Preterism ends now ...but futurists are not right either

[Reborn-Adopted]

I agree with your point about JAs. I am not sure how they get their money from if they don't collect money at their services. It must be a very expensive organisation to run with all the literature that they publish.

And recently the governing council appealled to the halls for more donations.

I have had a number of conversations with the JWs who have a pitch several days a week at the end of our Road. One a Nigerian who I think is an elder and I asked him this.

Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Is that the individual believer or the church. I said your NWT shows the pronouns are plural. He said come back and we can sit on a bench over there and we can discuss it. I know he wouldn't want to discuss it in front of his minions so I said you could hear.

My question then would be Who lives in a temple? They don't believe the the Holy Spirit is God. Either God or a false god in paganism, lives in a temple. (I use the word lives loosely as regards paganism).

all churches have something wrong with them.

THE HOLY SPIRIT IS literally JESUS' SPIRIT.

[John 20:17 KJV] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

[Galatians 4:6 KJV] And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

[John 16:7 KJV] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

JESUS doesn't turn into THE FATHER ...they BOTH Abode ...This doesn't Mention THE HOLY SPIRIT Here because It is JESUS' SPIRIT:

[John 14:23 KJV] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

JESUS Is my GOD ...but the false church with their trinity are trying to say JESUS is equal to The Infinite FATHER. That's not how this works.​

they do this because they want JESUS to be dealing with their new and future sins.​

Revelation 21:7 KJV — He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

[Revelation 3:12 KJV] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

[Revelation 5:9-10 KJV] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

Each of the 4 Beasts talks about a single horse, could this one be satan as a cherub?

[Revelation 6:7-8 KJV] And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
[8] And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

And JESUS be the Horseman on the White Horse? Michael as a Cherub?

[Revelation 6:1 KJV] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
[Revelation 6:2 KJV] And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

A colt is a young horse. And JESUS Rode one that had never been ridden on.

[Zechariah 9:9-10 KJV] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.

The 4 Beasts could be just the Horses themselves. A beast in Scripture can mean a horse.

[Genesis 3:24 KJV] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Cherubim are throughout The Temple, They Guard The Living Relationship with GOD. So Rev 6 is them Guarding The Narrow Way. you can't see that Actual Narrow Way when a Cherub doesn't want you to. The "Judgments" seen in Rev 6 are about adding you to the delusion side.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 4-5​

Who are The 24 Elders? i'm still kicking around ideas on this one:

The Elders were present as JESUS Took The Scroll to be our SAVIOR. That means The Elders are not humans because JESUS isn't Human yet at this point? The suggestion is that The Elders might be Seraphims ...not Angels, just like Cherubims are not Angels. Divine Council?

...erm, maybe they are human ...but with Seraphims inside them?:
[James 4:7 KJV] Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[Revelation 5:10 KJV] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

[Revelation 5:3 KJV] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

They are Saying JESUS was already Slain Here ...that means CHRIST isn't a Man anymore because Verse 3 just said no Man:

[Revelation 5:5 KJV] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
[Revelation 5:9 KJV] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

JESUS isn't Pointed out in Rev 4, so we are seeing the Elders Worshiping GOD The Infinite FATHER Here:

[Revelation 4:10-11 KJV] The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[11] Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

They have Seats of some kind of power ...Thrones:

[Revelation 4:4 KJV] And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

THE LAMB has something to do with with The 4 Beasts and The 24 Elders: (Which might be Cherubs and Seraphims) ...or is It Saying THE LAMB is one of the 4 Beasts and one of the 24 Elders? There are two Groups Here? ...or is It Saying He is Standing between the Two Groups?:

[Revelation 5:6 KJV] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

In The Verse Before ...It Says two different Titles:

[Revelation 5:5 KJV] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

A Lion could easily be one of the Four Beasts (Cherubim).
An Elder could be The Rood of David with a Seat and a Crown (Seraphim?).

So do the 24 Elders have something to do with the Davidic Line?

Judah had some good literal kings:
1) David
2) Asa
3) Jehoshaphat
4) Joash
5) Amaziah
6) Uzziah
7) Jotham
8) Hezekiah
9) Josiah
Exiled to babylon after some more bad kings

10) Zerubbabel Rebuilt The Temple (GOD Called him His servant)

11-23) ? not kings, but Spiritual Leaders? Maybe John the Baptist counts as one? How about Moses and Joshua? Other prophets?
24) LORD JESUS CHRIST

JESUS is First and Last ...so Melchizedek?

Are they GOD'S Servants?

[Genesis 26:24 KJV] And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.
[Numbers 12:7 KJV] My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
[Numbers 14:24 KJV] But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit with him, and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.
[2 Samuel 7:5 KJV] Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in?
[Job 1:8 KJV] And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?


What is a Seraphim?

[Isaiah 6:1 KJV] In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple.
[Isaiah 6:2 KJV] Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly.
[Isaiah 6:3 KJV] And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.

It doesn't say how many Seraphims ...could it be 24?

Seraphims have something to do with Fire ...Righteous Fire for Judgment of death? The Elders have 24 Thrones and Crowns. Wise fire serpents?

Otherwise ...what are these fiery flying serpents doing so close to The Throne in Isaiah 6?

[Numbers 21:6 KJV] And the LORD sent fiery[H8314] serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

[Numbers 21:8 KJV] And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent,[H8314] and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

[Isaiah 14:29 KJV] Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery[H8314] flying serpent.[H8314]

[Isaiah 30:6 KJV] The burden of the beasts of the south: into the land of trouble and anguish, from whence come the young and old lion, the viper and fiery[H8314] flying serpent,[H8314] they will carry their riches upon the shoulders of young asses, and their treasures upon the bunches of camels, to a people that shall not profit them.

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we know satan is a cherub and a dragon:

[Ezekiel 28:16 KJV] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Stones of Fire? Seraphims?

dragons were not always a bad thing ...the Word used Here for Whale is This H8577 - tannîn - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)

[Genesis 1:21 KJV] And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Could they be Kings? The Elders have Crowns. Are Cherubim ...Dragons? Are Winged Fowls ...Angels?

Cherubims are a Foundation to The Throne in the Visions ...they are under It. The Seraphims in Isaiah 6 are floating above it? Hovering, ready to attack? Are Elders, a Cloud of Witnesses?

[Hebrews 12:1 KJV] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Ezekiel 1 doesn't Call them Cherubims but then Ezekiel 10 does.
The Four Beasts of Rev 4 could be Four Living Creatures ...that would make This proof that they are Cherubims.

