temples of the Holy Spirit has no bearing in any possible way with the Jews plan to build a physical temple. Did you not read that this physical temple has worshipers inside? Just as many Jews stand at the wailing wall and pray, when the temple is built they will stand inside the temple and pray. Again, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Christian believers that individually are temples of the Holy Spirit.

This new temple not only has worshipers inside worshiping, but it has an outer court given to the Gentiles. It is my guess that if we had a hundred beginning readers read this verse, all of they would say John was writing of a physical temple. I don't know why people find this difficult to believe. The Jews have overcome step after step required for a new temple, including the red heifer.

Absolutely it cannot refer to individual believers.

1Cor 6:19 What? know ye (plural) not that your(p) body (singular) is (p) the temple (s) of the Holy Ghost which is in you, (p) which ye (p) have of God, and ye (p) are not your (p) own?
One body, one temple.

It does not say, "Thy bodie is." or "Your bodies are temples of the holy spirit."
No, one body, one temple. Same as when Paul says temple of the Living God.
Who lives in a temple? God. All its members, true believers are the worshippers in that temple.

There will be no future temple made by hands, because Jesus died once and for all. Does not matter how many red heifers the Jews have.

iamlamad · Aug 12, 2023

David Kent said:
Absolutely it cannot refer to individual believers.

1Cor 6:19 What? know ye (plural) not that your(p) body (singular) is (p) the temple (s) of the Holy Ghost which is in you, (p) which ye (p) have of God, and ye (p) are not your (p) own?
One body, one temple.

It does not say, "Thy bodie is." or "Your bodies are temples of the holy spirit."
No, one body, one temple. Same as when Paul says temple of the Living God.
Who lives in a temple? God. All its members, true believers are the worshippers in that temple.

There will be no future temple made by hands, because Jesus died once and for all. Does not matter how many red heifers the Jews have.

Sorry, but it IS referring to individual believers. Paul was writing to many believers. We could even say he was writing to each of us today.

What? Know ye (he is writing to the church, so many believers) not that your body (Each individual reader's body)
is the temple of the Holy Ghost (each individual reader, if born again, is sealed with the Holy Spirit—He, the Holy Spirit, is in each one of us) which is in you (each individual) and which ye have from God, and that ye are not your own?

iamlamad · Aug 12, 2023

Reborn-Adopted said:
REVELATION 16
GOD'S Witness (CHRIST) was Talking from within The Temple:
Go your ways? Like He Told The Sons of GOD to do?

[Revelation 16:1 KJV] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

[Zechariah 1:10 KJV] And the man that stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, These are they whom the LORD hath sent to walk to and fro through the earth.

[Luke 10:3 KJV] Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

[Jeremiah 18:11 KJV] Now therefore go to, speak to the men of Judah, and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I frame evil against you, and devise a device against you: return ye now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good.

The Earth is The Relationship ...there are many that have the mark of the beast in it: so people thought they were in a Living Relationship because they included CHRIST in their religion ...but they were using Him as a minister of sin.

[Revelation 16:2 KJV] And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.

you couldn't Find The Living Relationship in worldly society anymore: blood of dead reprobates ...carnal. they don't have Living Blood.

[Revelation 16:3 KJV] And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

[Psalm 116:7-9 KJV] Return unto thy rest, O my soul; for the LORD hath dealt bountifully with thee.
[8] For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling.
[9] I will walk before the LORD in the land of the living.
[Psalm 116:16 KJV] O LORD, truly I am thy servant; I am thy servant, and the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds.

their religion is based on The Dead Advocate's Blood ...That Blood was only good until you Join Him on a Cross.
Fountains of waters is your conscience ...they got seared consciences: You want Living Waters Welling up inside you. Your eyes in Scripture is basically your mind's eye. That's what "Fountains" and "Well" are. Adam and Eve's eyes were opened ...Is your eye single when using your old self for free will?

[Revelation 16:4-6 KJV] And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
[5] And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
[6] For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

Proverbs 8:28 KJV — When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

[John 4:11 KJV] The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
[John 4:13-14 KJV] Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
[14] But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Psalm 18:26-29 KJV — With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward. For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks. For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness. For by thee I have run through a troop; and by my God have I leaped over a wall.

...Leaped over The Death Side of The Cross. ...delusion.

satan has high looks:

Isaiah 14:13-14 KJV — For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

[Hebrews 12:2 KJV] Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

[Revelation 1:7 KJV] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Out of The Altar? The Dead Advocate? We all get on that Altar to end our Romans 6 old man.

[Revelation 16:7 KJV] And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

JESUS Is your Father if you have Overcome ...He is your SUN. CHRIST was Given Wrath to Scorch:

[Revelation 16:8-9 KJV] And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
[9] And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.

[Revelation 7:16 KJV] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

[Jonah 4:8 KJV] And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live.

[Isaiah 49:10 KJV] They shall not hunger nor thirst; neither shall the heat nor sun smite them: for he that hath mercy on them shall lead them, even by the springs of water shall he guide them.

[James 1:11 KJV] For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

satan has a seat in one of the seven churches ...satan has a kingdom ...the broad gate chruch

[Revelation 16:10-11 KJV] And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[11] And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

[Revelation 2:13 KJV] I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

[Psalm 1:1 KJV] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

[Proverbs 9:14 KJV] For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,
[Proverbs 9:18 KJV] But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

[Ezekiel 28:2 KJV] Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

[Amos 6:2-4 KJV] Pass ye unto Calneh, and see; and from thence go ye to Hamath the great: then go down to Gath of the Philistines: be they better than these kingdoms? or their border greater than your border?
[3] Ye that put far away the evil day, and cause the seat of violence to come near;
[4] That lie upon beds of ivory, and stretch themselves upon their couches, and eat the lambs out of the flock, and the calves out of the midst of the stall;

[Revelation 12:14 KJV] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

[Matthew 12:26 KJV] And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

The Euphrates is kind of like the Vial Poured on The Sun ...It's not the literal river. It was Symbolic of Living Water. satan's church was left bone dry, It Made the unclean spirits reveal themselves.
The Sun Rises from The East. It's Saying The Leaders became prepared from The Rising Sun. They could see the fraud of catholics with the river dried up.

[Revelation 16:12-14 KJV] And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[13] And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[14] For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

JESUS is Saying, don't you dare continue with satan's church after you see their con:

[Revelation 16:15-16 KJV] Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[16] And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

A Vial was Poured onto the prince of the power of air? Earthquakes are about shaking up what people thought was a Way to be in a Relationship with GOD:

[Revelation 16:17-18 KJV] And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
[18] And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

[Ephesians 2:2 KJV] Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

babylon is symbolic for carnal man attempting to control The Way to GOD ...tower of babel:

[Revelation 16:19 KJV] And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Mountains and islands are false attempts of Knowing GOD. an island is pretty much a mountain under the sea (society):

[Revelation 16:20 KJV] And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Stumbling Stone Crushing:

[Revelation 16:21 KJV] And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

[Matthew 21:44 KJV] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

[Isaiah 8:14 KJV] And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

[1 Peter 2:8 KJV] And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

On the other hand, the timing of Revelation 16 is late in the last half of the FUTURE 70th week of Daniel, a seven year period of time also called the time of Jacob's trouble. No one knows the exact time when Father God will say "enough) and send the angels with the plagues to initiate their plagues and pour out the bowls of His wrath with each plague. God will use these bowls to SHORTEN "those days" of "great tribulation." (GT) (Matthew 24)

Then the days will continue as dark days of dread, people sitting in the dark, gnawing their tongues for pain, wondering what will come next. The final 1260 days (also written as 42 months) MUST be fulfilled, but the days of GT will be stopped.

Finally, the 1260th day will come and the final angel will pour out the 7th bowl and the 70th Week of Daniel will be finished. This will be accompanied with the world's worst earthquake that will literally shake the mountains down into the earth. It is the moment that God raises the Old Testament saints—as Jesus said—"on the last day."

The marriage in heaven must wait for the Old Testament saints, so John wrote of the marriage in chapter 19. Note that Jesus does not return on the last day of the Week as so many assume. He will remain in heaven for the marriage and supper. After the supper, then Jesus will get on His white horse, and the saints will follow him on white horses, to the Battle of Armageddon. Jesus will come this time TO STAY.

