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President Trump Recognizes the Golan Heights as Israeli Territory

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by BABerean2, Mar 22, 2019.

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  1. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

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    LLoJ spends a lot of time attempting to prove the error of "Full-Preterism".

    They have to ignore the "judgment of the dead" to make it work, therefore proving it is another man-made doctrine.


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    Now, back to the Golan Heights...



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  2. Justified112

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    "Israel" is mentioned 71 times in the NT. Nowhere is it ever spiritualized to refer to Gentile Christians and/or Old Testament saints. Being "children of Abraham" has nothing to do with who Israel is. Israel is Israel. The Church is the Church. They are radically separate in the NT. Old Testament saints are not part of the Church in the NT. Nowhere is the "body of Christ" ever called "Israel" in the Bible.
     
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    I can imagine that if Donald Trump were anti-Israel and denied Israel's right to any land over there, his "authority" would be unquestioned.
     
  4. Douggg

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    Well, I think this is one time Joel Rosenberg got it right. (not to be confused with the other Joel - Joel Richardson)
     
  5. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Ah, damage control thread. You are in denial Bab2. Israel is in the news everyday. Jerusalem a cup of trembling to the nations.
     
  6. BABerean2

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    On the Day of Pentecost Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in the verse below.
    On that same day about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
    The truth is that when the Church began it was made up almost entirely of Israelites, in fulfillment of Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 9:27, and Romans 11:1-5.
    The Gentiles were grafted in several years later.
    The Church as a whole has never been a "Gentile Church".

    Even today, it continues to be made up of all races of people.

    Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

    Who do you think Peter was talking to in the verse above?


    James addressed his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in "faith", in the passage below.


    Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
    Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
    Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

    Who do you think James was speaking to in the passage above?

    Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:18-24, the Two Peoples of God doctrine falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.



    The New Covenant: Bob George


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  7. JacksBratt

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    This is great news. Trump is standing up for Israel and doing things that the US has talked about doing but never had the guts to do.

    Trump is not giving lip service to the great Nation of Israel. He is following through with action.

    It's about time.

    Our leader of our opposition in Canada has already stated that, if he is elected Prime minister this year, He will move the Canadian embassy in Israel, to Jerusalem... Let's hope that others follow suit.
     
  8. Justified112

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    But on the day of that sermon, the only ones present were Jews from 16 different countries. He was speaking to members of the 12 tribes essentially, and in that context, "Israel" was only a an ethnic term, not a spiritual term.


    The Church as whole has been a Gentile Church. Yes, there are Jewish members, but as a whole, the overwhelming majority of the Church IS Gentile.



    People from various tribes of Israel both in the nation and from other outside nations, but they are all of the same Israelite/Jewish ethnicity. The context makes that clear.



    That's right. He was talking to the descendants of Jacob, those of the 12 tribes. It was not written to Gentile believers. It's best to let the Bible speak for itself instead of letting one's theology drive the interpretation.

    It is a mistake to assume that “new covenant” in this passage is referring to what Christians often think of when they hear the phrase, “new covenant.” Note that God said that He is making “A” new covenant with Israel and Judah. This is not THE New Covenant” referenced by Jesus at the Last Supper. The New Covenant that we are under isn’t between God and man; it is between the Father and Jesus. So, they are two different covenants.

    The context of Jeremiah 31 is eschatological, not soteriological and speaks of the permanent and literal restoration of Israel back to her biblical homeland. This can be seen in Jer. 31: 4-5, 8-13, 16-17, 21-24, 27-28, 35-37. The context is such that it cannot be applied to the return from Babylon, as it was Judah that returned from Babylon, not Israel. In Jeremiah’s day, Israel and Judah were still divided kingdoms, and so we need to keep that in mind when see them referenced in Jeremiah. Having said that, we see references to Judah and Israel in 31, particularly in connection to the name, “Jacob” which is a reference to all 12 tribes (31:7, 11).

    It is my conviction that this “new covenant” needs to be seen in the light of a new thing (31:22) God is doing, namely the restoration of His covenant people back to their covenant land. That is what this “new covenant” in Jeremiah has in view. It is when this happens, that they will experience the new spiritual elements of this new covenant as referred to in 31:33-34. So the “new covenant” in Jeremiah has not been entirely fulfilled up to this point.

