Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

[robycop3]

Really? Who are tares in the church, and who are wolves in sheep's clothing, false prophets, workers of iniquity? Aren't they being influenced by the spirit and power of the air? Are you denying these children of disobedience have always been in the church on earth and work through the power of Satan? Why warn the Church of this evil presence if the man of sin being many has not yet come? John disagrees with you!

Ephesians 2:2 (KJV) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

1 John 2:18 (KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

None of them are/were **THE** beast/antichrist/man of sin, the coming ruler of most of the world, who will be in power when Jesus returns. Anyone who's not FOR Christ is an antichrist.

 

[rwb]

None of them are/were **THE** beast/antichrist/man of sin, the coming ruler of most of the world, who will be in power when Jesus returns. Anyone who's not FOR Christ is an antichrist.

You'll have to prove what you allege robycop3. John tells us there are many antichrists, but you say there will be only one who has not yet come as ruler of most of the world and will be in power when Jesus returns? Where is biblical proof? The antichrist you speak of is already ruling over the world of those in unbelief, which by the way is most of the world.

 

[Oseas]

For the fulfillment of prophecies about the AOD.

Which deceptive and satanic prophecy are you referring to?

 

[Oseas]

To have a place to perform animal sacrifices and other Old Covenant laws & rules.

What you are imagining and inventing according devilish interpretation of Scriptures will nev er happen, it will never be fulfilled because is not true, it's preaching of a false and devilish prophecy.

 

[Oseas]

The abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus hasn't yet occurred, & there must be a temple for it to occur in. As for Jerusalem being trod underfoot by gentiles, that's occurring right now, as many gentiles visit the holy places of Islam & Christendom within the city.

There will not be build any temple in Jerusalem, neither there will be any kind of sacrifices of red heifer or of any other collor of heifer. What you are preaching is not true. GOD is in control of history, the Word is GOD, understand?

 

[Oseas]

No, the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem so the AOD can occur in it, as part of 2 Thess. 2:4. Jesus won't return til this occurs.

No, the Jews will not build any new temple in Jerusalem. The Abomination of Desolation is the enthronization of the MAN of sin, the son of perdition, the own Satan incarnated, in Jerusalem, as Messiah-John 5:v.43-47 combined with 2 Thessalonians 2:v.3-12, in fact an ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH-Revelation 13:v.13-15.

 

[Oseas]

2 Thess. 2:4 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

This event didn't occur in the old temple before it was destroyed.

Neither will the pseudo and devilish event be in a new temple. That interpretation is fake.

 

[Oseas]

I'm serious as a heart attack. Remember, Orthodox Jews still believe the Old Covenant is still in effect, & don't recognize Jesus as Messiah or Divine. They believe they have a duty to build a temple & re-institute animal sacrifices, etc.

But who is in control of history is GOD the Almight. He said:All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. So, nothing random happens. There will not be any new temple built to be a den of thieves, neither for sacrifices of red heifer according foolish and devilish theories. Satan will be cast down into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more. This is a battle, this is a process, the War is against Satan and his messengers.

 

[Oseas]

Yes. The original one was when Antiochus Epiphanes, the Seleucid ruler of Judea, entered the temple with some soldierd, set up a statue of Zeus in it, & sacrificed a pig upon the altar. The one mentioned by Jesus will be similar, except the antichrist will set up a statue of himself & stop all sacrifices.

What you are spreading is tares, it has nothing to do with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, what you said has to do with the storytellers, and their disciples, and cunningly devised fables.

 

[Timtofly]

Oh, REALLY? Where's any supporting Scripture ?

Are you saying Satan is not going to sit on a throne? I gave verses. What did you put in your post?

 

[Timtofly]

Prove what you assume???

Prove 42 months in Revelation 13 is not symbolic.

 

[rwb]

Prove 42 months in Revelation 13 is not symbolic.

It's not I who must prove, I am not the one saying it is literal. If it's literal you should be able to biblically prove it is. But I argue for symbolic because the Revelation is overwhelmingly written utilizing symbolic language. I can give you many examples in case you don't already understand this.