David Kent · Aug 13, 2023

iamlamad said:
On the other hand, the timing of Revelation 16 is late in the last half of the FUTURE 70th week of Daniel, a seven year period of time also called the time of Jacob's trouble. No one knows the exact time when Father God will say "enough) and send the angels with the plagues to initiate their plagues and pour out the bowls of His wrath with each plague. God will use these bowls to SHORTEN "those days" of "great tribulation." (GT) (Matthew 24)

Then the days will continue as dark days of dread, people sitting in the dark, gnawing their tongues for pain, wondering what will come next. The final 1260 days (also written as 42 months) MUST be fulfilled, but the days of GT will be stopped.

Finally, the 1260th day will come and the final angel will pour out the 7th bowl and the 70th Week of Daniel will be finished. This will be accompanied with the world's worst earthquake that will literally shake the mountains down into the earth. It is the moment that God raises the Old Testament saints—as Jesus said—"on the last day."

The marriage in heaven must wait for the Old Testament saints, so John wrote of the marriage in chapter 19. Note that Jesus does not return on the last day of the Week as so many assume. He will remain in heaven for the marriage and supper. After the supper, then Jesus will get on His white horse, and the saints will follow him on white horses, to the Battle of Armageddon. Jesus will come this time TO STAY.

Again, there is no future final week. Christ died in the midst of the seventieth prophetic week as well as the literal week.

iamlamad · Aug 13, 2023

David Kent said:
Again, there is no future final week. Christ died in the midst of the seventieth prophetic week as well as the literal week.

You are, of course, free to believe that, but I disagree. The week is laid out in Revelation, marked by sevens: it will begin at the 7th seal and end with the 7th bowl, with the midpoint marked by the 7th trumpet. Scripture has confirmed the second half of the week seven times, with the three and a half year time period: twice in Daniel and five times in Revelation.

What else can a verse mean but what it clearly says?

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This is a countdown or 42 months (or 3.5 years) from the timing of this verse (just days before the midpoint) to the end of the week. From this verse to the end, the city will be trampled with Gentiles.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

This is the number two out of five countdowns from the midpoint of the week to the end of the week. Starting with the timing of this verse, the two witnesses (probably Enoch and Elijah - the two men that as of yet have never died) will testify for the next 1260 days, or 3.5 years.

People often play games with these verses, but they are meant to be taken very literally.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 13, 2023

REVELATION 17

So what is babylon riding on? i'll get there but, you need to see a couple key things first:

JESUS as a Man was not Praying to Himself:

JESUS' HOLY SPIRIT Is not THE INFINITE FATHER'S HOLY SPIRIT.

[Galatians 1:1 KJV] Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)

This isn't a Third Person Quickening JESUS ...It's GOD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT Doing It:

[1 Peter 3:18 KJV] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

So, This was confusing me:

[John 10:14-18 KJV] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
[15] As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
[16] And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Being a Shepherd is about being The Leader of a Church. JESUS Laid down The Life of His Church and Brought It back to LIFE with His Return. You were in a dead Church until He Returned ...catholics continued with the dead church as a con for millions of people.

Don't get me wrong, the early Christians before 70 A.D. were in a Blood Covenant ...but you couldn't continue in the dead church after He Returned

...this is what the beast is and what the mother of harlots rides on!

all false churches are using the dead church. they say, "see our doctrine is supported by Scripture".

the con of Grace as a license to sin
being Grateful that He covers your new sins, minister of sin
sin nature, that you have to overcome satan's will growing back each day
unlimited forgiveness
imputed righteousness
sin-repent cycle
having to die daily, that you are still in a free will race open to future sin

...are all from this dead church.

Between Ascension and His Return is a dead church waiting to become a Living Church.

The Vials of Wrath were already Poured out, so This Judgment is in Remembrance:

[Revelation 17:1 KJV] And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters:

The Earth is man's attempt at a Relationship with GOD ...doing it man's way ...Adam was Kicked out to till the earth, remember? (Genesis 3:23 ) man fornicates ...commits adultery against GOD when using the tower of babel ...babylon:

[Revelation 17:2 KJV] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

the mother of harlots rides the beast and not the false prophet because babylon is using the beast's doctrine of dead bread for unlimited forgiveness (a minister of sin). their "tabernacle" has this dead bread in it:

[Revelation 17:3 KJV] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

the beast's trick:
[Revelation 13:6 KJV] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

we all know catholic big wigs are in purple, scarlet, and decked out with nonsense. they have a golden cup ...as if GOD would approve ...lol, JESUS Told us to be as low key with materials as possible ...these dudes were as flashy as you could be ...and they were full of abominations in GOD'S NAME ...including murder.

[Revelation 17:4 KJV] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

[Jeremiah 51:7 KJV] Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

turned into Babylon after? i think This is New Jerusalem before turning into the woman that rides the beast.

Proverbs 31:1-31 KJV — The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him. What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows? Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings. It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more. Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction. Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy. Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.

The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her,

so that he shall have no need of spoil. She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.

She seeketh wool, ( Hebrews 9:19 )

and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.

She is like the merchants' ships;

she bringeth her food from afar. She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.

She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.

She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.

She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
She maketh herself coverings of tapestry;

her clothing is silk and purple.

Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness. Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her. Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all. Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised. Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

things changed:

Lamentations 4:1-22 KJV — How is the gold become dim! how is the most fine gold changed! the stones of the sanctuary are poured out in the top of every street. The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!

Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness. The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them. They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets:

they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her. Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire: Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick. They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field. The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people. The LORD hath accomplished his fury; he hath poured out his fierce anger, and hath kindled a fire in Zion, and it hath devoured the foundations thereof.

The kings of the earth, and all the inhabitants of the world, would not have believed that the adversary and the enemy should have entered into the gates of Jerusalem.

For the sins of her prophets, and the iniquities of her priests,

that have shed the blood of the just in the midst of her,

They have wandered as blind men in the streets, they have polluted themselves with blood, so that men could not touch their garments. They cried unto them, Depart ye; it is unclean; depart, depart, touch not:

when they fled away and wandered, they said among the heathen, They shall no more sojourn there. The anger of the LORD hath divided them; he will no more regard them: they respected not the persons of the priests, they favoured not the elders. As for us, our eyes as yet failed for our vain help: in our watching we have watched for a nation that could not save us. They hunt our steps, that we cannot go in our streets: our end is near, our days are fulfilled; for our end is come. Our persecutors are swifter than the eagles of the heaven: they pursued us upon the mountains, they laid wait for us in the wilderness. The breath of our nostrils,

the anointed of the LORD, was taken in their pits, of whom we said, Under his shadow we shall live among the heathen. Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz;

the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked. The punishment of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion; he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins.

mystery because GOD wasn't going to let catholics know it was them at first. she is not the literal physical babylon ...more like the idea of babylon injecting her abominations into The Relationship. and we all know catholics are a mother of harlots. they even have a plaque that says mother of churches on it. well, "Most Holy Lateran Church, of all the churches in the city and the world, the Mother and Head" ...can't be more obvious than this:

they think they have The Keys Given to those in The Kingdom:

[Revelation 17:5 KJV] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

drunk on those during the dead church age. babylon is built on The Blood before 70 A.D. to make their doctrine sound legitimate. they had a hierarchy of power and GOD in a box. they thought hey had the keys to Heaven, so you had to go through them.
can you image John being shown the modern day church and wondering what he was looking at?

[Revelation 17:6-7 KJV] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
[7] And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

have you ever been in a catholic church before? there is nothing but death in there ...dead church

"the beast that was, and is not, and yet is" = It was The Church before JESUS Returned ...and It is not a church you want to be in anymore.

it has a bottomless Relationship Foundation ...perdition ...you are never going to get into The Living Relationship using it.

If you are not in The Book of LIFE ...you are not going to recognize satan's artificial life of unlimited forgiveness.

[Revelation 17:8 KJV] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

the woman sits on the beast, so we know these mountains have something to do with the dead church. branches of the dead church that use different artificial narrow ways.

[Revelation 17:9 KJV] And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

[Isaiah 4:1 KJV] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

We are Told to Overcome the 7 Churches (even ones with a good Report Card), Here is one Example of the Seven Times He Told us (Each Letter to a Church):
[Revelation 3:5 KJV] He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

kings are not literal kings Here ...they are leaders of dead church doctrine. 5 of the 7 churches were already dismissed ...one was current ...and one was still coming with false doctrine.

