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No, speaking in tongues is about speaking in the language of Angels (the heavenly language), it has nothing to do with gibberish.Exactly!
Speaking in tongues is about speaking in 'known' languages! Not gibberish!
Now I do recall hearing people do this several decades ago (they were probably only ex-cessationist newbies) but with what I have heard over the years our Angelic tongue sounds more pure than many human tongues. Without wishing to offend anyone, I know that my Anglo ears can easily go into meltdown when I am surrounded by people from certain East Asian cultures, it almost becomes unbearable but I have no doubt that our English language could sound this way to them as well.You see it where all these people are going crazy repeating the same 'noise' 'unknown word' over and over and over! Complete gibberish!
No, speaking in tongues is about speaking in the language of Angels (the heavenly language), it has nothing to do with gibberish.
Now I do recall hearing people do this several decades ago (they were probably only ex-cessationist newbies) but with what I have heard over the years our Angelic tongue sounds more pure than many human tongues. Without wishing to offend anyone, I know that my Anglo ears can easily go into meltdown when I am surrounded by people from certain East Asian cultures, it almost becomes unbearable but I have no doubt that our English language could sound this way to them as well.
That's easy . . . I get to hear what the language of Angels sounds like each time that I pray in the Spirit; [pause for prayer], yep, that's what it sounds like.How do you know what the language of the Angels sounds like?
No, speaking in tongues is about speaking in the language of Angels (the heavenly language), it has nothing to do with gibberish.
That's easy . . . I get to hear what the language of Angels sounds like each time that I pray in the Spirit; [pause for prayer], yep, that's what it sounds like.
Where in scripture does it say the gift of tongues is the language of angels? The only description I can see says it is the languages of men.
As he claims to be trying to return to the LordAs you are apparently "still in the process" of sorting things out with the Lord, I will leave this alone as a public forum might not always be the best way to go. But when it comes to being enabled to pray in the Spirit (tongues), then this is something that the Holy Spirit will enable any Believer to do if they so desire. To be able to praise God through the power of the Holy Spirit is a great way to release those inner tensions, where our ability to simply stand before the Lord (or even while driving a car) is a wonderful way to allow the Holy Spirit to speak words of praise to the Father on our behalf.
As for having the Holy Spirit interceding on our behalf in tongues, this is another matter, but to be able to freely praise God in the Spirit should be your first aim.
As for the other 8 Manifestations of the Holy Spirit (1Cor 12:8-10), I would leave them alone for now where I would recommend that you first sort things out with the Lord and then quickly seek to be enabled to allow the Holy Spirit to speak words of praise to the Father.
I have to agree with you, tongues are known languages. The glossolalia that's popular today is mere gibberish.Exactly!
Speaking in tongues is about speaking in 'known' languages! Not gibberish!
You see it where all these people are going crazy repeating the same 'noise' 'unknown word' over and over and over! Complete gibberish!
Actually no! Now the Twelve certainly did on the Day of Pentecost but as Paul was not present on this particular day then as far as we know he has only ever spoken in Angelic tongues. As I could not see any reason for the Holy Spirit speaking through him in a known human language then we can probably presume that he never did.Exactly!! The Apostles spoke in 'known' languages when they spoke in tongues!
After all these years having heard many cessationist arguments and work-arounds, I don't think that I have ever come across your rather imaginative explanation, but I think that I will probably leave your very creative work to the side.The heavenly tongue is the Word of God. Could you say that you truly understand the Word when you read it literally? You must also consider Isaiah 55:8, "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
G'day! Yes it can be a bit awkward discussing the content of the original post on a public forum, where at times the forum can produce more harm than good.As he claims to be trying to return to the Lord
I've already recommended the command to repent .
As to your comments on tongues I agree more and more..
Let me guess..you don't speak in tongues...right?I have to agree with you, tongues are known languages. The glossolalia that's popular today is mere gibberish.
However, the spiritual gift of tongues is not all of the sudden receiving the tongue of another language either. Reading out loud literal record of the Bible is speaking in the heavenly tongue, and interpreting the Bible with the Bible, spiritual thoughts with spiritual words is the interpretation of the tongue. The heavenly tongue is the Word of God. Could you say that you truly understand the Word when you read it literally? You must also consider Isaiah 55:8, "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.
Because our thoughts are not God's thoughts, we cannot simply interpret the Bible however we want. If we want the truth, then we must interpret spiritual thoughts with spiritual words (1 Corinthians 2:13, NASB), as I mentioned earlier; this is revealing the voice of the Spirit of Truth!<snip>
Actually no! Now the Twelve certainly did on the Day of Pentecost but as Paul was not present on this particular day then as far as we know he has only ever spoken in Angelic tongues. As I could not see any reason for the Holy Spirit speaking through him in a known human language then we can probably presume that he never did.
Let me guess..you don't speak in tongues...right?
Quite far from imaginative, I only spoke on what it says in the Bible. You should really consider taking a listen, there's no imagination involvedAfter all these years having heard many cessationist arguments and work-arounds, I don't think that I have ever come across your rather imaginative explanation, but I think that I will probably leave your very creative work to the side.
So, I do not believe that the Spirit of God gives today gifts of prophecies
and tongues as He gave them in the early Church.
Moreover there is no need for such prophecies today.
I will explain you what I think.
My point is:
1. Everything is said. There is no need for any new prophecies.
2. God does not talk to people DIRECTLY and in audible voice today as to Moses or Isaiah or Daniel..or other prophets.
Why? God talked to Moses and prophets DIRECTLY, after this communication with God, the prophets went to Israel and communicated/gave them
what God said.
3. If a christian claims that God talked to him directly and said something then any claim of such christian
on behalf of God will be judged by Him. You know that already. Moreover, our madhouses are full of patients who claim that they constantly talk to 'god' or hear voices
in head.
Cessationism teaches that the revelatory gifts (tongues and prophecy) have ceased to be given to the church by the Holy Spirit after the completion of the New Testament canon. The following is a list of reasons why I have become a cessationist.
Reason 1 - The Scriptures Are Sufficient For Every Good Work
2 Timothy 3:16-17 says, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." This passage explains that the scriptures are sufficient for our sanctification. It doesn't say that the scriptures equip us for some works, but we need the gifts of tongues or prophecy to really experience super spirituality. It says that the scriptures are sufficient to equip us for every good work.
Reason 2 - The Scriptures Are Sufficient For Salvation
The scriptures are also sufficient for saving souls. Romans 1:16 says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek." Those who would promote so called "power evangelism" argue that the gifts are important evangelistic tools. They would argue that miracles and demonstrations of the power of God would cause someone to believe in the gospel. In the story of the rich man and Lazarus, told by Jesus in Luke 16, the rich man in hell begs Abraham to send Lazarus "to my father's house, for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment" (vs. 27b-28). Abraham then says "They have Moses and the prophets". The rich man argued the same argument as "power evangelists" do today. "No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent" (vs. 30). Abraham's reply is this, "If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead." So miracles do nothing to save the lost. God must first perform a sovereign work of regeneration before someone can believe.
Reason 3 - The Scriptures Are Complete
Hebrews 1:1-2 says the following:
God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
The Greek word elalesen (spoken) is an aorist tense verb. The aorist tense indicates an action that has been completed in the past.
I would have thought that the obvious and plain meaning of what Paul was saying should be apparent to all?Seeing as Paul equates tongues to foreign human languages in 1 Cor 14:21-22 I rather think the opposite is true.
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