[Ezekiel 1:5 KJV] Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
[Ezekiel 1:6 KJV] And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
[Ezekiel 1:13 KJV] As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
[Ezekiel 1:26 KJV] And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.

[Ezekiel 10:2 KJV] And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.
[Ezekiel 10:6 KJV] And it came to pass, that when he had commanded the man clothed with linen, saying, Take fire from between the wheels, from between the cherubims; then he went in, and stood beside the wheels.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

some more weirdness i don't know what to do with:

satan is a son of the morning and a cherub:

[Isaiah 14:12 KJV] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

[Ezekiel 28:16 KJV] By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

so satan was a son of a Morning Star??? Are all Sons of GOD, Cherubims? satan is a prince of angels ...doesn't that make him an archangel also?

[Job 38:6 KJV] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[Job 38:7 KJV] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Are Morning Stars different from The Sons of GOD? Why wasn't CHRIST Pointed out?

[Job 38:12 KJV] Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
[Job 38:13 KJV] That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

What is with The Morning Stars Singing?

Is It Connected to This?:

[Revelation 5:8-9 KJV] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[9] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

[Lamentations 3:14 KJV] I was a derision to all my people; and their song all the day.

[Psalm 96:1 KJV] O sing unto the LORD a new song: sing unto the LORD, all the earth.

CHRIST wasn't Pointed out Here either ...unless THE LORD Here is CHRIST? ...That wouldn't make much sense though ...or does It?

[Job 1:6 KJV] Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

What is the point of all this? i'm trying to figure out what CHRIST Was before He Became Human JESUS.

We know THE FATHER Sent THE SON Here:

[1 John 4:9 KJV] In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

JESUS was the Only Morning Star to be Begotten as Flesh to Show us THE WAY?

[2 Peter 1:19 KJV] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

[Amos 5:8 KJV] Seek him that maketh the seven stars and Orion, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night: that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name:

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[2 Samuel 23:3-4 KJV] The God of Israel said, the Rock of Israel spake to me, He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God.
[4] And he shall be as the light of the morning, when the sun riseth, even a morning without clouds; as the tender grass springing out of the earth by clear shining after rain.

That's interesting:​

[2 Kings 3:22 KJV] And they rose up early in the morning, and the sun shone upon the water, and the Moabites saw the water on the other side as red as blood:

[Psalm 19:4-6 KJV] Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
[5] Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
[6] His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

The Sun Represented THE FATHER for Joseph:

[Genesis 37:9 KJV] And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

We don't worship literal things in the sky:

[Deuteronomy 4:19 KJV] And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

[Deuteronomy 17:3 KJV] And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

[Revelation 5:1 KJV] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Is anyone Worthy to Take The Scroll from The Infinite FATHER'S Right Hand ...to be at His Right Hand?

[Matthew 22:44 KJV] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

It's This:
[1 Corinthians 15:24-29 KJV] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
[29] Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

So Rev 5 is around 70 A.D.

Rev 4 Starts with saying "Hereafter" ...Hereafter what? ...i'm guessing The Mosaic Kingdom being Delivered so that people can start becoming Reborn ...Adopted. It's you that has to be subdued to Him ...not the physical world society. Is death Destroyed for you yet?

[Revelation 4:1 KJV] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

 

[David Kent]

[Revelation 5:1 KJV] And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Is anyone Worthy to Take The Scroll from The Infinite FATHER'S Right Hand ...to be at His Right Hand?

It's This:
[1 Corinthians 15:24-29 KJV] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
[25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
[26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
[27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
[28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
[29] Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

So Rev 5 is around 70 A.D.

Rev 4 Starts with saying "Hereafter" ...Hereafter what? ...i'm guessing The Mosaic Kingdom being Delivered so that people can start becoming Reborn ...Adopted. It's you that has to be subdued to Him ...not the physical world society. Is death Destroyed for you yet?

[Revelation 4:1 KJV] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

A lot of supposition there.

Hereafter the seven churches.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

A lot of supposition there.

Hereafter the seven churches.

What was after the Seven Churches? 70 A.D.

 

[David Kent]

The remainder of Revelation. I dont believe in the early date of Revelation or that it refers to 70 AD. It doesn't date the seven churches.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 5-9​

The remainder of Revelation. I dont believe in the early date of Revelation or that it refers to 70 AD. It doesn't date the seven churches.

The Letters were Written to Church Angels ...aka ...to the past. There was only 7 Churches ...how does that make any sense? They were all examples for us.

i'm saying Rev 4-5 is 70 A.D. ...but each Seal being loosed could have been future ...or It was history also:

The Scripture Describes Him as a LAMB that had already been Slain.

[Revelation 5:6 KJV] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

[Revelation 5:9 KJV] And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

That means The Scroll was about Delivering The Kingdom. Delivering ...you.

[John 12:32 KJV] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

[Psalm 50:15 KJV] And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
[Psalm 50:18 KJV] When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
[Psalm 50:23 NKJV] Whoever offers praise glorifies Me; And to him who orders his conduct aright I will show the salvation of God."

Get DELIVERED:
[Psalm 58:3 KJV] The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.
[Psalm 58:4 KJV] Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
[Psalm 58:8 KJV] As a snail which melteth, let every one of them pass away: like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun.
[Psalm 58:10 KJV] The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.

This is The Fifth Seal and obviously somewhat soon before 70 A.D.:

[Revelation 6:11 KJV] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The Sixth Seal sounds like they know 70 A.D. is only years away from happening:

[Revelation 6:16-17 KJV] And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
[17] For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


[Revelation 7:1 KJV] And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

[Jeremiah 49:36 KJV] And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
[Ezekiel 37:9 KJV] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
[Daniel 7:2 KJV] Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
[Daniel 8:8 KJV] Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken; and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
[Daniel 11:4 KJV] And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.
[Matthew 24:31 KJV] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


The Remanent of the chosen from The Tribes were Sealed before 70 A.D.:

[Revelation 7:3 KJV] Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

They were in The Kingdom before they could be Adopted:​

[Revelation 7:9 KJV] After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

[Revelation 7:14-17 KJV] And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[15] Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
[16] They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
[17] For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

[Isaiah 25:7-9 KJV] And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
[8] He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
[9] And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.

What do you think would Cause all activity in Heaven to stop:?​

[Revelation 8:1 KJV] And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

i think wormwood water is a curse on your conscience (fountains of waters):

[Revelation 8:10-11 KJV] And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
[11] And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
[Numbers 5:23 KJV] And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
[Numbers 5:27 KJV] And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.