[Revelation 17:10 KJV] And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

so there were seven churches before the catholics of constantine? weird how the 7 churches of Rev 2-3 are in asia minor right by the city named after constantine. Constantinople ...modern day Istanbul. and looking like a horn. i guess it's possible the eighth had it's own set of 7 churches?

[Revelation 17:11 KJV] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

maybe this is when the catholics got together and started papal supremacy:

[Revelation 17:12-14 KJV] And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[13] These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[14] These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

society ...government:

[Revelation 17:15 KJV] And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

[Ezekiel 28:2 KJV] Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

they hated government run religion but they put up with it for awhile:

[Revelation 17:16-17 KJV] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
[17] For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

a symbolic city of monstrous church buildings that sell artificial Salvation:

[Revelation 17:18 KJV] And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

This Judgment had already happened so the kings could be the kings from Chapter 16, waiting for the River to dry up.

so babylon was included in the Vials of Wrath?

[Revelation 16:19 KJV] And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 13, 2023

REVELATION 18

Reborn-Adopted said:
full preterists get on my nerves trying to say the mother of harlots was Jerusalem. Was Jerusalem ever compared to babylon? Yes, of course ...but Revelation is Talking about a dead Jerusalem waiting to become New Jerusalem after 70 A.D. ...and then that New Jerusalem turning into the woman riding the beast ...babylon.

Jerusalem didn't have a shipping port!!!

Revelation 18:17-18 KJV — For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
Revelation 18:19 KJV — And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

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Does This really sound like Jerusalem to you?:

Revelation 18:11-13 KJV — And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

Physical Jerusalem was a daughter of babylon corruption ...not the mother itself.

Jeremiah 51:33 KJV — For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; The daughter of Babylon is like a threshingfloor, it is time to thresh her: yet a little while, and the time of her harvest shall come.

Zechariah 2:7 KJV — Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.

was physical babylon a daughter of babylon corruption? yes
[Isaiah 47:1,3,5-7 KJV] Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
[3] Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen: I will take vengeance, and I will not meet thee as a man.
[5] Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.
[6] I was wroth with my people, I have polluted mine inheritance, and given them into thine hand: thou didst shew them no mercy; upon the ancient hast thou very heavily laid thy yoke.
[7] And thou saidst, I shall be a lady for ever: so that thou didst not lay these things to thy heart, neither didst remember the latter end of it.

[Jeremiah 9:1-2 KJV] Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
[2] Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.

[Jeremiah 14:16-17 KJV] And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.
[17] Therefore thou shalt say this word unto them; Let mine eyes run down with tears night and day, and let them not cease: for the virgin daughter of my people is broken with a great breach, with a very grievous blow.

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Are you a futurist waiting for modern day Jews to be surrounded in The City of Jerusalem ...when they currently don't even own the Land of the whole City?

Premills love to talk about This:

[Zechariah 14:4 KJV] And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

but they leave out the rest of The Chapter:

Zechariah 14:2 KJV — For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

the usa backs modern day Israel ...this is never going to happen.

Last i checked, JESUS is already The King of Earth:

[Zechariah 14:9 KJV] And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Lamentations 5:11 KJV — They ravished the women in Zion, and the maids in the cities of Judah.

Isaiah 13:16 KJV — Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.

....was The Bride ravished to become the woman that rides the beast? the roman government figured out how

[Ezekiel 23:17-22 KJV] And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
[18] So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.
[19] Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
[20] For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.
[21] Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
[22] Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;

i think Jerusalem became a widow ...and then it happened again for The Blood Covenant

[Lamentations 1:1-3 KJV] How doth the city sit solitary, that was full of people! how is she become as a widow! she that was great among the nations, and princess among the provinces, how is she become tributary!
[2] She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.
[3] Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of great servitude: she dwelleth among the heathen, she findeth no rest: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits.

[Revelation 17:2 KJV] With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
[Revelation 17:16 KJV] And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

[Jeremiah 51:7 KJV] Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.

[Jeremiah 7:30 KJV] For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
[Jeremiah 7:34 KJV] Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

[Jeremiah 25:10 KJV] Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.

[Jeremiah 33:5 KJV] They come to fight with the Chaldeans, but it is to fill them with the dead bodies of men, whom I have slain in mine anger and in my fury, and for all whose wickedness I have hid my face from this city.

[Revelation 18:2 KJV] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

[Jeremiah 51:37 KJV] And Babylon shall become heaps, a dwellingplace for dragons, an astonishment, and an hissing, without an inhabitant.

[Jeremiah 50:29 KJV] Call together the archers against Babylon: all ye that bend the bow, camp against it round about; let none thereof escape: recompense her according to her work; according to all that she hath done, do unto her: for she hath been proud against the LORD, against the Holy One of Israel.

[Revelation 18:4 KJV] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[Revelation 18:6 KJV] Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
[Revelation 18:7 KJV] How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

[Isaiah 47:8-9 KJV] Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:
[9] But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

is there still mass government run catholics today?:

[Revelation 18:8 KJV] Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

[Isaiah 47:10-11 KJV] For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
[11] Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.

[Isaiah 47:12 KJV] Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.
[Isaiah 47:15 KJV] Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

[Revelation 18:11 KJV] And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

[Revelation 18:17-19 KJV] For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
[18] And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
[19] And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

There is THE WAY to be Delivered out of babylon:

[Micah 4:9 KJV] Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
[Micah 4:10 KJV] Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

Flee from the desolation of abomination ...the great falling away ...catholics

[Jeremiah 51:6 KJV] Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD'S vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence.

[2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 KJV] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

"catholic" means "universal" ...unify. if you know anything about constantine, unity is all he cared about.

[Genesis 11:4 KJV] And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

all i see is people being seduced into using satan's artifical way. Babylon fornication. free will, sin nature, imputed Righteousness, sin-repent cycle, and unlimited forgiveness is getting in bed with her. adultery.

it's getting in bed with The Dead Advocate. The LORD Is LIVING!!! A Living LORD doesn't continue to Forgive your new sins.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 13, 2023

REVELATION 19

Alleluia = Praise ye The LORD, Hallelujah
"voice of much people in heaven" ...the servants killed by babylon:

[Revelation 19:1-2 KJV] And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
[2] For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great harlot, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.

side note: if babylon's smoke rose up for ever and ever ...and babylon was a concept ...do physical humans get tormented in hell for Eternity?:

[Revelation 19:3 KJV] And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.

Or is It Saying they never have GOD'S REST while alive? They will never be out of delusion. they will never be in The Living Relationship.

[Revelation 14:11 KJV] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

GOD wants us to know This Symbolism is still by The Throne:

[Revelation 19:4 KJV] And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

JESUS Is now Sitting in The Throne with THE FATHER: i think He was Standing next to It before This.

[Revelation 19:5 KJV] And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great.
[Revelation 19:6 KJV] And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

babylon is over so New Jerusalem is back and Made Herself Ready:

[Revelation 19:7-8 KJV] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
[8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

We can now Join The Wedding ...what is your excuse?

[Revelation 19:9 KJV] And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

[Matthew 22:12 KJV] And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

John got to see things no human had seen before, he is excused for not knowing what to do:

[Revelation 19:10 KJV] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

When Heaven Opens, you know we are about to see something extra Symbolic: We all know This is LORD JESUS CHRIST.

[Revelation 19:11 KJV] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

Righteous Flame Eyes:

[Revelation 19:12 KJV] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

[Isaiah 62:2 KJV] And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

[Revelation 2:17 KJV] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

[Revelation 3:12 KJV] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

You know This isn't a normal War when He already has His Sacrificed Blood on Him. This is a War of The Quickened vs gog and magog.
The LOGOS Of GOD

[Revelation 19:13 KJV] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

[Revelation 19:14 KJV] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

[Jude 1:14-16 KJV] And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
[15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
[16] These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

The Sword Guards The Way past the Cherubims of delusion ...to Eternal LIFE. The Rod of Iron is a Shepherd's Staff. you better hope your grapes are not from satan's way.

[Revelation 19:15 KJV] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[Revelation 19:16 KJV] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

[Genesis 3:24 KJV] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

angels are invited to feed on those in the false church:

[Revelation 19:17 KJV] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

[Eze 39:1 KJV] Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
[Eze 39:4 KJV] Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

[Revelation 19:18 KJV] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

[Eze 39:17 KJV] And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
[Eze 39:18 KJV] Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
[Eze 39:19 KJV] And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
[Eze 39:20 KJV] Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
[Eze 39:21 KJV] And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

the beast makes war with The Body Of CHRIST:

[Revelation 19:19 KJV] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

the lake of fire is the second death ...that means if your church is using satan's artificial narrow ways ...then you are reprobate: second death has no power over someone that refuses to leave The Living Relationship.

