Praying for the Sick

[Messy]

This is awesome:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOCE--KFaVw

 

[Alithis]

my son got a fever .. we laid hands on him and prayed
he was healed .
my son got chicken pox .. i though ouhh yuk i don't look forward to him getting pox marks all over him and his face and all the itching .. the spots began to appear on his back as we put him to bed - we prayed lord give him this miracle and take this away .. when he awoke in the morning the pox had vanished from his body every spot gone.

when he got a fruit and nut reaction and he could not breath right (it happened so fast) and he swelled up you could not see his eyes etc .. we did not have faith so strong and we rushed him to the medical center .. where they did the normal treatments to settle the swelling down and get him breathing ..it was traumatic night .
we prayed and he was fine .. but the cool thing is , we declared in the name of Jesus that he be healed of such allergies and he has since eaten anything at all with absolutely no effect .
just because some one tells you your child "has" an allergy " does not mean you must accept the allergy .. pray and the lord will heal them of it .

i had a tumor on my face - i prayed the lord heal it from me and trusted him to do so entertaining no thought nor word in faithlessness which contradicted it .. a few mornings later i got up ,looked in the mirror and that tumor had vanished from my face ..

faith grows
unbelief stunts faith .
i have little interest in theories on healing ..
it is God who heals .. he tells us to pray for the sick..
so - do so !

 

[Rose_bud]

And Jesus didnt turn Him away, He said.. All things are possible to him who believes..To which he cried out.. Lord I believe, help my unbelief... Faith is knowing that God is WILLING and ABLE to do what He says He will do.. The father knew he was willing, but doubted, whether He was able.

 

[Souldier]

In Romans 8 we see that paul teaches us that we will endure hardship and suffering. Paul is not promising that we will be free of those things but he is promising that it will not separate us from Christ and Gods love. This scripture is not promising that we will not have hardship, its instead promising that we will have love from God despite what may happen to us on earth. Look at what paul talks about- famine, death, persecution, trouble. Nothing in this world can separate us from Gods love although this world will destroy our bodies. Look at this scripture, it doesn't seem to paint an image of life more abundantly on earth. To the contrary, it seems to suggest that we will not always escape the woes of life, but the Lord will still be with us.


Romans 8:5 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”[j]
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Souldier]

Faith delivered paul from the stonings he endured, yet faith didnt deliver stephan from the stoning which killed him. He was spirit filled yet he still died. The point is not if we escape anything that this world may do to our body, the point is that we must walk in faith that we are going to heaven where our bodies will not grow old and die anymore. Thats faith

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Where does scripture say that sickness is considered hardship or suffering though?

I can show you scripture that says Jesus' blood paid for our healing Matthew 8:17 and that a benefit of knowing God personally is healing Psalm 103:3

 

[Rose_bud]

Faith delivered paul from the stonings he endured, yet faith didnt deliver stephan from the stoning which killed him. He was spirit filled yet he still died. The point is not if we escape anything that this world may do to our body, the point is that we must walk in faith that we are going to heaven where our bodies will not grow old and die anymore. Thats faith

This is so true.. Therefore we all have to find out what the will of God is for our own life.. When He reveals this, he will give you the faith to match it..

 

[Messy]

My son had pneumonia, but they thought it was asthma, so they gave the wrong medicine and I wasn't there. I got there, I said: No he has pneumonia, his dad says so. God told him. The doctor said well I can hang my medical books and stethoscope in the trees then. But she made a picture and it was right so he got the good stuff. It was just horrible, I got so angry at that devil. I rebuked him and I said without anybody able to hear it, because the nurse gave the shot wrong first and it hurt, Ýou do it right in Jesus' Name!!' Then within no time it was all fine.

He had this poll allergy, awful and we had pills for it, but my ex didn't have them anymore and he was there so his eyes were swollen, it hurted very much and he said: dad why don't you just pray??? So he did, totally gone.

 

[Alithis]

Originally Posted by Souldier View Post
Faith delivered paul from the stonings he endured, yet faith didnt deliver stephan from the stoning which killed him. He was spirit filled yet he still died. The point is not if we escape anything that this world may do to our body, the point is that we must walk in faith that we are going to heaven where our bodies will not grow old and die anymore. Thats faith

This is so true.. Therefore we all have to find out what the will of God is for our own life.. When He reveals this, he will give you the faith to match it..

yes .. and faith knows that even death is victory .. hmm perhaps that's what we in the west lack .. a faith that will hold to the truth even if it costs us our life to do so ,knowing that Christ will raise us up again at the last day

 

[Souldier]

Where does scripture say that sickness is considered hardship or suffering though?

