President Trump Recognizes the Golan Heights as Israeli Territory

[FireDragon76]

Mark 12:1 Then Jesus began to speak to them in parables: "A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a wine vat, and built a watchtower. Then he rented it out to some tenants and went away on a journey.
Mark 12:2 At harvest time, he sent a servant to the tenants to collect his share of the fruit of the vineyard.
Mark 12:3 But they seized the servant, beat him, and sent him away empty-handed.
Mark 12:4 Then he sent them another servant, and they struck him over the head and treated him shamefully.
Mark 12:5 He sent still another, and this one they killed. He sent many others; some they beat and others they killed.
Mark 12:6 Finally, having one beloved son, he sent him to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said.
Mark 12:7 But the tenants said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.'
Mark 12:8 So they seized the son, killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard.
Mark 12:9 What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants, and will give the vineyard to others.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

Yes, Jesus' gave a warning to unbelieving Israel in his day. They were not bearing good fruit. The promise to the Jews of land was implicitly conditioned on their loyalty to YHWH. That is how suzerain treaties always worked in the ancient near east. They were not license to do whatever you wanted. Israel was effectively a vassal in that relationship.

 

[JosephZ]

No, we are not adopted into Israel. We are grafted into Israel.

Maybe this will be helpful.

God said that at some point in the future He would make a new covenant with Israel:

"’Behold, days are coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke..’”. (Jeremiah 31:31)

Under this new covenant it is by grace, both Jew and non-Jew can come into the new Israel of God through faith.

"So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galatians 3:26-29)

All believers are Abraham's offspring through His "seed" Jesus Christ, They are the heirs according to promise.

"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ." (Galatians 3:16)

The scriptures below should be enough to show that the nation of Israel today is no longer recognized by blood and physical ties to Abraham, but rather by faith in Jesus Christ. This means that one can be a Jew and a direct descendant of the house of Judea, but if they do not by faith accept Jesus Christ, they will be excluded from the new covenant. Only those who believe in the Jesus as the Messiah can enter or remain a part of Israel.

“Just as Abraham “believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” Therefore know that ONLY THOSE WHO ARE OF THE FAITH ARE SONS OF ABRAHAM. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.” (Galatians 3:6-9)

“For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly (BORN AS A JEW), nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh (FOLLOWS THE LAW); but he is a Jew who is one inwardly (THROUGH FAITH); and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.” (Romans 2:28-29)

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel (NOT ALL JEWS ARE CITIZENS OF THE NATION OF ISRAEL), nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham (DIRECT DESCENDANTS); but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” That is, those who are the children of the flesh (PHYSICAL DESCENDANTS), these are NOT the children of God; BUT the children of the promise (THOSE UNDER THE NEW COVENANT BOUND BY FAITH) are counted as the seed.” (Romans 9:6-8)

Therefore, under the new covenant:

“know that ONLY THOSE WHO ARE OF FAITH are sons of Abraham.(THE NATION OF ISRAEL)” (Galatians 3:7)

The current state of Israel that was established in 1948 lacks this faith so they can not possibly be the nation of Israel that the prophets and the Bible speak of. It's a self-defined "Jewish state" and one does not have to be a Bible scholar to see this.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Yes, Jesus' gave a warning to unbelieving Israel in his day. They were not bearing good fruit. The promise to the Jews of land was conditioned on their loyalty to YHWH. That is how Suzerain treaties always worked in the ancient near east. They were not license to do whatever you wanted.

Could you not understand Jesus?
He openly says he is the heir.Not them.

Mark 12:7 But the tenants said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.'

If you couldnt understand Jesus, then maybe you can understand Paul.

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, "and to seeds," meaning many, but "and to your seed," meaning One, who is Christ.

 

[BABerean2]

There will be a millennial Kingdom and Jesus will reign on the throne of David from a restored national Israel on earth. God has promises not yet fulfilled. He must fulfill them to biblical Israel, or otherwise, God is not faithful to His word.