[Revelation 19:20 KJV] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[Revelation 19:21 KJV] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

[Eze 39:23 KJV] And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
[Eze 39:24 KJV] According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

[Ezekiel 39:11 KJV] And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

This Battle in Ezekiel 39 never physically happened. That Means It was Symbolic back then also.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 18, 2023

REVELATION 20

Key to revealing the false church ...they are a bottomless pit ...they have no Foundation for a Relationship with GOD:
A great chain of linking Scripture to Shine Light on their delusions:

[Revelation 20:1 KJV] And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

the dragon is the father of lies ...the father of free will:

[Revelation 20:2 KJV] And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

people were not handed over to satan for delusion for a Thousand Years ...but everyone today won't shut up about their love of free will ...that means the Thousand Years are over:

[Revelation 20:3 KJV] And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

He saw people on Crosses and people that didn't have satan as their head anymore. if satan is your head, you have his mark of ownership.

[Revelation 20:4 KJV] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

[Isaiah 22:23 KJV] And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.

[Matthew 19:28 KJV] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

We were Told all along that The Resurrection is in Two Parts. The Regeneration First Resurrection is The Resurrection of The Just ...this already Started 2,000 years ago:

[Revelation 20:5 KJV] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

[Daniel 12:2-3 KJV] And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
[3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

[John 5:29 KJV] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Were they Hoping for the end of time? No:

[Acts 24:15-16 KJV] And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
[16] And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

[1 Peter 4:7 KJV] But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

He Returned 2,000 years ago:

[1 Peter 4:17-18 KJV] For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
[18] And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

And Wow, It Really Says This: They had to suffer to ignore free will and Do GOD'S Will:

[1 Peter 4:19 KJV] Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

People in the Second Resurrection are not Blessed. You know who doesn't have to worry about a second death? Those with Eternal LIFE ...those Born of The SPIRIT. You can't die again if your old man is still Crucified:

[Revelation 20:6 KJV] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What do we have today? people saying GOD gave them free will:

[Revelation 20:7-8 KJV] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

i think this is where the false church currently is in The Timeline of Revelation: right before the broad gate to destruction.

they have surrounded The Saved trying to pretend they are not in delusion. they are pretending to be The Wall of The City.

[Revelation 20:9 KJV] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[Isaiah 33:14-17 KJV] The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
[15] He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
[16] He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
[17] Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.

unclean spirits selling free will ends: defining good and evil for yourself ends:

[Revelation 20:10 KJV] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The chance of Repentance ends also:

[Revelation 20:11 KJV] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

[Daniel 2:35 KJV] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

[Hebrews 12:17 KJV] For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

[2 Timothy 2:25-26 KJV] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[26] And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Not Talking about the physical dead ...it's those with a dead Relationship to GOD.

[Revelation 20:12-13 KJV] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

there is no coming out of delusion after a second death ...you are never going to be in The Living Relationship:

[Revelation 20:14-15 KJV] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 19, 2023

So absolute free will is about to end as Rev 20 Points out.

satan is the father of lies ...what do you think your version of free will is? Are you on The Narrow Way of TRUTH? Then there is no more Sacrifice for sin.

John 8:43-45 KJV — Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Hebrews 10:26 KJV — For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

people that hold the dead church doctrine of absolute free will are declaring they can ignore what is Written to their heart and choose satan's artificial way of destruction. Scripture only supports free will for choosing LIFE or death ...until you have Eternal LIFE.

If you think you can still choose death, then you don't have Eternal LIFE. if you can't choose death anymore, what free will do you still have?

premills are trying to clown GOD by pretending they are still before Eternal LIFE Came ...they are wicked children of satan.

Eternal LIFE isn't some mystery ...you can't choose death anymore ...you always have LIFE. Or did you think we needed told we would Live Eternally in an already Infinite Afterlife?

absolute free will after Eternal LIFE Became Available, turned satan into their savior. if free will is more than choosing Life or death ...then satan is your father. your father has tricked you into thinking GOD gave you satan's will.

Woe to them that defined good and evil for themselves from the tree of knowledge!

[Isaiah 5:20-21 KJV] Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
[21] Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

Grace is for those trying to remain Ghosts. They couldn't Remain on their Cross until He Returned ...so they needed Grace. the false church thinks they can continue to use Grace in the same way without permanently Remaining on their Cross. artificial Grace is the broad gate to destruction because people think they "receive" a free pass to Heaven if they blow CHRIST some kisses.

If you were Loyal, you could get by on Grace ...but you today are not Loyal (Faith), He Returned to Make Remaining on The Narrow Way of Loyalty Possible. So you are Not Justified by Faith either.

Hebrews 10:29 KJV — Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

you claim you have His Definitions on your Heart and yet say you have the free will to ignore It ...aka, you don't have Grace and you are not Loyal.

do you understand the premill con yet?

Ephesians 2:8 KJV — For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 5:1 KJV — Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Hebrews 12:2 KJV — Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

They had Hope of Eternal LIFE ...they didn't have It yet:

[Titus 3:7 KJV] That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

To know GOD is to refuse to know good and evil for yourself. as soon as you try to define good and evil, you die from being able to know GOD in a Relationship. most don't have Eternal LIFE because they know death ...free will. free will declares you can fall away at any time. you don't care about Eternal LIFE at all ...you don't care about Knowing GOD and His Law/Definitions on your Heart.

John 17:3 KJV — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

you can't even Worship GOD unless The Door is Closed to free will artificial paths. And you are not Born of The SPIRIT unless you have a ghost from your permanently Crucified old self.

John 4:22-24 KJV — Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Joshua 24:19 KJV — And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

JESUS Is The Judge ...do you think He is going to Judge His sons and daughters?

do you think someone with Eternal LIFE goes to a Final Judgment where their Eternal LIFE can be Judged away? most of you prefer satan's artifical life of absolute free will ...you can be hurt by the second death ...you will face Judgment. All you had to do was give up free will after choosing GOD'S Definitions of who is Saved.

does This sound like absolute free will is a good thing?:

Psalm 81:11-13 KJV — But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels. Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!

they were handed over to the tree of knowledge of good and evil
they were handed over to free will
they were handed over to their own council to choose what good and evil is
they were handed over to satan's delusion
they were handed over to an anti-Relationship with GOD ...death.

free will is only about choosing Life or death ...there were Two Trees in the middle of The Garden!!!

the dragon was a murderer from the beginning ...murdering people's Relationship with GOD.

Are you Free from designing your own narrow way to destruction?

John 8:36 KJV — If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
John 8:38 KJV — I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

if you still have any kind of free will, you have been given over to satan's delusion.

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free will was all over the place before GOD Started a Way to have a Relationship with Him:

Genesis 1:2 KJV — And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

the serpent offered free will to Eve ...she already knew what it was, from before being in The Garden. sorry, there wasn't a talking snake. there was Eve thinking back to how free will was. satan and free will is the same thing:

Genesis 3:4-5 KJV — And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

they knew they were back to how they were before being in The Relationship with GOD:

Genesis 3:7 KJV — And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

free will is the dragon ...chaos ...disorder ...anti-Relationship with GOD ...darkness

[2 Peter 1:19 KJV] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Adam chose free will to end his Relationship with GOD. why do you think they got Kicked out of The Garden?

[Genesis 2:17 KJV] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

it takes free will to be able to define good and evil.

Did you Overcome free will yet?

Genesis 3:15 KJV — And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Romans 16:20 KJV — And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. ...

if you still have free will after Eternal LIFE Became Available ...you are owned by satan with his mark.

Was JESUS being tempted by some dude with horns in the wilderness ...no, JESUS was being tempted to use the free will He had before His Baptism.

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you are free will double minded until you choose Eternal LIFE. you have to die daily when you still have satan's mind in you. you won't have a single eye and full of Light until The Door is Permanently Closed to free will.

[James 1:8 KJV] A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
[James 4:8 KJV] Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

if your only Scriptural proof of free will is people falling away from Faith, then free will is only about choosing LIFE or death. you twisted It to mean free will is about every mundane choice ...you do this because satan's will is your God. you have the nerve to say GOD THE FATHER can choose death from Himself with satan's will.

the false church has a very clever way of sneaking in imputed Righteousness ...they say they are Born of The SPIRIT by having GOD'S SPIRIT in them instead of killing off their Rom 6 old man. JESUS Said to get on a Cross!!! you can't choose death (free will) if you are already dead to your old self. you can't Walk in The SPIRIT if you don't have a Ghost from your dead old man.