This wasn't literal, it became very difficult to be Spiritual about anything:

[Revelation 8:12 KJV] And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

Was It a Morning Star that fell to earth? is this a bad angel working for GOD? JESUS can Morph into The Angel of THE LORD ...so maybe this angel is satan's version of an angel?

[Revelation 9:1 KJV] And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
[Revelation 9:11 KJV] And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

the false church has a bottomless pit ...no Relationship Foundation.

the locusts were not to hurt Green things ...aka those about to become Born Again on His Return:

[Revelation 9:3-4 KJV] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

During the 5 months the couldn't perform death sins, so they wanted to physically die because of it?:

[Revelation 9:6 KJV] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

false prophets:
[Revelation 9:8 KJV] And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

[Psalm 58:4-6 KJV] Their poison is like the poison of a serpent: they are like the deaf adder that stoppeth her ear;
[5] Which will not hearken to the voice of charmers, charming never so wisely.
[6] Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

[Joel 1:6 ESV] For a nation has come up against my land, powerful and beyond number; its teeth are lions' teeth, and it has the fangs of a lioness.

[Psalm 57:3-4 KJV] He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up. Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth.
[4] My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

[Zechariah 9:7 KJV] And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.


The Four Horns of The Altar are The Four Beasts? Kind of like The Seven SPIRITS are The MENORAH.

[Revelation 9:13 KJV] And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

We had an Altar because of what Adam chose ...to be a beast. We don't fix our Relationship with GOD without Sacrifice ...we can't get into The Born Again Temple without Sacrificing our old selves.

Horns are The Foundation to The Throne. We are shown a man in linen on a Throne with Cherubims under and Seraphims floating above. i think that man is us when we Overcome using JESUS.

[Revelation 3:21 KJV] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

JESUS didn't do it all on The CROSS ...He Started The WAY your old self can be Sacrificed.


[Revelation 9:14 KJV] Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.

Why Euphrates? It was an Edge of The Promise Land. One of the Four Rivers of the Garden of Eden.

GOD had Jeremiah go all they way out to the Euphrates to Make a Point:

[Jeremiah 13:7 KJV] Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
[Jeremiah 13:9-11 KJV] Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
[10] This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
[11] For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.
[Jeremiah 13:21-22 KJV] What wilt thou say when he shall punish thee? for thou hast taught them to be captains, and as chief over thee: shall not sorrows take thee, as a woman in travail?
[22] And if thou say in thine heart, Wherefore come these things upon me? For the greatness of thine iniquity are thy skirts discovered, and thy heels made bare.
[Jeremiah 13:26-27 KJV] Therefore will I discover thy skirts upon thy face, that thy shame may appear.
[27] I have seen thine adulteries, and thy neighings, the lewdness of thy whoredom, and thine abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe unto thee, O Jerusalem! wilt thou not be made clean? when shall it once be?

It's Jacob's Trouble:​

[Jeremiah 30:6-9 KJV] Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
[7] Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
[8] For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
[9] But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.

So back to Rev 9 ...we see how Jacob's Trouble was Carried out:

[Revelation 9:16 KJV] And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
[Revelation 9:18 KJV] By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

The strange horsemen were about Tribulation of spirit. No physical army is going to go in somewhere telling people to stop worshiping idols and to Repent:

[Revelation 9:20 KJV] And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Do Premills read This and think people in the future need to Repent of murders and sorceries?: i could spiritualize the murders by saying that is what the leaders in false churches do ...but premills are very literal with everything ...so no, they don't read It that way.

[Revelation 9:21 KJV] Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.



Maybe Hebrews 9 and 10 are connected to Revelation.

Hebrews 9:8 is acknowledging 70 A.D.!!!​

[Hebrews 9:8 KJV] The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

[Hebrews 9:10 KJV] Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

This sure was a curious thing to Say:

[Revelation 1:9 KJV] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[Revelation 1:10 KJV] I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

Full Preterist:

Heb. 9: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Gentiles were NEVER under the Law of Moses.

What were they under between The Cross and 70 A.D.?

Full Preterist:

What does Scripture say?

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED.

Praise God that which is PERFECT came through Jesus, the Christ. That which was IN PART passed away!

1 Cor. 13: 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall FAIL; whether there be tongues, they shall CEASE; whether there be knowledge, it shall VANISH AWAY.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect IS COME, then that which is in part shall be DONE AWAY.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For NOW we see through a glass darkly ; but THEN face to face; NOW I know in part; but THEN shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And NOW abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

So, you are going with nothing? You so badly don't want them to be in The Blood Covenat that JESUS Clearly Offered them ...that you are willing to say they had nothing ...it's shameful what you do.


Full Preterist:

All was made perfect through Jesus, the Christ. Still praying you will see His face and serve Him.

Rev. 22: 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4 And they shall see HIS FACE ; and his name shall be in their foreheads.
5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Did This Say "...hey, This doesn't Count until I Return"???:

Luke 22:20-21 KJV — Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you. But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

guess this makes you judas


Full Preterist:

The blood was not applied until ALL WAS FULFILLED. The saints remained in the grave until Jesus conquered His enemies, the LAST ENEMY being death.

Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
When did Jesus, who had the KEYS of hell and death, DESTROY death and hell ?

Rev. 20: 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of LIFE was cast into the lake of fire.

They couldn't Overcome death until He Returned ...doesn't mean they were not in a Blood Covenant.
You are making up rules as you go.
Were they in The Book of LIFE?

Full Preterist:

they were sealed. They had the earnest of the inheritance. They did not receive the inheritance until the Old passed away and the NEW was created. When was that?

Revelation 21
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

How many times do i have to tell you that i agree that they didn't get Inheritance until He Returned?
Your brain won't let you see That being different from Being in a Blood Covenant that had Started already.

Full Preterist:

That which was IN PART (Partially fulfilled) did not come UNTIL 1) heaven and earth passed away 2) all was fulfilled!

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till ALL BE FULFILLED.

What year were these written?

1 Cor. 13: 8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall FAIL; whether there be tongues, they shall CEASE; whether there be knowledge, it shall VANISH AWAY.
9 For we know IN PART , and we prophesy IN PART.
10 But WHEN THAT WHICH IS PERFECT IS COME, then that which is IN PART SHALL BE DONE AWAY .
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For NOW we see through a glass, darkly; but THEN face to face: NOW I know in part; but THEN shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And NOW abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is READY TO VANISH AWAY.

