pre-trib

[timlamb]

There is a rapture as given in Thess, but it happens at the end of the millennium reign when the judgement of the earth is made.

And what would be the purpose of a rapture then? Spiriting people away right before the great throne judgement? Like no one will know when the thousand years are up?

So what are you afraid of in the tribulation. That you will fail to be faithful.

If you don't know what to fear in the tribulation, you haven't been paying attention. Suffering like has not been on the earth before. Not just inflicted by people against people, but all the fury of Satan and the wrath of God. No one is told to stand and fight but to run and not look back, and hide in the hills, ending in a blood bath. The bible says to be very afraid, except for one thing, the church will not face it, by the mercy of God we are to be counted worthy without need to be tested for we have shown ourselves worthy to be spared this world wide calamity.

 

[HisKid1973]

I always thought about thise verses:
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man..
and
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

pax..kim

 

[timlamb]

I always thought about thise verses:
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man..
and
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth

pax..kim

Yep, I think you understand. I don't think anyone on earth will miss the wrath.

See ya in the clouds!

 

[jeffweeder]

Lets take this step by step.

The word says that the dead in Christ are raised first before anyone who is alive is taken anywhere.

The word of God says that those who are beheaded for their testimony in the tribulation are raised to reign with Christ for a thousand years.

The word of God says the rest of the dead are not raised until the thousand years be completed.

The word of God says that those who are dead and remain will be raised after the thousand years and then those who are alive will be caught up with them to be with Christ in the air.

The word of God says that the living will not preceed the dead in Christ.

Say what you will, you cannot change the word of God for what you believe it means. It says what it means so that even a child can understand. There is no mysticism to it. Only understanding given by the spirit of that which has always been before us. His word.

Hismessenger

Thankyou Hismessenger.

You must understand that the living will in No way precede our sleeping brothers in Christ.
We look to his return nothing more.-They did.

You think that "escaping the Hr of trial" means the rapture?
You need no strength to participate in the rapture, but you need strength to resist all the devil will throw at you as he sees his doom day approaching.

You really think that theres going to be a great tribulation that is for the world to endure?
In this world you will have tribulation--The whole world follows its leaders-but we are called not to recieve its mark- GT
,Jesus brings the wrath of God after the day of grace at his coming.They refused to love the truth, and now he appears-The day of patience is over.
The world will experience the wrath of God
We will see tribulation, so pray that your faith will remain firm, and that you will have the strength to resist the lie, and wrath of satan-and
This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you,
and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire,
dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
when He comes to be glorified His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed—for our testimony to you was believed.

 

[Mighty Mouse]

Yep... no pre-trib rapture will occur. To interpret otherwise is to ignore the most clear teaching of scripture.

Be prepared. The church will be tested, tried, tempted and purified -- sooner rather than later, I believe.

 

[timlamb]

I never said the dead in Christ didn't go first, that is the word, yes. But I'm missing the wrath which will encompass the whole earth,"standing on the promises of God" "STANDING, STANDING STANDING ON THE PROMISES OF CHRIST MY SAVIOR". Amen

 

[yeshuasavedme]

And what would be the purpose of a rapture then? Spiriting people away right before the great throne judgement? Like no one will know when the thousand years are up?



If you don't know what to fear in the tribulation, you haven't been paying attention. Suffering like has not been on the earth before. Not just inflicted by people against people, but all the fury of Satan and the wrath of God. No one is told to stand and fight but to run and not look back, and hide in the hills, ending in a blood bath. The bible says to be very afraid, except for one thing, the church will not face it, by the mercy of God we are to be counted worthy without need to be tested for we have shown ourselves worthy to be spared this world wide calamity.

And those who deny the Living Oracles as the instructor of the truth of the great gathering together of the entire "First Harvest" of the sons of God with the Firstfruits in heaven -which harvest is growing for that ingathering in each born again person, as the 'earth [Adam] which receives the planted seed which "fell into the ground and died", also miss the fact that the consecrated priests have to have seven days of celebration before they go out of the temple.
There is no way the sons are to don the bodies of perfection at the time of the Firstborn's return to the earth to reign, for then they would not be consecrated!
This is taught in Leviticus 8.

Those who are taken as the firstfruits of the second harvest to come after the thousand years do not reign with Him for the thousand years, and those who are martyred during the seven years are resurrected to reign -but they are later gleanings of the multitudes of earth's sons taken in that first ingathering, which is of all earth's righteous generation from the beginning to that time of His coming in the air. -and they do not go into the temple when they are martyred, for the doors are shut 'behind them' when the Church goes in [as Isaiah 2619-21, and Leviticus 8 teach].