[John 21:19 KJV] This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

their goal is to make it sound like GOD has absolute free will also by making free will about every choice you make. Adam chose satan's version of The Narrow Way ...he wanted to remain in The Relationship to GOD while having access to free will. he started walking after the flesh ...just like you are.

i have Eternal LIFE, that means i only choose LIFE because CHRIST is in me ...you have the option to choose death because satan is in you.

the snare of absolute free will has millions of people in delusion... satan's will.

2 Timothy 2:26 KJV — And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

you can't have free will without having access to satan's will of rebellion. having an open Door to future sin means your old self is still alive. that open Door is literally free will. it's letting the son of perdition have a say at your decision table even if you always ignore him.

it's an attempt to keep the narrow way offered to Eve by the serpent saying her old self doesn't have to die. the false church has Scripture to make it sound legitimate ...but falls apart when you know JESUS already Returned with Inheritance.

We all know they could fall from Grace before He Returned ...it's the same dead church doctrine that catholics use:

1. “Fall from grace” – Galatians 5:1-4,13
2. “Be led away with error” – 2 Peter 3:17
3. “Err from the truth” – James 5:19-20
4. “Weak brother may perish” – 1 Corinthians 8:11
5. “Fall into condemnation” – James 5:12
6. “Be moved away from the hope” – Colossians 1:21-23
7. “Deny the Lord who bought them” – 2 Peter 2:1
8. “Depart from the living God” – Hebrews 3:12
9. “Can be a castaway” – 1 Corinthians 9:27
10. “Can become accursed children” – 2 Peter 2:14

so everyone knows choosing death to your Relationship with GOD is a free will choice ...but Scripture doesn't support mundane choices being free will. what people are really saying is that we can't have Eternal LIFE yet.

Mark 10:30 KJV — But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

[Matthew 12:32 KJV] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

so you see two different worlds ...right? We are the world after JESUS Returned.

Is the Age to come, The Afterlife ...or now in this age when His Grace and Kindness are desperately needed?

Ephesians 2:7 KJV — That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

sounds like free will death to me:
Jeremiah 18:12 KJV — And they said, There is no hope: but we will walk after our own devices, and we will every one do the imagination of his evil heart.

Adam had free will before being Put into The Garden. so he wanted satan's will to get it back after being in The Living Relationship with GOD.

i'm proof we can remain on The Living Side of The Cross without free will.

Eternal LIFE and GOD'S Definitions on your heart is the same Thing. for you to say you can still choose death and make your own definitions, implies JESUS is on your own personal Cross ...that's called imputed Righteousness ...that is the broad gate to destruction.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 19, 2023

REVELATION 21

Welcome to the Chapter for those that Overcame ...Those with Inheritance and Redemption after He Returned. You skip over The White Throne Judgment that the false church is about to go to. You are Born of Water and The SPIRIT.

So the Born Again have a New Heaven and Earth ...with no sea ...they are not in society ...satan does not own them:

[Revelation 21:1 KJV] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Has This Happened for you yet?:

[Revelation 21:2 KJV] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

i am a Temple for GOD ...a Pillar ...GOD Dwells in me. i'm very aware of the separation a death sin would cause:

[Revelation 21:3 KJV] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

rotten things can still happen to us, but we have His LIFE in us to get us through it ...we Know GOD ...no more struggle to Know Him. No more death to their Relationship with GOD:

[Revelation 21:4 KJV] And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

[Isaiah 60:20 KJV] Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended.

All things are New ...with you:

[Revelation 21:5 KJV] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

It is done ...we can be Born Again to The Image of GOD. Athirst of a clean conscience:

[Revelation 21:6 KJV] And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

JESUS Becomes your FATHER. His FATHER is still THE Infinite FATHER.

Are you JESUS' Son as you claim we can't Overcome the dead Relationship yet?

[Revelation 21:7 KJV] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

[John 8:38-39 KJV] I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
[39] They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

[Isaiah 43:27-28 KJV] Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.
[28] Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

So why is GOD talking about these types of people if The Final Judgment happened in the Chapter before? ...well, because The Born Again are here among them:

[Revelation 21:8 KJV] But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The Born Again in The Body Of CHRIST have LIGHT in them:

[Revelation 21:9-11 KJV] And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
[10] And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
[11] Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Narrow Gates into The New City. The Names of The Tribes are here because Jacob became Israel ...Metaphor of becoming Born Again:

[Revelation 21:12-13 KJV] And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
[13] On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

A Foundation is what Abraham was looking for ...A Foundation to have a Living Relationship with GOD:

[Revelation 21:14 KJV] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Measuring stuff in Scripture happens more than you think. (Judge for yourself if It Is HOLY ...you weigh the facts) Weigh the Justice Scale. These are The Twelve Stones the High Priest would wear. New Jerusalem is Symbolic of Jacob Getting into a Relationship with GOD: (The Foundations)

[Revelation 21:15-21 KJV] And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
[16] And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
[17] And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
[18] And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
[19] And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
[20] The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
[21] And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

No physical temple ...The Born Again don't need to go to a physical church to Know GOD:

[Revelation 21:22 KJV] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Do you have any idea how important it is to have His LIGHT in you?:

[Revelation 21:23 KJV] And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

[Isaiah 60:19 KJV] The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

See, It Tells you New Jerusalem already Started Amongst the wicked here on planet earth:

[Revelation 21:24 KJV] And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

No night there ...no disorder ...you are not doing your own will there:

[Revelation 21:25-26 KJV] And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
[26] And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Again, Clueing you in that there are still wicked people around:

[Revelation 21:27 KJV] And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Son of Man Rebirth:
The whole Israel Thing was a Metaphor of JESUS Becoming our Father.

Isaiah 43 Is 1 Cor 15 and directly related to Rev 21

[Isaiah 43:1 KJV] But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

[Isaiah 43:2 KJV] When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

[Isaiah 43:3 KJV] For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Isaiah 43:6-7 KJV — I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth; Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

[Isaiah 43:8-9 KJV] Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
[9] Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

GOD Formed? This Is JESUS:
LORD JESUS CHRIST Is GOD of the world. my FATHER.

Isaiah 43:10 KJV — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

[Isaiah 43:13 KJV] Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?

Babylon merchant ships:

Isaiah 43:14 KJV — Thus saith the LORD, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; For your sake I have sent to Babylon, and have brought down all their nobles, and the Chaldeans, whose cry is in the ships.

Jacob became Israel ...The Reborn:

Isaiah 43:15-16 KJV — I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
16 — Thus saith the LORD, which maketh a way in the sea, and a path in the mighty waters;

second death, lake of fire:

[Isaiah 43:17 KJV] Which bringeth forth the chariot and horse, the army and the power; they shall lie down together, they shall not rise: they are extinct, they are quenched as tow.

Don't look back to free will:

Isaiah 43:18 KJV — Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.

Makes all things New ...New Creation:

Isaiah 43:19 KJV — Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert.

[Isaiah 43:20-21 KJV] The beast of the field shall honour me, the dragons and the owls: because I give waters in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert, to give drink to my people, my chosen.
[21] This people have I formed for myself; they shall shew forth my praise.

Past sins are gone

Isaiah 43:25 KJV — I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

satan was your father, Jacob was under delusion:

Isaiah 43:27-28 KJV — Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me. Therefore I have profaned the princes of the sanctuary, and have given Jacob to the curse, and Israel to reproaches.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 20, 2023

JESUS Had to Physically Raise so that we could spiritually raise to be Born of The SPIRIT:

[1 Corinthians 15:12-13 KJV] Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

the false church wants This to mean that we have to Physically Raise also ...but It doesn't Say that:

[1 Corinthians 15:16-17 KJV] For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

What It did just Say is that if you are not Born Again ...you are still dead in your sins.