Their prophecies were in part ...still doesn't mean they weren't in His Blood Testament. again shameful. you are saying they were Sealed without being in The Book of LIFE.


Full Preterist:

They were sealed with the Spirit of PROMISE here:

Eph. 1: 3 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of PROMISE,
14 Which is the EARNEST of our INHERITANCE

UNTIL THE REDEMPTION of the purchased possession,

unto the praise of his glory.

They were not redeemed here:
Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

So WHEN were the saints REDEEMED? It’s written in Revelation!

Exodus 32:33 KJV — And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Full Preterist:

yes. That was old covenant. Israelites could have their names blotted out. So could saints in the transition from old to new, BEFORE the fulfillment of all things. No one is blotted out of the LAMB’s Book of Life!

Revelation 20:14 And DEATH AND HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be NO MORE DEATH, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the LAMB’s book of life.

Revelation 22:3 And there shall be NO MORE CURSE: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

So you think you Overcame something? One night of Prayer is not a changed LIFE.

Revelation 3:5 KJV — He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Full Preterist:

Do you not have an understanding of PARTIAL fulfillment at the beginning of Revelation and COMPLETE fulfillment at the END of Revelation?

If you keep LYING about Jesus you will never get your name in the LAMB’S BOOK OF LIFE!

Rev 3:5 is before 70 A.D. ...that means you could have had your name in The Book of LIFE already!​

guess who you worship with your imputed righteousness ...because you can't see?

Revelation 13:8 KJV — And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

Physical JESUS Had GOD'S Begotten SPIRIT. GOD THE FATHER IS Infinite SPIRIT. JESUS Had The Ultimate Witness.

John 5:36-37 KJV — But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

John 8:18 KJV — I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

[John 5:19-21 KJV] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
[20] For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

JESUS obviously Existed before Becoming Man:​

[Philippians 2:7-11 KJV] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
[9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
[11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 18:37 KJV — Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

JESUS Is The Personal Relationship With The Infinite FATHER. Our Bridge to The Living Relationship.​

John 1:1 KJV — In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

That's not Saying GOD was The Word ...different Greek word. LOGOS ...That's Saying GOD Is Logic, Righteous Order, and a Love Relationship.

In the beginning was a BRIDGE Of ORDER to The Relationship and ORDER was with GOD, and LOVE was GOD.​

This doesn't Say "Word" either:
John 5:38 KJV — And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Order out of chaos.

Genesis 1:1-2 KJV — In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

John 1:2 KJV — The same was in the beginning with God.

He was in a RELATIONSHIP With GOD from the beginning.​

JESUS Is The Day Star​

satan is the night star? ...a black hole? ...a dark star?

2 Peter 1:19 KJV — We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

[Psalm 113:3-4 KJV] From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the LORD'S name is to be praised.
[4] The LORD is high above all nations, and his glory above the heavens.

Genesis 1:3-5 KJV — And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.​

GOD Separated Light from dark, Truth from lies.

[Isaiah 60:1-4 KJV] Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
[2] For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
[3] And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[4] Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

JESUS was there from the Beginning. ...but so was satan?

John 8:44 KJV — Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 13:19 KJV — When any one heareth the word ((logos)) of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

John 8:49 KJV — Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

And The Relationship became in Flesh:​

John 1:14 KJV — And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

The Fear of GOD is not eternal punishment. It's Fear of being dropped back into delusion. the false church thinks being Saved is being Saved from infinite torture. they prop up JESUS' Corpse and declare GOD can't punish them now. JESUS wasn't Sent here to Save us from punishment ...He Came here to Show us THE WAY to Dwell with THE FATHER for Eternity.​

[1 Corinthians 6:19-20 KJV] What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
[20] For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

They think GOD had His Son Killed to Save us from Himself ...what in the world is wrong with people? but oh, make sure you "receive" this free gift from The Dead Advocate ...JESUS did it all on The Cross ...right? ...you are under delusion if you think JESUS REPENTED for you. they are saying The Gift covers their new sins and alleviates them Crucifying their old selves. The Son Of Man did Give us a Gift ...The Way to make our own Crosses Permanent.

the pit is right now, all around us:​

Zechariah 9:11 KJV — As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.

JESUS' SPIRIT Is my FATHER ...my GOD. i'm His son because i used His Way to Crucify my old self permanently.​

Revelation 21:7 KJV — He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

GOD THE FATHER Becomes your GRANDFATHER.​

John 14:6 KJV — Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

JESUS Said call no man your FATHER ...because FATHER Means GOD:​

Matthew 23:9 KJV — And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Is GOD THE Infinite FATHER only in Heaven? Pretty sure He is down here also. JESUS' SPIRIT is there.​

[2 Corinthians 3:16-18 KJV] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[17] Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
[18] But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

John 20:17 KJV — Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Luke 10:22 KJV — All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.

John 10:29 KJV — My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 6:44 KJV — No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:65 KJV — And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

John 5:22 KJV — For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Philippians 4:19 KJV — But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

Romans 1:8 KJV — First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Acts 2:17 KJV — And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

John 8:54 KJV — Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Joel 3:17 KJV — So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.

Revelation 21:3 KJV — And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

John 7:17 KJV — If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

 

[iamlamad]

He was in a RELATIONSHIP With GOD from the beginning.

​

In its simplest form, what WAS this relationship before the 2nd person of the God head left heaven to take on flesh?​

We are a spirit being, possessing a soul (mind, will, emotions) and we live in a body. We are created in His image and after His likeness. Therefore God is Spirit, Soul and Body.

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit part of God, relating to our human spirit.
God the SON is SEEN part of the Godhead, the part of God that appeared to Abraham.
God the Father is the WILL of the Godhead, and therefore the soul part of God.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 10​

JESUS Morphs into Michael and The Angel of The LORD, so This doesn't bother me when It is obviously Talking about our SAVIOR:

[Revelation 10:1-3 KJV] And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
[2] And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
[3] And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

[Luke 21:27 KJV] And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Judgment with Righteous Flames on the sea and those claiming to be in The Relationship (Earth).

John 5:22 KJV — For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

[1 Samuel 2:10 KJV] The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

[Acts 10:42 KJV] And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

[Revelation 10:4 KJV] And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

[Colossians 4:3 KJV] Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds:

The Four Beasts might be directly connected to the Seven SPIRITS of GOD:

[Revelation 6:1 KJV] And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

Maybe Related to This?:
[Revelation 9:13 KJV] And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

[Revelation 19:6 KJV] And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.



