Preincarnate Jesus was Melchizedek

[Akita Suggagaki]

Let me try another angle.

Let proposition P1 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was Jesus preincarnate.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above proposition?

0

Making the text imply something that it does not.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Let me try another angle.

Let proposition P1 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was Jesus preincarnate.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above proposition?

I will repeat again, Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered

And you can continue asking me 100,00+ times I plead the 5th (Hebrews 5) on this one for my own good reasons. Besides, if Hebrews says of Melchizedek many things are hard to be uttered, I acknowledge that as true and thats still an answer from scripture which it agrees with.

 

[Dahveed]

Please focused.
Let proposition P1 = You made a claim but I have to do the homework to support your claim.
True?

This is the 3rd time I am asking

I answered dozens of times, Let God be true, and every analytical fool a liar. (Romans 3:3-4)

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

 

[tonychanyt]

0

Making the text imply something that it does not.

Let proposition P1 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was Jesus preincarnate.
Proposition P2 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was not Jesus preincarnate.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions?

 

[tonychanyt]

I will repeat again, Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered

And you can continue asking me 100,00+ times I plead the 5th (Hebrews 5) on this one for my own good reasons. Besides, if Hebrews says of Melchizedek many things are hard to be uttered, I acknowledge that as true and thats still an answer from scripture which it agrees with.

Sure. I rest

 

[tonychanyt]

I answered dozens of times, Let God be true, and every analytical fool a liar. (Romans 3:3-4)

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. John 3:36

Let me try another angle.

Let proposition P1 = You made a claim but I have to do the homework to support your claim.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above proposition? The stronger your believing a proposition, the higher the weight.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Whose fault is it, if someone makes a thread and no one replies?

I too remember a time when these threads were hopping with good, pointed questions about creationism, the Flood, the parting of the Red Sea, etc. and so on.

Not so much anymore.

And it's disappointing.

What I mean is there is one person flooding the scriptures board and is a ghost town in here just as one person is flooding the One Bread and One Body forum and its been that way for quiet awhile. Whereas when everyone is basically gone from both boards there are only those left (one per board) propping them up, and even desiring to, most of the decent posters are gone. Most people leave when there is no one left, its just odd that that isnt the case in just these two examples.

Most of the questions posted arent questions anyway, either they are gotcha questions or already answered in the initial post, or just threads that minister questions and doubts, or full of provocation, or bankhandedness. Almost as if its set up to be that way to make it that cage full of birds the scriptures speak of.

But best not go on here about it. There were just better days (along with adversity) but they were still fun.

 

[AV1611VET]

But best not go on here about it. There were just better days (along with adversity) but they were still fun.

Yes they were.

And I miss them.

 

[Paul4JC]

Most of the questions posted arent questions anyway, either they are gotcha questions or already answered in the initial post, or just threads that minister questions and doubts, or full of provocation, or bankhandedness. Almost as if its set up to be that way to make it that cage full of birds the scriptures speak of.

Is this some kind of Christain ChatGPT then? Something seems artificial about it.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Concerning the preincarnate Jesus, Hebrew 7:



The author of Hebrew, under inspiration, pointed out the preincarnate existence of Jesus as Melchizedek the high priest at the time of Abraham.

In the OT, after Abram defeated some of the Canaanite kings in Gen 14:

Abram encountered the person of Melchizedek.

Jesus might have alluded to the above in John 8:56


See also Preincarnate appearances of Jesus in the OT.

That's not what the author of Hebrews is saying.

The author is comparing Melchizedek' to Jesus for a specific purpose. Under the Covenant God made with Israel at Sinai, only the descendants of Aaron could be priests.

Thus someone could make the argument that Jesus can't be our Great High Priest because He lacks the "pedigree". The author of Hebrews is saying look to the time even before the Covenant, for Melchizedek was both the king and priest of Salem. We don't know who the parents of Melchizedek were, we don't know where he came from, he's just suddenly there in the story as a king and a priest--and his priesthood is affirmed in the books of the Law. So just like Melchizedek was a priest outside of the lineage of Aaron, so is Jesus. Thus Jesus' priestly status is like that of Melchizedek, a priesthood without lineage.

Jesus is our Great High Priest, it doesn't matter that He wasn't of Aaron's line. And, in fact, Jesus is the High Priest of a new and better covenant, with new and better promises. The old priesthood of Aaron's line looked forward to the greater priestliness of the Messiah, for the sacrifice Jesus has made is a far better sacrifice than anything offered in the Tabernacle/Temple.

Melchizedek was Melchizedek.
Jesus is Jesus.

Melchizedek lived, died, and won't be raised up until Christ's return.
But Jesus is alive now, seated at the right hand of the Father, and will come again as judge of the living and the dead.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Was Melchizekek Jesus?

No.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Fireinfolding]

Is this some kind of Christain ChatGPT then? Something seems artificial about it.

Could be, you never know nowadays.

 

[Dahveed]

Let me try another angle.

Let proposition P1 = You made a claim but I have to do the homework to support your claim.

Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Rom 14:22 [Rejoice and be glad in His salvation. Isaiah 25:9]

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on the above proposition?

God who called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, Gal 1:

Can a Christian swear an oath?

Galatians 1:20 In what I am writing to you, before God, I do not lie!

This faith is based on the hope of eternal life that God, who doesn’t lie, promised before time began. And has now been manifested through His Word; Titus 1:1-4

The life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, 1 John 1:2
Through the Word was life, and the life was the light for all mankind. John 1:4

 

[tonychanyt]

Do you have faith?

Yes.

 

[Dahveed]

It's not as though the word of God failed.
Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Rom 14:22 [Rejoice and be glad in His salvation. Isaiah 25:9]
God who called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, Gal 1:
This faith is based on the hope of eternal life that God, who doesn’t lie, promised before time began. And has now been manifested through His Word; Titus 1:1-4 The life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, 1 John 1:2 Through the Word was life, and the life was the light for all mankind. John 1:4

Yes.

For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1:20

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Let proposition P1 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was Jesus preincarnate.
Proposition P2 = According to the author of Hebrews, Melchizedek was not Jesus preincarnate.

Between 0 and 10, how much weight do you put on each of the above propositions?

P1 = .0
P2 - 1.0

 

[tonychanyt]

For all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God through us. 2 Cor 1:20

and therefore ...?

 

[tonychanyt]

P1 = .0
P2 - 1.0

P2 = 10?

 

[Dahveed]

Melchizedek was Melchizedek.
Jesus is Jesus.

Melchizedek lived, died, and won't be raised up until Christ's return.
But Jesus is alive now, seated at the right hand of the Father, and will come again as judge of the living and the dead.

For this Melchizedek, translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,” without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest forever. (7:3)

The writer of Hebrews states: “So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him: ‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’ As He also says in another place: ‘You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek’ ” (5:5-6).

Therefore He is able also to save forever those who come to God through Him, Heb 7:25

and therefore ...?

Therefore simply say ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

P2 = 10?

oops. I got too involved with decimal probability. 0 and 10