They couldn't have Eternal LIFE yet!:

[1 Corinthians 15:19 KJV] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

Again, JESUS Had to be The FIRST FRUIT for us to be become one:

[1 Corinthians 15:20 KJV] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Adam started death to The Relationship with GOD with satan telling them they could use free will. There is no sin nature ...there is only other people thinking they are in The Relationship while using free will. JESUS as THE SON OF MAN Gave us THE WAY to FIX our RELATIONSHIP:

[1 Corinthians 15:21-22 KJV] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

They couldn't Raise until He Returned:

[1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is a Chapter about Rebirth ...so what is This doing Here? Well, it's your carnal kingdom (old self) that gets Delivered up: It's around 70 A.D., so this is also about Israel ending.

[1 Corinthians 15:24 KJV] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

We can Now have Victory over a dead Relationship with GOD:

[1 Corinthians 15:25-26 KJV] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

See, This Whole Chapter is about Romans 6 Rebirth ...and Revelation 21:

[1 Corinthians 15:27-29 KJV] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. 29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

[Romans 6:3-10 KJV] Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

[Romans 16:20 KJV] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

They had to die daily because He didn't Return yet: if you think you still have to die daily ...then you are excusing satan's free will growing back each day.

[1 Corinthians 15:30-31 KJV] And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? 31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Paul is Saying, What good is the Spiritual Fight if we never become Reborn?:

[1 Corinthians 15:32-33 KJV] If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. 33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

the false church doesn't think their sins count:

[1 Corinthians 15:34 KJV] Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Paul calls you a fool if you think you physically Raise:

[1 Corinthians 15:35-36 KJV] But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

[1 Corinthians 15:38 KJV] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Those with Eternal LIFE are not going to go back to corruption:

[1 Corinthians 15:42 KJV] So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

JESUS was Glorified on His Cross ...we are Glorified on our own Cross:

[1 Corinthians 15:43 KJV] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

We don't Raise to Physical Bodies:

[1 Corinthians 15:44 KJV] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

We each are a first and last Adam ...if we Raised with Him:

[1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [was made] a quickening spirit.

Making It Clear ...we are born physical first ...then some of us become Reborn:

[1 Corinthians 15:46 KJV] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Now This is Wild ...The Original Manuscripts don't use the Word "LORD" in This Verse: The Second Man is of Heaven! ...you are of Heaven if you are Born Again:

you don't want to be earthy:

[1 Corinthians 15:48 KJV] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

This Verse is Amazing: Reborn Kingdom Image

[1 Corinthians 15:49 KJV] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Telling you again, your physical body isn't in The Kingdom:

[1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

They were Changed in the twinkling of an eye around 70 A.D.: And It was a Mystery to them ...not us.

[1 Corinthians 15:51-52 KJV] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Immortality is Everlasting LIFE:

[1 Corinthians 15:53 KJV] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

Have you Overcome death yet?

[1 Corinthians 15:54 KJV] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

the strength of your delusion depends on GOD'S Definitions:

[1 Corinthians 15:55-56 KJV] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

There is no Bridge to The Infinite FATHER without The Son:

[1 Corinthians 15:57 KJV] But thanks [be] to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Their Labor was not in vain as CHRIST Returned:

[1 Corinthians 15:58 KJV] Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 26, 2023

choosing free will as your God after Everlasting LIFE became Available to you ...is becoming an agent for satan. you chose his artificial light because you thought you could remain in The Relationship while using his free will delusion. you didn't Overcome anything.

The whole point of JESUS being here was so that we would Know GOD:

John 17:3 KJV — And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
people know their modified definitions from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

To Know GOD Is Eternal LIFE. So He didn't come here to save you from being tortured for infinity. He came here to get you off the tree of knowledge of good and evil ...because you can't Know GOD when eating from that tree.

Genesis 3:22 KJV — And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Anyone in The Living Relationship has a Fear of being Kicked out of It.

[John 15:21 KJV] But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

catholic:

Since you are using a term that is not found in scripture, please understand the meanings and implications within this term. Otherwise, use different words to explain your premise. You cannot just redefine terms to make them correspond to your misgivings and delusions.

if it isn't in Scripture then stop saying GOD Gave it to you.

catholic:

"it" is an idea that we are responsible and accountable for our own actions. "It" is part of the nature of our objective reality. If one believes that an entity or other outside force has not pre-determined everything that happens, and believes that we control some aspect of our fates by virtue of our thoughts and actions, and believes that God created the cosmos in which this condition occurs, then by extention God gave "it" to us. (Though I don't say "God gave us free will", as that is a rather absurd statement) You just like putting random words in the mouths of everyone, including God.

Do you think you have free will to show how responsible you can be by not choosing death with it? Scripture only supports free will of Life or death. you are not impressing GOD by always choosing Life every day after we could Enter The Kingdom. you are declaring satan's will grows back each day.

declaring you could go back to your old self at any time means your Roms 6 old man is still alive.
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hey everyone, look how responsible i'm being with death, it's sitting at my decision table, but i don't ever vote for him.

i'm not in the broad gate because GOD'S going to see i didn't have to have The Door Closed to it ...to still be in a Relationship with Him.

yes, i'm why the son of perdition is still alive in me ...he gets fed from the tree of knowledge. GOD Gave us the free gift of free will, right? JESUS was here so we could continue in what satan offered Eve ...right?

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Everlasting LIFE is Available right now, but you reject CHRIST'S BLOOD!!!

catholic:

Doesn't it feel sort of wrong to manipulate and reinterpret the whole Bible according to your personal grievances?

you are saying, doesn't if feel wrong to question what we established through the tree of knowledge of good and evil? ...man's doctrine.

you twisted GOD'S Definitions to make Love be about pride ...you have pride in being responsible with satan's free will.

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This picture is dead church doctrine, The Church was dead until He Returned ...the false church excuses their doctrine by saying CHRIST didn't Return. they are saying satan's will grows back each day ...do any of you know what Eternal LIFE Is?

1 Corinthians 11:26 KJV — For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

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weird how the flesh is such a big fan of free will:

Romans 8:4-8 KJV — That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

most of you eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil... you have redefined GOD'S Definitions ...Definitions of What? LOVE

you have turned satan's free will into Love.

Matthew 22:37-40 KJV — Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

false prophets have a tale to convince you to eat from that tree:

[Revelation 12:4 KJV] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

show me Scripture of free will for mundane choices and not for Life or death. and when you can't do that, explain to me how THE CREATOR can choose death. do you have any idea what death is? sin is death ...separation from THE CREATOR ...so again, how does GOD have free will?

most want The Infinite FATHER to have free will to explain why they still have it after claiming Eternal LIFE. they ignorantly have made free will their god.

It's a simple question: Can you ignore what is Written to your heart and choose death with free will? if your answer is yes, then you don't have anything on your heart.

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 26, 2023

How do you know when The OT Is Referring to The Infinite FATHER Vs CHRIST? The Infinite FATHER doesn't Judge ...do you know how much Judgment there is in The OT? The Infinite FATHER Created The Universe, Physics, and Time ...THE SON Created The LIVING Relationship with His FATHER. The Bible Is about That Relationship Bridge.

Does anyone understand that Time, Physics, and Physicality would have stopped if The Infinite FATHER Became Human? He Said He Sent His SON ...and That's What He Did. JESUS Is my GOD ...but JESUS Has A FATHER.

This isn't Saying JESUS Created The Universe ...don't you think it's weird that they start Talking about Thrones?

Colossians 1:15-18 KJV — Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Ask yourself why you are fighting so hard to Make JESUS HIS FATHER. i'll tell you why, you want The Infinite FATHER to have your beloved free will.

JESUS Was THE IMAGE Of His FATHER. If you Saw JESUS, you knew what His FATHER Is Like.

John 14:8-11 KJV — Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

John 1:18 KJV — No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

1 John 4:12 KJV — No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

protestant:

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

He is my Father ...but He isn't The Infinite FATHER.

Revelation 21:7 KJV — He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

JESUS Is a Mighty GOD to those that Overcome ...but most don't Overcome.

Exodus 15:2 KJV — The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

Exodus 15:11 KJV — Who is like unto thee, O LORD, among the gods? who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders?

Luke 20:37-38 KJV — Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

Do you have His REST??? REST from what???

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The LORD Of Hosts from The OT Is CHRIST and not directly The Infinite FATHER?

Isaiah 18:7 KJV — In that time shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled, and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion.

Hebrews 10:29-31 KJV — Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Isaiah 5:16 KJV — But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isaiah 33:22 KJV — For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

John 5:22-23 KJV — For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 5:26-27 KJV — For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Luke 12:51 KJV — Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV — For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

1 Corinthians 15:57 KJV — But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Exodus 14:4 KJV — And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so.