    Someone will ask, “But what about the fact that this passage is quoted in Heb. 8:8-13? Doesn’t that mean that we should understand this as referring to the New Covenant cut in Jesus blood?” I would argue, in response, that this is a parallel application that the writer of Hebrews is using to make a didactic point about the superiority of the New Covenant to the Old Covenant. The writer of Hebrews is not saying that what Jesus did on the cross in making the New Covenant in His blood is what Jeremiah prophesied about. He is making a comparison between the need for a new covenant for Israel and Judah because of the stubborn disobedience of Israel and Judah and the need for the New Covenant of salvation because of the stubborn disobedience and hopelessly lost estate of all mankind. The “new covenant” of Jer. 31:33-34 is not salvific; thus, is not a redemptive covenant. The “new covenant” of Jer. 31:33-34 pertains to service/obedience, and not salvation. It is worth noting that the OT prophets would never have seen this in the light of a Church age application because the “Church” was not ever prophesied of in the OT. The Church age was a mystery revealed by the apostles, and was not seen by the prophets. So to argue that Jeremiah has the Church in view would, in my opinion, be incorrect, hermeneutically.

    So when we discuss the “new” elements of this prophecy of a “new covenant,” it is important to keep in mind that this is the context of a renewed or restored Israel/Judah. That is important when discussing what is “new” about this new covenant.
     
  9. JacksBratt

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    I don't really think that it matters if Netanyahu has some prophesy wrong... Sheesh the nation of Israel doesn't even believe in the Messiah... It doesn't stop them from being God's people.

    Do you have every prophesy right? Just look at this forum... arguments for pages and pages... all about theological topics..

    Why diss Ben?
     
  10. JacksBratt

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    I am glad that he stated, in the video, "In my view".... because... this guy is only one guy with one opinion on a very important topic.

    The bible is clear that in the end times.. the Jewish people have a temple.
    It's clear as a bell. This is not avoidable and they need a temple to do it.
     
  11. JacksBratt

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    RT America is a "News" Channel funded by Moscow.... great eh?

    The Golan Heights was achieved by Israel in the six day war..

    If you are a country and you attack another country... and they push you back and take some of your land.....

    You don't get to say "Uh.. sorry we attacked you.. can we have our land back".

    Oh, if you were nice, like Egypt, and deal with that country and don't continue to state that you want them wiped off the map and pushed into the sea... you may have some chance of dealing with them.... hence the return of the Sinai Peninsula.

    The Golan is a prime military strategic strong hold that Israel needs in order to protect itself from the many countries that are trying to obliterate it from the map.

    Do you not think that God has given it to them? Do you think that they poses something outside of God's will?
     
  12. Douggg

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    excellent point. Welcome to the forum, btw, Justified 112.
     
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    Oh yes. Some people just do not understand the covenant relationship God has with “Israel”. Talk later.
     
  15. Justified112

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    Anyone who reads the article understands that Pompeo was not talking salvation, but was talking about Trump standing up against Israel's enemies that want to see the nation destroyed/dismantled and the Jewish people dispossessed of their God-given land.

    I agree with Pompeo. God has used unlikely people in the past to carry out His plans and purposes.
     
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    Yes,isnt it Gods job to save israel from its enemies and to destroy it enemies?
    Matthew 24:13 But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
     
  17. BABerean2

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    1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    When Japan took over islands during WW2, was it because they were doing what God asked them to do?

    When the King David Hotel was bombed during 1946, killing 91 people, was it because they were doing the will of God?

    When Israel attacked the U.S.S. Liberty on June 8, 1967, were they doing the will of God?


    If you think modern Jews need a rebuilt temple with animal sacrifices, you need to read your New Testament.
    The Jewish man in the video below found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures. Jeremiah 31:31-34



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    And historically, God has used people fulfill his purposes and plans. He used Esther, Cyrus, David, and others. He even used a murderer like Paul.

    So God can use Trump anyway He pleases and Trump has proven that he is a friend of Israel.
     
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    As i stated,there are some christians who believe Donald Trump was chosen by God to save Israel.
    Even on this board.
     
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