 

[Timtofly]

It's not I who must prove, I am not the one saying it is literal. If it's literal you should be able to biblically prove it is. But I argue for symbolic because the Revelation is overwhelmingly written utilizing symbolic language. I can give you many examples in case you don't already understand this.

Well since I assume you think Daniel's 70 weeks are literal, then 42 months are literal.

You must be going with Satan gets 100% control for thousands of years.

My proof is that it says 42 months. If you need proof that it does not say 42 months, there is nothing even God can do to convince you.

 

[Oseas]

Prove 42 months in Revelation 13 is not symbolic.

The Word of GOD-the Word is GOD- proves that the 42 months in Revelation 13:v.5 is not a mere symbolic prophecy.

Revelation 13:v.5 to 9

5 And there was given unto him -was given unto the Beast of sea-a Gentile Beast-; sea means peoples, and nations, and MULTITUDES of all tongues-a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against GOD, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. (heaven is not sky, or the physical space of the Universe, but the spiritual and celestial environment or places, in which the true believers are placed as is written in Ephesians 1:v.3 and Philippians 3:v.20-21 among other references. But it is true that the red Dragon and his messengers also are, for while, within this same celestial environment, and this is until they be cast down to the earth. And woe of the inhabitants of the earth when this event be LITERALLY fulfilled.)

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 

[rwb]

Well since I assume you think Daniel's 70 weeks are literal, then 42 months are literal.

It's easy to prove Daniel's 70 weeks are literal because they date exactly to the advent of Christ. But 42 months cannot be proven to be literal, because they are symbolic.

 

[Timtofly]

It's easy to prove Daniel's 70 weeks are literal because they date exactly to the advent of Christ. But 42 months cannot be proven to be literal, because they are symbolic.

Daniel's 70 weeks are symbolic, since they translate into years.

42 months is not a symbolic time frame, and yet you turn 42 months into you own opinionated scenario. Daniel's 70 weeks are symbolic because they are a literal 490 years.

No one has turned some symbolic time frame into a literal 42 months, because 42 months is already literal. In fact it is the key to the whole symbolic process that starts the chapter out. It is putting a literal limit to what this beast can do. Now you have removed that literal limit, and in your opinion it could mean anything at any time over the last 1992 years. So that is you changing Scripture and giving license to Satan's work that never even happened in the past. You cannot have Satan both bound, and 100% in control at the same time. That is either contradiction or defeating the purpose of both facts. At no other time in history has this symbolic dragon and company been given full authority over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him. Since the church is not around, saying all will worship him is not a contradiction. But in your symbolic scenario every single redeemed soul in the body of Christ worships Satan and company. That is your opinion of symbolism totally at odds with the Word of God.

The only reason for doing so, is that you have given yourself the authority to declare all time given in Revelation as symbolic so you can give it any interpretation you desire. You have totally ignored the only link to a literal reality, by declaring 42 months non literal.

Actually the fact is; you cannot prove them to be symbolic, because they are literal. You have generalized their meaning, not proven they are symbolic.

 

[rwb]

Daniel's 70 weeks are symbolic, since they translate into years.

Yes, 70 weeks has been shown to be years. Why not the 42 months? If 70 weeks equals the exact number of years to the advent of Christ, then what do the 42 months symbolize in years?

 

[robycop3]

You'll have to prove what you allege robycop3. John tells us there are many antichrists, but you say there will be only one who has not yet come as ruler of most of the world and will be in power when Jesus returns? Where is biblical proof? The antichrist you speak of is already ruling over the world of those in unbelief, which by the way is most of the world.

No, he's not yet in power, if he's even been born yet. Biblical proof ?

2 Thess. 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Rev. 13: 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Rev. 19:19 And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army. 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21 And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse. And all the birds were filled with their flesh.

None of this has happened yet, of course.

 

[robycop3]

Which deceptive and satanic prophecy are you referring to?

Matt. 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand)
SHAME ON YOU for calling Jesus' words "Satanic"!

 

[robycop3]

What you are imagining and inventing according devilish interpretation of Scriptures will nev er happen, it will never be fulfilled because is not true, it's preaching of a false and devilish prophecy.

HOW GOOFY ! Matt. 24 :15 hasn't yet been fulfilled, so there must be a new temple for it to be fulfilled in.