Exodus 14:24 KJV — And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the LORD looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians,

Who Gave these lands up? Is GOD The Infinite FATHER playing chess here or is It more likely to be CHRIST The LORD Of HOSTS?:

Isaiah 43:3 KJV — For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

Genesis 13:17 KJV — Arise, walk through the land in the length of it and in the breadth of it; for I will give it unto thee.

This is a major problem for hebrew roots ...they completely ignore JESUS ...but surprise ...JESUS Is The GOD Of The OT. His FATHER Is The Infinite FATHER.

John 5:18 KJV — Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

JESUS was Equal to The LORD GOD Of Hosts ...Because That's Who CHRIST Is:

Philippians 2:6 KJV — Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

John 6:62-64 KJV — What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Isaiah 52:6 KJV
Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

Jeremiah 44:2 KJV — Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Ye have seen all the evil that I have brought upon Jerusalem, and upon all the cities of Judah; and, behold, this day they are a desolation, and no man dwelleth therein,

Reborn-Adopted · Aug 26, 2023

Full preterism is wrong, there were still authentic Jews after 70 A.D.:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanhedrin

"After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, the Sanhedrin was re-established in Yavneh, with reduced authority, by agreement between Yochanan ben Zakai and Roman Emperor Vespasian. Vespasian agreed in part due to the perception that the Pharisees had not participated in the first revolt to the extent that other groups had. Thus the Sanhedrin in Yavneh was comprised almost exclusively of pharisaic scholars. The imperial Roman government recognized the Sanhedrin. They regarded the head of the Sanhedrin as their own paid government official with the status of Prefect. Roman legislation severely reduced the scope of its authority, but confirmed the body's ultimate authority in religious matters. In an attempt to quash revolutionary elements, Rome in effect declared one form of Judaism to be the only recognized form of religion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavne

"Yavne holds a special place in Jewish history because of its contribution to Judaism's recovery and reconstitution under sages ben Zakkai and Gamaliel II following the destruction of the Second Temple. This period, sometimes known as the "Yavne period", became a crucial mark in the development of Rabbinic Judaism."

"Under Late Roman and Byzantine rule, it had a mixed population of Christians, Jews, and Samaritans."

"The ancient site is now found in the Tel Yavne archeological site"

"During the First Jewish–Roman War, when the Roman army quelled the insurrection in Galilee, the army marched upon Iamnia and Azotus, taking both towns and stationing garrisons within them. According to rabbinic tradition, Rabbi Yohanan ben Zakkai and his disciples were permitted to settle in Iamnia during the outbreak of the war, after Zakkai, realizing that Jerusalem was about to fall, departed the city and sought the permission of Vespasian, commander of the Roman forces, to settle in Yavne and teach his disciples. Upon the fall of Jerusalem, his school functioned as a Sanhedrin. It is also rumored to have been the site of the Council of Jamnia that established the rabbinic Jewish biblical canon."
umm, what? If that really happened, It was the last thing GOD ever Said to them:

"According to the Jerusalem Talmud (Berakhot 1:4), when the rabbis argued over some fine point of Jewish law, a Divine voice (Hebrew: bat ḳol) was heard in Yavne, ruling in favor of the School of Hillel. To counter a perceived threat to rabbinical authority, the Talmud states that Shmuel ha-Katan of Yavne enacted the "twelfth benediction" in the daily prayer, i.e., the benediction against apostates and heretics (Hebrew: minim)."
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If Jews didn't end, then what Tribulation did the Churches in Asia Minor face (Rev 2-3)? It must have been Spiritual and not exactly 70 A.D.

What was the purpose of the Sanhedrin after The Temple fell? Well, to replace It with something else. they obviously made deals with rome ...and not GOD.

Authentic Jews did not end in 70 A.D. ...but their Way to Salvation did:

John 4:22 KJV — Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

[Isaiah 45:21-22 KJV] Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
[22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

JESUS and Daniel Warned us about an abomination of desolation ...the replacement for GOD. many today replace GOD with free will. The Trinity lie started way back and excuses your use of free will after choosing LIFE. The Trinity was designed to make CHRIST your servant and on your personal Cross ...making you free to keep the son of perdition at your decision table (absolute and artificial free will).

[2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, 11 KJV] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Jeremiah 7:30, 34 For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it. 34 Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

When The Temple Ends there will be 3.75 years (not 3.5 years) ...and then the abomination of desolation will be set up ...free will ...Trinity. And doesn't Say "Sacrifice" in The Hebrew Text ... "Daily" Means "Perpetual":

[Daniel 12:11 KJV] And from the time that the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

[Leviticus 6:13 KJV] The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

[Matthew 23:19 KJV] Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

Blessed are those that make it through the offer to turn back to free will:

[Daniel 12:12 KJV] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

do to the insane people we have today, i have to stress, i don't not condone violence on anyone for any reason. attacking modern day Jews would be like attacking your family members that are not Born Again ...it would be completely pointless to do it ...and GOD would toss you out of The Living Relationship for doing so!

This Is Saying, Don't go back to free will after He Returns:

Matthew 24:17-18,44 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Jacob's Trouble is wrestling with free will.

No one with His Yoke is looking back to when they had free will:

Luke 9:62 KJV — And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

all false churches have a way of skipping over the Final Judgment without having Eternal LIFE. ...it's called imputed Righteousness. the only way to use that artificial path is to redefine GOD'S Definitions from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. you are like gods ...using satan's will to do it.

satan was saying that Eve wouldn't die if she went back to using free will:

[Genesis 3:4-5 KJV] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

same delusion:
"When God looks at my sins,
God does not see me,
He Sees Jesus! "

Premills think their magic Glorified bodies will give them a free pass through Judgment. they keep swooning for a day where GOD Forces them to stop using free will. So they obviously don't think they will be Judged. they think just because they know GOD is Real ...that they get a free pass.

Full Preterists don't want this place to be a Test anymore. so they force The White Throne Judgment of Rev 20 to be over for everyone ...It is over for those with Eternal LIFE ...but they don't have Eternal LIFE.

you can't be a Full Preterist without being a calvinist. they demand they won't have a Final Judgment so their choices don't matter ...they are fine with satan's free will. ...imputed Righteousness. they think they are already in The Kingdom, so why care about choosing LIFE?

isn't it a little weird there were already gnostics around for 1 John 1? Was It Written later than we think?

"Gnostics also believed that mankind was wholly evil and some sects even renounced marriage and procreation.":
The latter times obviously already happened:

[1 Timothy 4:1-3 KJV] Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

If wikipedia is right ...which is a gamble ...these guys started in the late 1st Century ...meaning after 70 A.D. ...that's a problem for full preterists ...they want The Bible Ending in 70 A.D.

"Gnosticism is a collection of religious ideas and systems that coalesced in the late 1st century AD among Jewish and early Christian sects."
"Gnostic writings flourished among certain Christian groups in the Mediterranean world around the second century, when the Fathers of the early Church denounced them as heresy."

partial preterists are wrong also ...i was one until GOD Showed me what their game is. they want The First Resurrection of Rev 20 to be JESUS handing out imputed Righteousness ...so, yeah, all Eschatology is wrong.

Preterism ends now ...but futurists are not right either

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REVELATION 13​

REVELATION 14​

for the hour of his judgment is come:​

An Angel is telling The Son Of Man what to do? That's because we are a Son of JESUS when Born Again.​

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your door is open to death if it is open to free will. ...so are you His Temple or not???​

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REVELATION 15​

for thy judgments are made manifest.​

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REVELATION 16​

Continuing Historicist

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REVELATION 16​

Continuing Historicist

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REVELATION 17​

This isn't a Third Person Quickening JESUS ...It's GOD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT Doing It:​

Don't get me wrong, the early Christians before 70 A.D. were in a Blood Covenant ...but you couldn't continue in the dead church after He Returned​

...this is what the beast is and what the mother of harlots rides on!​

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REVELATION 18​

Jerusalem didn't have a shipping port!!!​

Catholics had plenty:​

was physical babylon a daughter of babylon corruption? yes​

....was The Bride ravished to become the woman that rides the beast? the roman government figured out how​

i think Jerusalem became a widow ...and then it happened again for The Blood Covenant​

Flee from the desolation of abomination ...the great falling away ...catholics​

"catholic" means "universal" ...unify. if you know anything about constantine, unity is all he cared about.​