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

If you think God did not fulfill His promises to Israel when His Son hung on the cross, you need to read your New Testament again.
It was the fulfillment of the promise first found in Genesis 3:15.

Start with the Book of Acts on the Day of Pentecost when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The text from Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.
An understanding of the New Covenant kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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[Douggg]

Therefore, under the new covenant:

“know that ONLY THOSE WHO ARE OF FAITH are sons of Abraham.(THE NATION OF ISRAEL)” (Galatians 3:7)

Abraham is not Israel. Abraham was Israel's (Jacob's) grandfather.

 

[JosephZ]

Abraham is not Israel. Abraham was Israel's (Jacob's) grandfather.

I'm aware of that, but you have to put that last verse in context with the entirety of my post to see why I said those of the faith are the nation of Israel. I wasn't saying that Abraham himself was Israel.

 

[BABerean2]

Abraham is not Israel. Abraham was Israel's (Jacob's) grandfather.

The ultimate fulfillment of Israel is found in the first verse of the New Testament.

This fact is confirmed by the Apostle Paul, and Jesus in the text below.


Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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[Douggg]

The ultimate fulfillment of Israel is found in the first verse of the New Testament.

This fact is confirmed by the Apostle Paul, and Jesus in the text below.


Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

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Abraham was not the nation of Israel was the point in my point #65.

 

[Douggg]

Luk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luk 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

If you think God did not fulfill His promises to Israel when His Son hung on the cross, you need to read your New Testament again.
It was the fulfillment of the promise first found in Genesis 3:15.

Start with the Book of Acts on the Day of Pentecost when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

The text from Jeremiah 31:31-34 is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.
An understanding of the New Covenant kills the Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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What's the title of this thread? This is why I say this forum needs a new tag. Because it seems every thread soon results over an argument of who is Israel.

 

[Trakpo Korlochen]

4 embassies have moved to Israel just this week. The Jews see that as the coming of the Messiah.
The recognition of Israel's sovereignty over the Golan marks Armageddon. There will be many signs of the Apocalypse for those who can see them: Obama's the Antichrist. There's a topic on this forum saying Obama's indeed marked by 666 and so thus he is the Antichrist.

 

[usexpat97]

Trump recognizes the Golan Heights as Israel, and in return the lobbyists in Washington get parts of the Mueller report redacted. Not a bad deal if you're Trump, or if you want Israel to be all great and wonderful. As far as furthering the United States, and justice in general...not so much.

 

[JosephZ]

What's the title of this thread? This is why I say this forum needs a new tag. Because it seems every thread soon results over an argument of who is Israel.

It's important to know who Israel is because prior to 1948 there had never been a country called Israel and God never intended for their to be a physical or political country called Israel. When you see the word “nation” in the context of scripture it doesn't have the same meaning as the English word "country" (which usually denotes a place of fixed borders and stable government), but rather of a people or nationality. Many Christians today are being deceived into blindly supporting the modern day state of Israel and its policies based on Biblical principle, when the reality is there is no Biblical principle for Christians to support the modern state of Israel.

 

[BABerean2]

What's the title of this thread? This is why I say this forum needs a new tag. Because it seems every thread soon results over an argument of who is Israel.

That is because you keep claiming that Israel and the Church are not connected, no matter what the Bible says.

You do this by ignoring the New Covenant which was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in the New Testament.

Then when someone disagrees with you, you try to change the rules of the forum by begging the moderators for a new tag...

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[Douggg]

That is because you keep claiming that Israel and the Church are not connected, no matter what the Bible says.

You do this by ignoring the New Covenant which was promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled in the New Testament.

Then when someone disagrees with you, you try to change the rules of the forum by begging the moderators for a new tag...

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I don't put tags on other people's threads. It is their choice.

I think a person can do multiple tags as well.

 

[BABerean2]

A former Christian Zionist reveals the warmonger mentality of the doctrine...

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[jmldn2]

It is my belief that Israel had a covenant with God Almighty and even though they failed many times, God never totally destroyed them. I believe Israel has been gathered from all parts of the earth into the land they were promised.

 

[St. Helens]

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