Presbyterian Minister Cancelled Wedding After Bride Declared Support for Same-Sex Marriage

[redleghunter]

I can list a few ancient attitudes that were biblically sanctioned --- xenophobia, polygamy, homophobia, misogyny, slavery, genocide --- there are probably a few more.

All inventions of humans and not sanctioned by God.

Do you have others?

Maybe you could add there were no portable healthcare plans and gender studies commissioned at Sinai as well.

We could stuff a multitude of made up 21st century terms and try to apply them to the Bronze age.

 

[redleghunter]

Not to mention the seven other marriages recorded in the bible, which many Christians seem to forget when they talk about a 'biblical marriage' being only between one man and one woman.

Jesus only sanctioned the original design for marriage which can be found in Matthew 19:1-12.

 

[redleghunter]

It's no surprise though, the Bible's been used as a justification for acts that in this day and age makes most of us cringe.Cherry picking type theology is nothing really new.

What's your church's definition of marriage?

 

[Targaryen]

What's your church's definition of marriage?

Two people that love each other, wish to spend the rest of their lives together and are faithful in Christ. You know pretty standard stuff.

 

[redleghunter]

Maybe a friendly reminder of the Flaming and Goading rules of CF is needed since the question "Are you a Christian sir?" was recently asked in this thread: Terms of Service and Christian Forum Rules

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[redleghunter]

Two people that love each other, wish to spend the rest of their lives together and are faithful in Christ. You know pretty standard stuff.

Do you have a link to your catechism which states this?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Targaryen]

Catechism?

Canons, or church law is not a catechistic revision.

The only traditional document held by all Anglican denomination is the 39 Articles, and only in Article 25 is marriage mentioned:

XXV. Of the Sacraments.

Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men's profession,
but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God's good will
towards us, by the which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also
strengthen and confirm our Faith in him.

There are two Sacraments ordained of Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say,
Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord.

Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders,
Matrimony, and Extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel,
being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of
life allowed in the Scriptures; but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and
the Lord's Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God.

The Sacraments are not ordained of Christ to be gazed upon, or to be carried about, but
that we should duly use them. And in such only as worthily receive the same, they have a
wholesome effect or operation: but they that receive them unworthily, purchase to
themselves damnation, as Saint Paul saith.

 

[redleghunter]

The point of the thread is to examine whether the prospective bride had committed a sin that would stop her being married by a minister in a Presbyterian church.

I admire and respect your astute postings.

However, may have missed that the bride to be was accused of sinning. I think it was a matter of agreeing with church teaching on marriage during pre nuptials classes and then taking a public stand in opposition.

 

[redleghunter]

Catechism?

Canons, or church law is not a catechistic revision.

The only traditional document held by all Anglican denomination is the 39 Articles, and only in Article 25 is marriage mentioned:

XXV. Of the Sacraments.

Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men's profession,
but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God's good will
towards us, by the which he d
XXV. Of the Sacraments.


Sacraments ordained of Christ be not only badges or tokens of Christian men's profession,
but rather they be certain sure witnesses, and effectual signs of grace, and God's good will
towards us, by the which he doth work invisibly in us, and doth not only quicken, but also
strengthen and confirm our Faith in him.

There are two Sacraments ordained of Christ our Lord in the Gospel, that is to say,
Baptism, and the Supper of the Lord.

Those five commonly called Sacraments, that is to say, Confirmation, Penance, Orders,
Matrimony, and Extreme Unction, are not to be counted for Sacraments of the Gospel,
being such as have grown partly of the corrupt following of the Apostles, partly are states of
life allowed in the Scriptures; but yet have not like nature of Sacraments with Baptism, and
the Lord's Supper, for that they have not any visible sign or ceremony ordained of God.

The Sacraments are not ordained of Christ to be gazed upon, or to be carried about, but
that we should duly use them. And in such only as worthily receive the same, they have a
wholesome effect or operation: but they that receive them unworthily, purchase to
themselves damnation, as Saint Paul saith.

I'm sure there is more on marriage.

 

[redleghunter]

So is eating shellfish, or mixing meat and dairy, being an uncircumcised male and cutting the hair on the sides of your head.

Perhaps you should leave God's judgement up to God, specially when Levitical law no longer applies but Jesus' Great Commandment does?

What do the above have to do with marriage?

 

[redleghunter]

I like to present a different side of the debate so that the thread doesn't end up being a one-sided series of abuse against the bride's declaration.

Have no worries brother the bride is well represented on this thread.

 

[Targaryen]

I'm sure there is more on marriage.

Just XXXII, the Marriage of Priests. Which doesn't quite apply here.

 

[redleghunter]

It's amusing how some Christians like to cherry pick Old Testament scriptures, isn't it?

Jesus defined marriage in the NT.

 

[Paidiske]

I'm sure there is more on marriage.

Not in the articles. For Anglican theology of marriage you would have to read the relevant liturgy.

 

[Targaryen]

What do the above have to do with marriage?

Does the out of context quoting of my post help with your need to find an excuse?

 

[redleghunter]

And Levitical laws of sexual immorality and Christian ideals have not always lined up have they?

In what way? Moral or civic law?

 

[redleghunter]

So is eating shellfish, or mixing meat and dairy, being an uncircumcised male and cutting the hair on the sides of your head.

Perhaps you should leave God's judgement up to God, specially when Levitical law no longer applies but Jesus' Great Commandment does?

I quoted your full statement. It was a blind post therefore the above is the full context.

Again what does the above have to do with marriage?

 

[redleghunter]

An accurate understanding of Scripture is claimed by everyone these days, including heterodoxical Christians, Mormons even Atheists using Scripture passages as a argument for their lack of belief. What I'm saying is, to others, the understanding of Mosaic law and how it actually applies or doesn't apply to Christians isn't apart of the basic argument. Hence why I'm saying, it's disingenuous to claim that the use of pointing out Levitical dictates to highlight one issue over another doesn't actually have merit.

Actually no one brought up shellfish and Mosaic law u til you did..

We can of course go back to the subject of marriage.

 

[redleghunter]

Acts 15:29- that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols and from blood and from what is strangled* and from fornication. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.’

Seems fairly in line with Hedrick's point then yours I'm afraid.

Where in Mosaic law is mention made of food sacrificed to idols?

 

[Targaryen]

In what way? Moral or civic law?

How bout in actual practice?