Masses and maasses and masses are gathered together in the ingathering of the harvest called Pentecost, and they are consecrated seven days in the temple in their holy garments of priesthood [bodies of Adoption made int he NEw Man's image and glorified].

 

[icedtea]

I have missed a lot in these 2 weeks I've been out of this forum. I am sure timlamb is doing a good job exlplaining we are raptured first, then later return with Him after the Wedding Feast. Got to catch up, reading some of these pages, back later.

 

[timlamb]

I have missed a lot in these 2 weeks I've been out of this forum. I am sure timlamb is doing a good job exlplaining we are raptured first, then later return with Him after the Wedding Feast. Got to catch up, reading some of these pages, back later.

Hey Everbody, Howard's back!!!Yea!!

 

[HisKid1973]

I think there is a difference between experiening tribulation in our lives and experiencing the "great" tribulation..

 

[timlamb]

I think there is a difference between experiening tribulation in our lives and experiencing the "great" tribulation..

Boy howdy, you got that right.

 

[icedtea]

Jesus comes at the rapture, we go up and have the Wedding, then we return with Him, and many more join us for the Wedding Supper.

 

[Hismessenger]

The question was asked, what would be the purpose of a rapture at the end. There are three reasons for it as witnessed by the scripture. One is because the word of God has said it would be so and God's word must come to pass as He has spoken or else it would become a lie and we know this cannot happen.
Second, it will be to reward His faithful believers for not folding in times of testing.
And last but not least. We are to be placed in His service in heaven which we are now being groomed for.
This is not about arguing but that the truth may be known for someone is seeking the kingdom and God provides for their need.

Hismessenger

 

[timlamb]

The question was asked, what would be the purpose of a rapture at the end. There are three reasons for it as witnessed by the scripture. One is because the word of God has said it would be so and God's word must come to pass as He has spoken or else it would become a lie and we know this cannot happen.
Second, it will be to reward His faithful believers for not folding in times of testing.
And last but not least. We are to be placed in His service in heaven which we are now being groomed for.
This is not about arguing but that the truth may be known for someone is seeking the kingdom and God provides for their need.

Hismessenger

At the end of the thousand years, satan is loosed and then the judgement, I was pointing out there is no need for a "theif in the night" rapture. The judgement is definately about taking the tares and burning them, then the harvest and the whole farm is made new.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

The question was asked, what would be the purpose of a rapture at the end. There are three reasons for it as witnessed by the scripture. One is because the word of God has said it would be so and God's word must come to pass as He has spoken or else it would become a lie and we know this cannot happen.
Second, it will be to reward His faithful believers for not folding in times of testing.
And last but not least. We are to be placed in His service in heaven which we are now being groomed for.
This is not about arguing but that the truth may be known for someone is seeking the kingdom and God provides for their need.

Hismessenger

scripture ?

 

[Hismessenger]

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper [in the thing] whereto I sent it

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Jhn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

3

Dan 12:2 — And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt

If these aren't enough to send you looking, there are plenty more.

Hismessenger

 

[timlamb]

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If these aren't enough to send you looking, there are plenty more.

Hismessenger

I don't see how these answer the question.

The end of the thousand years, judgement, new Heaven and earth, Tares burned, sheep from goats, what would be the significance of a rapture at that point?

Oh well, If we are not raptured before the tribulation, it doesn't matter much when it happens after that, Christ will rule the earth.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

The question was asked, what would be the purpose of a rapture at the end.

how does 1 thes 4:16-17.. trump of God and 1 cor 15:51-53 and the last trump since this is the rapture show me in rev you think it is...

There are three reasons for it as witnessed by the scripture.

scripture?

One is because the word of God has said it would be so and God's word must come to pass as He has spoken or else it would become a lie and we know this cannot happen.

scripture?

Second, it will be to reward His faithful believers for not folding in times of testing.
And last but not least. We are to be placed in His service in heaven which we are now being groomed for.

scripture ?

This is not about arguing but that the truth may be known for someone is seeking the kingdom and God provides for their need.

Hismessenger

please

 

[Hismessenger]

I gave three scripture in post #356 that cover all the points. God has said it, it must come to pass. Christ said that it would happen in the last day, that being the day of judgment, And last those whom have received salvation for their faith are rewarded and those who had no faith are cast away.

Hismessenger

 

[A Brother In Christ]

I gave three scripture in post #356 that cover all the points. God has said it, it must come to pass. Christ said that it would happen in the last day, that being the day of judgment, And last those whom have received salvation for their faith are rewarded and those who had no faith are cast away.

Hismessenger

john 3:16-18 believer not judged with unbelievers

... believer are glorifiied and they get to help judging the dead.... 1 cor 6:2-3.. how?