When will The Mosaic Age end? 3.5 Years from now. When is now? Jacob's Trouble Tribulation. The Witness of Heaven and Earth moves on to The Blood Covenant.

[Revelation 10:5-6 KJV] And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
[6] And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

[Daniel 12:7 KJV] And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

[Revelation 10:7 KJV] But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

[Luke 8:10 KJV] And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

[Romans 16:25 KJV] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

[1 Corinthians 2:7 KJV] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

[1 Corinthians 4:1 KJV] Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

The Mystery Ended because they could then become Born Again!​

[1 Corinthians 15:51 KJV] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,​

[Colossians 1:27 KJV] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

[Ephesians 3:9 KJV] And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

[Colossians 1:26 KJV] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

[Colossians 2:2 KJV] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

[Ephesians 1:9 KJV] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

[Ephesians 3:3-4 KJV] How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
[4] Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)



Eating Revelation ...The Mysteries of GOD ....Tastes good but the implications are bitter. John then knew physical Jerusalem was ending.

[Revelation 10:8-10 KJV] And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
[9] And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
[10] And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

The Book of Revelation could count as a Little Book. i suspect this Chapter is when John was Given More to Write ...so This was the actual present time for John.

[Revelation 10:11 KJV] And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

[John 21:22 KJV] Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 11​

This is Talking about the Physical Temple right Here ...how are premills missing This? do they think there is going to be a Temple in the future that GOD actually declares is His? yeah right.

[Revelation 11:1-2 KJV] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

So what is all this measuring about? It's still the same Angel (JESUS) that was Standing on the sea and earth from Chapter 10. That Angel was about getting ready to Judge ...so measure what He is about to Judge (70 A.D.).

[Matthew 7:2 KJV] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

[2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV] For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

JESUS Returned in the clouds as​

The Angel of The LORD!!!​

[Revelation 10:1-3 KJV] And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven,

clothed with a cloud:​

and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

There were Two Witnesses that Said He would Return in a Cloud. There were Two Witnesses right there as He Returned.

[Acts 1:10-11 KJV] And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
[11] Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


42 months is 3.5 Years.

1260 days is 3.5 Years.

[Revelation 11:3-4 KJV] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

There were Two Witnesses for the Rebuild of The Temple as they were leaving exile of babylon. Zerubbabel (GOD Called him His servant) governor and Jeshua (Joshua) High Priest (Compared to CHRIST).

[Zechariah 4:11 KJV] Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
[Zechariah 4:14 KJV] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Revelation 11 is about The Coming of New Jerusalem. So The Two Witnesses for Rev 11 are obviously not Zerubbabel and Joshua.

Romans 3:20-21 KJV — Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Moses and Elijah at The Transfiguration were Witnessing! Otherwise, what was the point of them being There?​

Revelation is Extremely Symbolic. For 3.5 Years The Witnesses of The Mosaic Age Testified against Jerusalem.

[Deuteronomy 31:26 KJV] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

[Romans 2:15 KJV] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

[Revelation 11:5 KJV] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Moses and Elijah did these things!:​

[Revelation 11:6 KJV] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

[Isaiah 55:4 KJV] Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

the false prophets of the abomination of desolation ascended out of the Foundation-less and artificial Faith ...overcame them

[Revelation 11:7 KJV] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

there was absolute chaos in Jerusalem right before 70 A.D. ...they didn't want to listen to Fundamentals of The Relationship.

Why point out that Jerusalem is Spiritually called that? Because This wasn't literal:

Sodom = sin/flesh
Egypt = spiritual slavery

[Revelation 11:8-10 KJV] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[9] And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
[11] And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Something similar but opposite had already happened:

[Jeremiah 14:15-16 KJV] Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
[16] And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

[Lamentations 2:21 KJV] The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.

[Acts 10:43 KJV] To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You are either dead in sin ....or you are dead in CHRIST.​

The Witnesses are dead in CHRIST. ...and three days later they had Life in CHRIST!!! We are those Witnesses when we become Born Again:​

[Revelation 11:11-12 KJV] And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
[12] And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

[Acts 1:8-9 KJV] But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
[9] And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

To have the Witness in you, is to have the Knowledge of CHRIST in you, and to have the LIFE of CHRIST in you.

[2 Peter 1:3 KJV] According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

John 5:39 ESV
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me,

Beautiful feet of those on The Narrow Path ...A Witness:
[Romans 10:15 KJV] And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

A Witness Knows GOD

John 17:3 ESV
And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

An earthquake is a Relationship quake. 70 A.D. is at The Door:

[Revelation 11:13-14 KJV] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
[14] The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

The Seventh Trump ...The Last Trump: The Kingdoms of the world became The Kingdoms of Our LORD ...sounds like 70 A.D. to me:​

[Revelation 11:15 KJV] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The Elders became Legitimate: they didn't need hope anymore. There is Now a Bridge to THE FATHER.

[Revelation 11:16-17 KJV] And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
[17] Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

Wrath and Judgment, right Here in Chapter 11:

[Revelation 11:18 KJV] And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The Mosaic Age Ended. Those in The Blood Covenant could now Bridge:

[Revelation 11:19 KJV] And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

[Daniel 9:24 KJV] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[iamlamad]

REVELATION 11​

This is Talking about the Physical Temple right Here ...how are premills missing This? do they think there is going to be a Temple in the future that GOD actually declares is His? yeah right.

[Revelation 11:1-2 KJV] And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
[2] But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

So what is all this measuring about? It's still the same Angel (JESUS) that was Standing on the sea and earth from Chapter 10. That Angel was about getting ready to Judge ...so measure what He is about to Judge (70 A.D.).

[Matthew 7:2 KJV] For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

[2 Corinthians 10:12 KJV] For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

42 months is 3.5 Years.

1260 days is 3.5 Years.

[Revelation 11:3-4 KJV] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

There were Two Witnesses for the Rebuild of The Temple as they were leaving exile of babylon. Zerubbabel (GOD Called him His servant) governor and Jeshua (Joshua) High Priest (Compared to CHRIST).

[Zechariah 4:11 KJV] Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
[Zechariah 4:14 KJV] Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Revelation 11 is about The Coming of New Jerusalem. So The Two Witnesses for Rev 11 are obviously not Zerubbabel and Joshua.