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REVELATION 19​

JESUS Is now Sitting in The Throne with THE FATHER: i think He was Standing next to It before This.​

babylon is over so New Jerusalem is back and Made Herself Ready:​

We can now Join The Wedding ...what is your excuse?​

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REVELATION 20​

the dragon is the father of lies ...the father of free will:​

He saw people on Crosses and people that didn't have satan as their head anymore. if satan is your head, you have his mark of ownership.​

We were Told all along that The Resurrection is in Two Parts. The Regeneration First Resurrection is The Resurrection of The Just ...this already Started 2,000 years ago:​

Were they Hoping for the end of time? No:​

People in the Second Resurrection are not Blessed. You know who doesn't have to worry about a second death? Those with Eternal LIFE ...those Born of The SPIRIT. You can't die again if your old man is still Crucified:​

i think this is where the false church currently is in The Timeline of Revelation: right before the broad gate to destruction.​

unclean spirits selling free will ends: defining good and evil for yourself ends:​

The chance of Repentance ends also:​

Not Talking about the physical dead ...it's those with a dead Relationship to GOD.​

there is no coming out of delusion after a second death ...you are never going to be in The Living Relationship:​

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satan is the father of lies ...what do you think your version of free will is? Are you on The Narrow Way of TRUTH? Then there is no more Sacrifice for sin.​

absolute free will after Eternal LIFE Became Available, turned satan into their savior. if free will is more than choosing Life or death ...then satan is your father. your father has tricked you into thinking GOD gave you satan's will.​

you claim you have His Definitions on your Heart and yet say you have the free will to ignore It ...aka, you don't have Grace and you are not Loyal.​

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do you understand the premill con yet?​

you can't even Worship GOD unless The Door is Closed to free will artificial paths. And you are not Born of The SPIRIT unless you have a ghost from your permanently Crucified old self.​

JESUS Is The Judge ...do you think He is going to Judge His sons and daughters?​

Psalm 81:11-13 KJV — But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels. Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!​

free will is only about choosing Life or death ...there were Two Trees in the middle of The Garden!!!​

Was JESUS being tempted by some dude with horns in the wilderness ...no, JESUS was being tempted to use the free will He had before His Baptism.​

Eternal LIFE and GOD'S Definitions on your heart is the same Thing. for you to say you can still choose death and make your own definitions, implies JESUS is on your own personal Cross ...that's called imputed Righteousness ...that is the broad gate to destruction.​

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REVELATION 21​

Isaiah 43:10 KJV — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.​

Don't look back to free will:​

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JESUS Had to Physically Raise so that we could spiritually raise to be Born of The SPIRIT:​

Now This is Wild ...The Original Manuscripts don't use the Word "LORD" in This Verse: The Second Man is of Heaven! ...you are of Heaven if you are Born Again:​

This Verse is Amazing: Reborn Kingdom Image​

[1 Corinthians 15:49 KJV] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.​

Immortality is Everlasting LIFE:​

There is no Bridge to The Infinite FATHER without The Son:​

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show me Scripture of free will for mundane choices and not for Life or death. and when you can't do that, explain to me how THE CREATOR can choose death. do you have any idea what death is? sin is death ...separation from THE CREATOR ...so again, how does GOD have free will?​

It's a simple question: Can you ignore what is Written to your heart and choose death with free will? if your answer is yes, then you don't have anything on your heart.​

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Who Gave these lands up? Is GOD The Infinite FATHER playing chess here or is It more likely to be CHRIST The LORD Of HOSTS?:​

This is a major problem for hebrew roots ...they completely ignore JESUS ...but surprise ...JESUS Is The GOD Of The OT. His FATHER Is The Infinite FATHER.​

REVELATION 13

REVELATION 14

for the hour of his judgment is come:

An Angel is telling The Son Of Man what to do? That's because we are a Son of JESUS when Born Again.

your door is open to death if it is open to free will. ...so are you His Temple or not???

REVELATION 15

for thy judgments are made manifest.

REVELATION 16

REVELATION 16

REVELATION 17

This isn't a Third Person Quickening JESUS ...It's GOD THE FATHER'S SPIRIT Doing It:

Don't get me wrong, the early Christians before 70 A.D. were in a Blood Covenant ...but you couldn't continue in the dead church after He Returned

...this is what the beast is and what the mother of harlots rides on!

REVELATION 18

Jerusalem didn't have a shipping port!!!

Catholics had plenty:

was physical babylon a daughter of babylon corruption? yes

....was The Bride ravished to become the woman that rides the beast? the roman government figured out how

i think Jerusalem became a widow ...and then it happened again for The Blood Covenant

Flee from the desolation of abomination ...the great falling away ...catholics

"catholic" means "universal" ...unify. if you know anything about constantine, unity is all he cared about.

REVELATION 19

JESUS Is now Sitting in The Throne with THE FATHER: i think He was Standing next to It before This.

babylon is over so New Jerusalem is back and Made Herself Ready:

We can now Join The Wedding ...what is your excuse?

REVELATION 20

the dragon is the father of lies ...the father of free will:

He saw people on Crosses and people that didn't have satan as their head anymore. if satan is your head, you have his mark of ownership.

We were Told all along that The Resurrection is in Two Parts. The Regeneration First Resurrection is The Resurrection of The Just ...this already Started 2,000 years ago:

Were they Hoping for the end of time? No:

People in the Second Resurrection are not Blessed. You know who doesn't have to worry about a second death? Those with Eternal LIFE ...those Born of The SPIRIT. You can't die again if your old man is still Crucified:

i think this is where the false church currently is in The Timeline of Revelation: right before the broad gate to destruction.

unclean spirits selling free will ends: defining good and evil for yourself ends:

The chance of Repentance ends also:

Not Talking about the physical dead ...it's those with a dead Relationship to GOD.

there is no coming out of delusion after a second death ...you are never going to be in The Living Relationship:

satan is the father of lies ...what do you think your version of free will is? Are you on The Narrow Way of TRUTH? Then there is no more Sacrifice for sin.

absolute free will after Eternal LIFE Became Available, turned satan into their savior. if free will is more than choosing Life or death ...then satan is your father. your father has tricked you into thinking GOD gave you satan's will.

you claim you have His Definitions on your Heart and yet say you have the free will to ignore It ...aka, you don't have Grace and you are not Loyal.

do you understand the premill con yet?

you can't even Worship GOD unless The Door is Closed to free will artificial paths. And you are not Born of The SPIRIT unless you have a ghost from your permanently Crucified old self.

JESUS Is The Judge ...do you think He is going to Judge His sons and daughters?

Psalm 81:11-13 KJV — But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me. So I gave them up unto their own hearts' lust: and they walked in their own counsels. Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!

free will is only about choosing Life or death ...there were Two Trees in the middle of The Garden!!!

Was JESUS being tempted by some dude with horns in the wilderness ...no, JESUS was being tempted to use the free will He had before His Baptism.

Eternal LIFE and GOD'S Definitions on your heart is the same Thing. for you to say you can still choose death and make your own definitions, implies JESUS is on your own personal Cross ...that's called imputed Righteousness ...that is the broad gate to destruction.

REVELATION 21

Isaiah 43:10 KJV — Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Don't look back to free will:

JESUS Had to Physically Raise so that we could spiritually raise to be Born of The SPIRIT:

Now This is Wild ...The Original Manuscripts don't use the Word "LORD" in This Verse: The Second Man is of Heaven! ...you are of Heaven if you are Born Again:

This Verse is Amazing: Reborn Kingdom Image

[1 Corinthians 15:49 KJV] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Immortality is Everlasting LIFE:

There is no Bridge to The Infinite FATHER without The Son:

show me Scripture of free will for mundane choices and not for Life or death. and when you can't do that, explain to me how THE CREATOR can choose death. do you have any idea what death is? sin is death ...separation from THE CREATOR ...so again, how does GOD have free will?

It's a simple question: Can you ignore what is Written to your heart and choose death with free will? if your answer is yes, then you don't have anything on your heart.

Who Gave these lands up? Is GOD The Infinite FATHER playing chess here or is It more likely to be CHRIST The LORD Of HOSTS?:

This is a major problem for hebrew roots ...they completely ignore JESUS ...but surprise ...JESUS Is The GOD Of The OT. His FATHER Is The Infinite FATHER.

JESUS was Equal to The LORD GOD Of Hosts ...Because That's Who CHRIST Is:

This Is Saying, Don't go back to free will after He Returns: