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Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

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There will not be build any temple in Jerusalem, neither there will be any kind of sacrifices of red heifer or of any other collor of heifer. What you are preaching is not true. GOD is in control of history, the Word is GOD, understand?
And the WOG mentions that the beast/antichrist/man of sin will stop the sacrifices. There WILL be a new temple in J. The Jews have already made & consecrated an altar to be set up in it, & they ARE breeding red heifers & other animals to be used in temple rites. You may Google to see if that's true or not.
 
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What you are spreading is tares, it has nothing to do with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, what you said has to do with the storytellers, and their disciples, and cunningly devised fables.
You can't prove one word of your hooey. I posted Scripture; you posted imagination.
 
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And the WOG mentions that the beast/antichrist/man of sin will stop the sacrifices.
Citation, please.

There WILL be a new temple in J.
Nope.

The Jews have already made & consecrated an altar to be set up in it
What Jews? When? Where?

, & they ARE breeding red heifers & other animals to be used in temple rites.
I can get 'em good prices on sheep from an old boy just down the road from here.

You may Google to see if that's true or not.
I did, it's not.
 
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Citation, please.
Daniel 8 :11He even exalted himself as high as the Prince of the host; and by him the daily sacrifices were taken away, and the place of His sanctuary was cast down.12Because of transgression, an army was given over to the horn to oppose the daily sacrifices; and he cast truth down to the ground. He did all this and prospered.
Daniel 9:27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.”
Daniel 11:31And forces shall be mustered by him, and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices, and place there the abomination of desolation.
Daniel 12:11“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Nope.[/'quote]
YEP !It must be built for the fulfillment of the above verses, plus Matt. 24:15.

What Jews? When? Where?
In Israel & other places, in Jerusalem, when God's time has come for Him to cause them to act.

I can get 'em good prices on sheep from an old boy just down the road from here.
Likely won't be without blemish.

I did, it's not.
Evidently not very well. or deliberately missed the info.
 
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There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.
I agree with the OP.
 
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No, he's not yet in power, if he's even been born yet. Biblical proof ?

Who is this "he" you keep referencing? I presented verses that tell us antichrists have been among the Church in the very beginning of this Messianic Gospel age.
 
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If you FULLY believe Jesus, you'd hold the same doctrine about preterism that I do it's FALSE !
Yep, and the Temple's still there, and sacrifice is still going on. Oh, I forgot, your lot have to deny that those things happened. And 70*7>2000, right?

funny folks who follow a doctrine that requires them to deny that historical events ever happened to make it "work" have the chutzpah to call any other doctrine false.

Do hyper futurists also believe in flying saucers and chupacabras as well?
 
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Who is this "he" you keep referencing? I presented verses that tell us antichrists have been among the Church in the very beginning of this Messianic Gospel age.
HFs call the beast of Revelation "the antichrist" for some reason.
 
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MY APOLOGY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I hit the wrong button ! I was intending to reply to another person here whose stuff is 3 fries shorta a Happy mea
Talking to yourself, then? That goes a log way toward explaining your doctrinal position. 8)
 
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I agree with the OP.
I can't find the idea of "Yeah, what the Lord said would happen happened but it didn't count" compelling. Sounds to me like just rationalizing a nonsensical position.
 
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Yes, 70 weeks has been shown to be years. Why not the 42 months? If 70 weeks equals the exact number of years to the advent of Christ, then what do the 42 months symbolize in years?
The word for week in Hebrew means a set of seven (days or years). The word for month in Greek only means month. It is the finite specified time given to Satan. The symbolism is in the use of words and use of definitions. There is no symbolism attached to the 42 months. And the 42 months is associated with the 1260 days. So if you want to say those 42 months are symbolic for 1260 days, there you go.

70 weeks is not equal to the exact time until the advent of Christ. That would be 69 weeks.
 
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The word for week in Hebrew means a set of seven (days or years). The word for month in Greek only means month. It is the finite specified time given to Satan. The symbolism is in the use of words and use of definitions. There is no symbolism attached to the 42 months. And the 42 months is associated with the 1260 days. So if you want to say those 42 months are symbolic for 1260 days, there you go.

70 weeks is not equal to the exact time until the advent of Christ. That would be 69 weeks.

As I've said 42 months symbolizes specific time, given to the beast to destroy. It is NOT 1260 days, because that too symbolizes specific time, given to the Church for proclaiming the Gospel. These specific symbolic times are equal to time, times and half/dividing of time. That's how we know they are symbolic and not literal. Time, times and half/dividing of time is equivalent to the whole New Covenant Messianic age. These times are not literal, but rather equal amounts of time given to each entity for good or evil throughout this Gospel age.

The woman, which symbolizes the Church has a place in the wilderness (world) where she is fed a thousand two hundred threescore days. This time of nourishment is likened to a time, and times, and half a time from the face of the serpent. That would be the whole Messianic Gospel age.

Revelation 12:6 (KJV) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Revelation 12:14 (KJV) And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The world, which is what Gentiles means are given forty two months to tread underfoot the holy city. And this is also the amount of time given the beast to blasphemy God, His name, and His tabernacle and them that dwell in heaven, and the amount of time he makes war with and overcomes the saints, having power over the nations of the world. And according to Daniel this time the saints are worn out and given into his hand is likened to a time, times and a half.

Revelation 11:2 (KJV) But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 13:5 (KJV) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Revelation 13:6-7 (KJV)
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Daniel 7:25 (KJV) And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Last, but not least Daniel hears the man clothed in linen say the amount of time to scatter the power of the holy people (42 months) is for a time, times and an half when ALL these things shall be accomplished.

Daniel 12:7 (KJV) And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

What this shows is that the 1260 days as well as the 42 months equal time, times and an half/dividing of time. Since Daniel's prophesy tells us that all that is written will be finished in time, times and an half of time, these times equate to the whole New Covenant Messianic period of time for proclaiming the Gospel unto all the world, a symbolic thousand years. The time the prophets foretell as the Day of the Lord.
 
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Who is this "he" you keep referencing? I presented verses that tell us antichrists have been among the Church in the very beginning of this Messianic Gospel age.
The "he" is the ultimate human antichrist, also called the beast and man of sin, & son of perdition in Scripture.
Who is this "he" you keep referencing? I presented verses that tell us antichrists have been among the Church in the very beginning of this Messianic Gospel age.
Anyone not FOR Christ is an antichrist.
 
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