Romans 3:20-21 KJV — Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Moses and Elijah at The Transfiguration were Witnessing! Otherwise, what was the point of them being There?​

Revelation is Extremely Symbolic. For 3.5 Years The Witnesses of The Mosaic Age Testified against Jerusalem.

[Deuteronomy 31:26 KJV] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

[Romans 2:15 KJV] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

[Revelation 11:5 KJV] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Moses and Elijah did these things!:​

[Revelation 11:6 KJV] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

[Isaiah 55:4 KJV] Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

the false prophets of the abomination of desolation ascended out of the Foundation-less and artificial Faith ...overcame them

[Revelation 11:7 KJV] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

there was absolute chaos in Jerusalem right before 70 A.D. ...they didn't want to listen to Fundamentals of The Relationship.

Why point out that Jerusalem is Spiritually called that? Because This wasn't literal:

Sodom = sin/flesh
Egypt = spiritual slavery

[Revelation 11:8-10 KJV] And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
[9] And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
[11] And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

[Acts 10:43 KJV] To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You are either dead in sin ....or you are dead in CHRIST.​

The Witnesses are dead in CHRIST. ...and three days later they had Life in CHRIST!!! We are those Witnesses when we become Born Again:​

[Revelation 11:11-12 KJV] And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
[12] And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

An earthquake is a Relationship quake. 70 A.D. is at The Door:

[Revelation 11:13-14 KJV] And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
[14] The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

On the other hand, this is all FUTURE. In Revelation 8, the 7th seal is opened that allows the book to be opened. The entire 70th week is what is written inside the book. So the official opening of the FUTURE 70th week of Daniel is at the 7th seal and with the first trumpet judgment.
The first 6 trumpets take up the entire first half of the FUTURE 70th week of Daniel, the time of Jacob's trouble God will use to end the Jewish age and bring in the Millennial reign.

Chapter 11 speaks of a temple. It is a real "brick and mortar" temple that can both be measured with measuring devices (a reed) and has worshipers INSIDE worshiping. But the court outside and the city will be trodden by Gentiles for 42 months

What is happening behind the scene here? In just three and a half more days, the man of sin will enter the real, physical temple in Jerusalem. But first, He must ARRIVE in Jerusalem. I believe he arrives just 3 1/2 days before. He will probably arrive with Gentile armies who will then trample the city.

Next, God sends His Two Witnesses then, because the man of sin just moved into Jerusalem. They will probably be Enoch and Elijah, the two men that never died. They will testify for the next 1260 days. Now we have TWO countdowns from the midpoint of the week to the end of the week. Revelation 11:7-13 are written as a parenthesis with no bearing on Chronology. Verse 11:3 is just 3 1/2 days before the division point of the week.

Those 3.5 days pass and the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven marking the moment the man of sin enters the temple and does his abomination. The 7th trumpet therefore marks the exact midpoint of the 70th week.

The next Chronological event will be 12:6 where those in Judea see the abomination and begin to flee.

Next, the war in heaven will take place and Satan will lose his wings—will be confined to earth.

The 1260 days of fleeing will be the 3rd countdown from the midpoint to the end of the week. Then the time, times and half of time will be the fourth countdown.

Finally, in chapter 13, we get the 5th countdown from the midpoint to the end: 42 months of Authority.
The week will end at the 7th bowl. Just like God to MARK the entire FUTURE 70th week with sevens: the 7th seal begins the week, the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint, and the 7th bowl ends it.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 12​

The desolate Moon, that The Woman (Eve, Mother of all The Living) is standing on in is Mount Sinai ...the Old Covenant Relationship ...a Heaven/Earth/Age passing away. It was already a desolate Moon for Christians under The Blood Covenant. It became desolate for everyone at the end of Rev 11, 70 A.D.

CHRIST Is The Day Star, so It makes sense for her to be Clothed in The Sun.

New Jerusalem has Twelve Foundations.

[Revelation 12:1 KJV] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

[Isaiah 47:5 KJV] Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

[Revelation 11:15 KJV] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Galatians 4:24-26 KJV — Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

[Revelation 21:14 KJV] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

They still were in Jacob's Trouble after 70 A.D. ...waiting to be Delivered: That Means it was not long after 70 A.D. they could Get Inheritance ...Become Adopted:

[Revelation 12:2 KJV] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Micah 4:10 KJV — Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

JESUS wasn't Talking about His Resurrection ...He was Talking about His Return:

[John 16:19-22 KJV] Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
[20] Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
[21] A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.
[22] And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

Birth of a New Relationship with GOD ...kind of like the births way back:

Genesis 5:3-4 KJV — And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth: And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

the dragon has seven heads here and then the beast of the sea has seven heads also

[Revelation 12:3 KJV] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

[Isaiah 4:1 KJV] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

satan convinced a third of would-be-Christians to start the false church. satan wanted to devour Christianity right as It was Being Delivered because he knew It would end up crushing him:

[Revelation 12:4 KJV] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12 is directly Connected to Gen 3

[Genesis 3:15 KJV] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

She Birthed a Living Church ...BODY OF CHRIST. His Kingdom is Based out of Heaven. We are Pillars here on earth.

[Revelation 12:5 KJV] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

[Romans 8:11 KJV] But if the
Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,
he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

It's Describing JESUS Two different ways for a Reason. They had The Firstfruits of THE SPIRIT, but It wasn't the Full Inheritance.

This just Said in The Verse before their bodies were dead ...so their bodies couldn't be Quicked yet:

Romans 8:10 KJV — And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:23 KJV — And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

They drank His Blood and Ate His Body of His Death until He Returned. CHRIST was considered Dead until He Returned in their generation to Make their Bodies Alive.​

1 Corinthians 11:26 KJV — For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

After He Returned they became Immortal ...ETERNAL LIFE. You can have It right now ...but you refuse. question why catholics still worship His Death.

CHRIST was Raised from the dead with The Birth of Christianity (HIS Return) in Rev 12:5.



The Woman was hidden from worldly society for 3.5 Years:

[Revelation 12:6 KJV] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Does anyone ask why JESUS isn't the One kicking satan out? Because JESUS Is Michael:

[Revelation 12:7 KJV] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

satan was Kicked out of accusing night and day: Kicked out of ever being in The Relationship again. Kicked out of having a monopoly on enslaved souls.

[Revelation 12:8 KJV] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

[Daniel 2:35 KJV] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

[Revelation 12:9 KJV] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now! Now has Come The Way to Overcome death Permanently!!! The Door could Now be Closed on your old self. You could Now have Eternal LIFE. You didn't have to die daily anymore because you were never going to chose death again.​

[Revelation 12:10-11 KJV] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,

Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God,​

and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

[1 Corinthians 15:52-55 KJV] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

You are not of the sea (society) if you are Born Again. The early real Christians of the Earth (Relationship) did have to deal with a whole lot.

