Preterism, both full & partial, are false.

[robycop3]

Actually, he comes from dispensational hallucinations.

Originating from a falsified futurized antichrist, contrived by an apostate 16th-century Jesuit counter-reformationist.



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I believe it's obvious the beast and the antichrist will be the same man. Anyone declaring himself to be God is certainly an antichrist. Some are worse than others, of course.

 

[robycop3]

They had all they needed. So we should also have all we need. Scripture interprets scripture, unless you want to have a dispensational view. Then anything can interpret scripture.

Well, actually, that's what reducing Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status does.

 

[robycop3]

Hope of what?

For a glorious future after death.

 

[robycop3]

So they are there. It proves nothing.

Well, ACTUALLY, it proves Jesus' words were intended for more people than just His disciples, & He knew they'd be written down for future generations.

 

[trophy33]

Well, ACTUALLY, it proves Jesus' words were intended for more people than just His disciples, & He knew they'd be written down for future generations.

It does not prove anything related to preterism or futurism. Jesus also knew we will read the Old Testament today, even though its not our future.

 

[Hammster]

Well, actually, that's what reducing Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status does.

Not everything is literal. Again, someone using proper hermeneutics would know that.

 

[ozso]

For a glorious future after death.

How would being a preterist change that?

 

[klutedavid]

If it's only Israel, why were the Thessalonians so worried about it. They were quite a distance from Israel. 2 Thessalonians 2

There are two end time events in the scripture; one tribulation event for the nation of Israel and one tribulation event for the Gentiles.

Here is the first tribulation, wrath, judgment, of the nation of Israel.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
For you, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you also endured the same sufferings at the hands of your own countrymen, even as they did from the Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out. They are not pleasing to God, but hostile to all men, hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost.

The second tribulation, wrath, judgement, of the nations of the world.

Matthew 24:29-30
But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

The gospel of Luke explains the sequence of events more clearly, than the gospel of Matthew.

 

[robycop3]

How would being a preterist change that?

By trying to change the meanings of many of Jesus' words about His return, millenial reign upon the earth, etc.

 

[ozso]

By trying to change the meanings of many of Jesus' words about His return, millenial reign upon the earth, etc.

Don't we all end up with glorious future after death, even if we believe biblical prophecies already took place?

 

[robycop3]

Don't we all end up with glorious future after death, even if we believe biblical prophecies already took place?

Depends on whether one came to Jesus or not, and believed God's word.

 

[DavidPT]

The second tribulation, wrath, judgement, of the nations of the world.

Matthew 24:29-30
But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

The gospel of Luke explains the sequence of events more clearly, than the gospel of Matthew.

That passage is meaning after the tribulation of those days. In the Discourse what do you think it is that is referring to the tribulation of those days meant in verse 29 above?

 

[ozso]

Depends on whether one came to Jesus or not, and believed God's word.

I'm talking about born again saved Christians of course. Or is it that preterists aren't Christians because they're preterists?

 

[robycop3]

I'm talking about born again saved Christians of course. Or is it that preterists aren't Christians because they're preterists?

That's between them & God.

 

[ozso]

That's between them & God.

I'm trying get you to explain what you're saying. It seems you'd rather be cryptic instead.

 

[sovereigngrace]

That's between them & God.

I am not a Preterist but your approach stinks and your arguments come across as a rant. Your posts lack Scripture.

You have been challenged multiple times to produce Scripture to support your beliefs but have yet to come up with anything of substance.

 

[klutedavid]

If it's only Israel, why were the Thessalonians so worried about it. They were quite a distance from Israel. 2 Thessalonians 2

There are two events of tribulation events.

The tribulation applying to the world.

Revelation 7:14
I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation."

The tribulation applying to Israel.

1 Thessalonians 2:16
Hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved; with the result that they always fill up the measure of their sins. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost.

 

[jgr]

I believe it's obvious the beast and the antichrist will be the same man. Anyone declaring himself to be God is certainly an antichrist. Some are worse than others, of course.

Provide a quote of any Scripture which contains the exact expression "the antichrist" referring to dispensationalism's delusional single future antichrist.

 

[Acts29]

There are a couple of preterist "safe houses" here where prets can post their stuff free of counterposts. However, I KNOW preterism is false, both partial and full. And here's how I know:

Full preterism is false because it's VERY-OBVIOUS Jesus hasn't returned. When He does return, He will be seen by all, as He said He will take over the rule of the world after casting the antichrist & false prophet alive into hell. He and His saints will reign over the earth for 1K years. And obviously, that hasn't occurred yet. if you think it has, please tell us the beast/antichrist's name, the date he took power, the name of his sidekick the false prophet, and describe the mark of the beast.

Partial is false because Jesus said He'd return IMMEDIATELY AFTER the great trib. If the trib has already occurred, Jesus is long-overdue !

I have in front of me the Encyclopaedia Britannica, Collier's, & World Book encyclopediae, as well as eleven different Bible versions. And the occurrence of those events is NOT found in ANY of them.
Why?
They simply HAVEN'T YET OCCURRED !

Prets try to reduce "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status to attempt to cover their lack of evidence for their doctrine, but that won't work, either.

Just face it, Ladies & Gents; your doctrine simply isn't true.

Please, let's keep this thread free of bunny trails & tangents, & keep it on preterism, either defending it or rejecting it as I do. That's why the last similar thread was closed.

Everyone has been given a measure of faith. Some expand that measure and some do not. Preterism is just plain unbelief, imho. The main purpose of it is to avoid watching, as we were commanded to do. Preterism lacks any comprehension of eternity and asks the wrong questions. So, it is without value as I see it.

To be equal opportunity to all, I think all the "isms" and "ologies" are flawed from the start. If one creates a box, and then tries to interpret scripture to fit into that box, they are defeated before they begin. Let the scripture create the house of understanding. Then be willing to rebuild that house as many times as it takes to get an accurate picture. That is how I see it. I don't care at all about having a "plausible" understanding of scripture. I want to KNOW what God is doing. But, that is just me.

 

[Hammster]

Everyone has been given a measure of faith. Some expand that measure and some do not. Preterism is just plain unbelief, imho. The main purpose of it is to avoid watching, as we were commanded to do. Preterism lacks any comprehension of eternity and asks the wrong questions. So, it is without value as I see it.

To be equal opportunity to all, I think all the "isms" and "ologies" are flawed from the start. If one creates a box, and then tries to interpret scripture to fit into that box, they are defeated before they begin. Let the scripture create the house of understanding. Then be willing to rebuild that house as many times as it takes to get an accurate picture. That is how I see it. I don't care at all about having a "plausible" understanding of scripture. I want to KNOW what God is doing. But, that is just me.

Postmillennialism is optimistic. It is planning for the future by not being lazy and just watching. Postmillennialists understand that the kingdom is going to continue to grow, and we are the means that Christ uses. And our view is derived from scripture as a whole, and not some select verses taken out of context. We let scripture interpret scripture, not newspapers.