[Revelation 12:12 KJV] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

satan was now forced to attack from within the church. this is why catholics became a thing:

[Revelation 12:13 KJV] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Exodus:
GOD Nourished/Protected New Jerusalem from becoming the woman that rides the beast ...at first:

[Revelation 12:14 KJV] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

[Exodus 19:4 KJV] Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

false prophets and Jews trying to get them away from Christianity:

[Revelation 12:15 KJV] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

[Psalm 46:3-6 KJV] Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
[4] There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
[5] God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
[6] The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

The Earth, Relationship with GOD, was stronger than the flood:

[Revelation 12:16 KJV] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

So we go into Rev 13 explaining satan's church:

[Revelation 12:17 KJV] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[David Kent]

There will be no future temple.
1Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

1Cor 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2: 19-22 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

How many times does scripture have to repeat it before you believe it.

I use 1 Corinthians 6:19 with two JW elders and I say do you believe that refers to the individual or the corporate body, the church, and they always decline to answer. Perhaps it is because the watchtower doesn't have a teaching on it or perhaps they are anticipating the next question, " Who lives in a temple?" Answer, God. But they don't believe the Holy Spirit is God.

It cannot refer to the individual as it doesn't say "Your bodies are the temples." But, "Your body is the temple." Ye and your are plural, is and temple are singular. One body, one temple but many making the temple.

 

[iamlamad]

REVELATION 12​

The desolate Moon, that The Woman (Eve, Mother of all The Living) is standing on in is Mount Sinai ...the Old Covenant Relationship ...a Heaven/Earth/Age passing away. It was already a desolate Moon for Christians under The Blood Covenant. It became desolate for everyone at the end of Rev 11, 70 A.D.

CHRIST Is The Day Star, so It makes sense for her to be Clothed in The Sun.

New Jerusalem has Twelve Foundations.

[Revelation 12:1 KJV] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

[Isaiah 47:5 KJV] Sit thou silent, and get thee into darkness, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called, The lady of kingdoms.

[Revelation 11:15 KJV] And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Galatians 4:24-26 KJV — Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

[Revelation 21:14 KJV] And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

They still were in Jacob's Trouble after 70 A.D. ...waiting to be Delivered: That Means it was not long after 70 A.D. they could Get Inheritance ...Become Adopted:

[Revelation 12:2 KJV] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Micah 4:10 KJV — Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.

the dragon has seven heads here and then the beast of the sea has seven heads also

[Revelation 12:3 KJV] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

[Isaiah 4:1 KJV] And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

satan convinced a third of would-be-Christians to start the false church. satan wanted to devour Christianity right as It was Being Delivered because he knew It would end up crushing him:

[Revelation 12:4 KJV] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

Rev 12 is directly Connected to Gen 3

[Genesis 3:15 KJV] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

She Birthed a Living Church ...BODY OF CHRIST. His Kingdom is Based out of Heaven. We are Pillars here on earth.

[Revelation 12:5 KJV] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

The Woman was hidden from worldly society for 3.5 Years.

[Revelation 12:6 KJV] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Does anyone ask why JESUS isn't the One kicking satan out? Because JESUS Is Michael:

[Revelation 12:7 KJV] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

satan was Kicked out of accusing night and day: Kicked out of ever being in The Relationship again. Kicked out of having a monopoly on enslaved souls.

[Revelation 12:8 KJV] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

[Daniel 2:35 KJV] Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

[Revelation 12:9 KJV] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Now! Now has Come The Way to Overcome death Permanently!!! The Door could Now be Closed on your old self. You could Now have Eternal LIFE. You didn't have to die daily anymore because you were never going to chose death again.​

[Revelation 12:10-11 KJV] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,

Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God,​

and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

[1 Corinthians 15:52-55 KJV] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
[55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

You are not of the sea (society) if you are Born Again. The early real Christians of the Earth (Relationship) did have to deal with a whole lot.

[Revelation 12:12 KJV] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

satan was now forced to attack from within the church. this is why catholics became a thing:

[Revelation 12:13 KJV] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Exodus, Nourished away from satan's church:

[Revelation 12:14 KJV] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

[Exodus 19:4 KJV] Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

false prophets and Jews trying to get them away from Christianity:

[Revelation 12:15 KJV] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

The Earth, Relationship with GOD, was stronger than the flood:

[Revelation 12:16 KJV] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

So we go into Rev 13 explaining satan's church:

[Revelation 12:17 KJV] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

There is another way to look at Revelation 12.

This was God introducing John to the Dragon, and in particular, what the Dragon would be doing during the last half of the week. (Revelation 12 is a midpoint chapter.) The Dragon is mentioned 32 times in this chapter, including pronouns.

What about the first five verses? God chose to show John how the dragon tried to kill Jesus as a small boy. Those first five verses are written as a parenthesis with no bearing on chronology. They were a "history lesson" for John. Verse 6, the fleeing, is only seconds after the abomination that will divide the week.

By the Holy Spirit and the vision, John described the constellation Virgo, and how Virgo appeared at the moment of Jesus' birth. As the minutes tick by, the sun moves from her shoulder down her left arm, near her wrist, and at a moment (probably the first moment of sunrise) suddenly the entire constellation is lit with sunlight, "clothed by the sun." And at that moment, the moon appears under her feet. The crown over hear head are all stars. No planet needed. I believe at the moment she is clothed with the sun, Jesus was born. I found that exact picture at 09/11/1 BC, but the picture is very close at other years also.

We know how the devil tried to kill Jesus using King Herod.

The war in heaven will begin moments after the abomination that will divide the week. The devil will attempt to kill those that flee—a subset of Israel: those that are living in Judea, according to Jesus own words. When Satan discovers God is supernaturally protection those that are fleeing, he will then turn on the remnant of those that love Jesus—only a remnant is left because the pre-trib rapture took out the main load (those who were alive and in Christ) just before the 6th seal start of God's wrath.

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

REVELATION 13​

Once you have The Truth of Rev 20 shown to you, you don't need the rest of Rev. But i feel like going to Rev 13 now even though you didn't ask for it:

satan's version of the narrow way is all about keeping your old self alive. that requires a satanic sacrifice, so how does satan pull this off in broad daylight? this is what Rev 13 is about. the dragon is bound so he setup worship within the church with his beast and false prophet.

Revelation 13:8 (KJV) - And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

catholics have a box they stole from Jews called a Tabernacle. they think they replaced Jews. they say GOD'S Presence is inside. they sacrifice THE HOLY SPIRIT on a death altar every mass. it's how they claim to have unlimited forgiveness.

[Revelation 13:6 KJV] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

it's a trade, THE HOLY SPIRIT for the false prophet spirit. their Eucharist is eating from the tree of knowledge. the false prophet spirit is having them worship The Dead Advocate ...to worship the first beast that had a wound by the sword and yet Lived ...by eating The Dead Advocate's Body. their bread is dead!

[Revelation 13:14 KJV] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

they get Kicked out of The Garden every mass. they don't have THE HOLY SPIRIT so they have to rely on man's doctrine for everything.

[Gal 2:17-18 KJV] 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.

This was Telling us the beasts would be inside the church:

[Revelation 13:10 KJV] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

and This:

Revelation 12:13 KJV — And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.


catholics are sacrificing The Relationship with GOD ... that means protestants are doing the same to get on satan's broad gate. the title "protestant" might as well be "imputed Righteousness" ...a branch of the tree of knowledge.

you are a son of perdition when the beast is on your Cross for you. JESUS isn't your HEAD ...so CHRIST is not your LORD GOD. you still have the same head (artificial father (dragon)) you chose when choosing a modified narrow way. satan owns anyone that doesn't have their old self on a Cross ...you have his mark of ownership. but hey, you get to claim imputed Righteousness now. you have sacrificed your presence with GOD in The Living Relationship.

[Job 29:3 KJV] When his candle shined upon my head, and when by his light I walked through darkness;

[Revelation 21:7 KJV] He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

You Lift Him Up to Be your HEAD. You understand He didn't use free will to change The Narrow Way:

[John 8:28 KJV] Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

[John 12:32 KJV] And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

are you a church temple for the artificial holy spirit (false prophet spirit)? it knows you have to claim to believe in JESUS' Resurrection, so it gives you a puppet show with The Dead Advocate ...if you actually Believed He Rose again, you would know He is Now LIVING and is not your minister for new sins.

[Revelation 13:15 KJV] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

their artificial holy spirit (false prophet) has power in the sight of the beast who is hanging on your personal Cross that you should be on. ...while "JESUS" is busy being your servant on your Cross:

[Revelation 13:12 KJV] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[Revelation 13:13 KJV] And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
//artificial fire baptism from the artificial holy spirit?

[Revelation 13:14 KJV] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

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[Revelation 17:8 KJV] The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

you are not going to recognize the use of death in the narrow way of satan's church when you are not in The Book Of LIFE. you don't recognize the death of your Relationship with GOD. a bottomless pit doesn't have a Relationship Foundation. a bottomless pit doesn't have a Door to Close on your old self. so the second things get tough, you start eyeing up a way to jump ship. You put your hand to the plow and looked back. There isn't a Door for JESUS to Knock on.

Lamentations 1:13-14 KJV — From above hath he sent fire into my bones, and it prevaileth against them: he hath spread a net for my feet, he hath turned me back: he hath made me desolate and faint all the day. The yoke of my transgressions is bound by his hand: they are wreathed, and come up upon my neck: he hath made my strength to fall, the Lord hath delivered me into their hands, from whom I am not able to rise up.

satan's modified Narrow Way includes forgiveness for sin that is already considered death to your Relationship with GOD. JESUS Died for your past sins so that when you Join Him on a Cross you can be on The Original Way of GOD for Eternal LIFE.

[2 Peter 1:9 KJV] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.

[Romans 3:25 KJV] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Adam didn't choose a sin ...he chose a way to sin all he wanted. (unlimited forgiveness, imputed righteousness, sin-repent cycle, sin nature)

REVELATION 14​

Mountains in Scripture are kind of like Churches ...a Branch of The Vine. The Firstfruits of THE WAY.

[Revelation 14:1 KJV] And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

[Revelation 3:12 KJV] Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

There were Majestic Sounds coming from Heaven ...so The 144,000 were not physically ...literally standing on the planet Earth. There are 12 Stars on the head of The Woman: 12 x 12,000 is 144,000 ...just saying they might be related.

[Revelation 14:2 KJV] And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

You couldn't understand the New Song unless you were out of delusion. The New Song is about permanently locking away your old self ...Closing The Door to free will and future sin.

[Revelation 14:3-5 KJV] And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
[5] And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

We know Judgment Came at the end of Rev 11 ...so Judgment was for individuals after: The GOSPEL Tells you how to be Judged Worthy to Join The Vine:

[Revelation 14:6-7 KJV] And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[7] Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him;

for the hour of his judgment is come:​

and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

babylon's wine is artificial VINE ...bad fruit ...bad grapes:

[Revelation 14:8 KJV] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

no one that uses satan's version of The Narrow Way is avoiding The Wrath of GOD: they will be held on the delusion side of The Cross.

[Revelation 14:9 KJV] And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

perdition is right now in The Presence of The LAMB. they are never going to Know GOD ...which is Eternal LIFE ....CHRIST inside you. you are tormented without REST ...to not Know LIFE/TRUTH is torment.

[Revelation 14:10-11 KJV] The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
[11] And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

To die in The LORD is to have your Romans 6 old man killed off. Henceforth, from here on out you can Raise to LIFE because you were Planted with CHRIST:

[Revelation 14:12-13 KJV] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
[13] And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

[Hebrews 3:11 KJV] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)

[Hebrews 4:3 KJV] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[Romans 6:4-7 KJV] Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Here is a Cloud again ...except JESUS already Returned around 70 A.D.

[Revelation 14:14 KJV] And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

An Angel is telling The Son Of Man what to do? No. we are a Son of JESUS when Born Again. THE SON OF MAN was our EXAMPLE!!!​

[Revelation 14:15 KJV] And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

It's our old man being killed:

[Revelation 14:16-17 KJV] And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
[17] And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

[Isaiah 22:21-25 KJV] And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
[22] And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.
[23] And I will fasten him as a nail in a sure place; and he shall be for a glorious throne to his father's house.
[24] And they shall hang upon him all the glory of his father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons.
[25] In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that was upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

babylon bad grapes ...people in the broad gate church:

[Revelation 14:18-20 KJV] And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
[19] And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
[20] And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

[Matthew 7:13-14 KJV] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.