I can show you scripture that says Jesus' blood paid for our healing Matthew 8:17 and that a benefit of knowing God personally is healing Psalm 103:3

Please understand that many of my examples are built on scriptures that others sometimes use to suggest that faith means deliverance from sickness and also poverty and distresses. Paul says that nothing in all creation, nothing in this world can separate us from Gods love, in all things we are more than conquerors. This indicates that it covers all things, even sickness. Nothing can separate us from his love, that means nothing in this whole world, even sickness. Besides, why would God heal our every infirmity yet still let us suffer famine and death? Does that make sense? Isnt it possible that our health isnt what matters but rather that we walk in love while we are here and use faith to focus on heaven rather than earthly things? If heaven is my focus then why does it matter if i suffer an illness, hardship, famine or death? Im not suggesting that is what God will us all to go through but many people will endure those things, and where should their faith be? Should i lose hope because someone may say my faith is weak? Where is their faith? Why do their prayers not heal me if they are so full of faith? So we see that there is plenty of blame to go around. Its my opinion that none of this matters though, because we are taught to look toward heaven where life eternal is found, and not on earth where sickness and death are found. I think my faith should be on heaven where Christ is seated at Gods right hand instead of on earthly things. Isnt that what romans 8 is teaching us?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

No one here is saying our physical health is more important than our walk with God. i think that is what you misunderstand.

What I dont understand is why you are in a Charismatic forum and arguing against healing.

 

[Rose_bud]

Who is arguing against healing??

 

[Souldier]

This is so true.. Therefore we all have to find out what the will of God is for our own life.. When He reveals this, he will give you the faith to match it..

Perhaps Gods will is to look toward heaven not earth, to love those around us instead of our own life only. Thats what i see God showing me. It just doesnt make sense that he wants me to be healed of all infirmities yet still allow Timothy to need medication. It doesn't make sense to me that God will allow me to endure famine and death by the sword yet give me good health if i just have enough faith. Besides, James says that the prayers of the elders heal the sick, but its not the faith of those who are sick which heals. Why then do we keep suggesting otherwise?

 

[Souldier]

And Jesus didnt turn Him away, He said.. All things are possible to him who believes..To which he cried out.. Lord I believe, help my unbelief... Faith is knowing that God is WILLING and ABLE to do what He says He will do.. The father knew he was willing, but doubted, whether He was able.

All things are possible but not necessarily promised.

 

[Messy]

It just doesnt make sense that he wants me to be healed of all infirmities yet still allow Timothy to need medication.

These signs will follow the believers: they will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. We have authority over sickness and can use it. He healed all that were oppressed by the devil. Give me one text where Jesus said to someone: No I don't want to heal you for this and this good reason.
It makes no sense to me that He wouldn't want to heal me or anybody else. If it's their time, okay, but for the rest.. He just gave us the power to heal the sick. What is there to ask if it is His will?

 

[Souldier]

Where does scripture say that sickness is considered hardship or suffering though?

I can show you scripture that says Jesus' blood paid for our healing Matthew 8:17 and that a benefit of knowing God personally is healing Psalm 103:3

Why was timothy not healed then? Why did paul not accuse him of having weak faith? Yet timothy was a qualified teacher. Yet he lacked faith? I notice that nowhere does paul command that we get healed, or that he question anyone's faith concerning those things. His focus is on looking toward heaven and living a spiritual life while we are on earth. Paul didnt accuse timothy of sinning or lacking faith. Why is that? Yet the scripture you refer to says we were healed by his stripes. What is Peter teaching about that scripture? Isnt he leading us to follow Christs example of bearing reproach and things like that? Isnt peter focused on perhaps teaching us to bear our own stripes too? Why is peter not focused on healing in that scripture? Why is it instead on bearing reproach? WHy also are you so focused on healing instead of what peter and paul focus on? Why are your prayers not enough to heal others? Why must you seem to question their faith over those things if Peter and paul did not? Please dont take my comments personally, i am referring to the doctrine which you seem to follow, i know you are only doing what you think is right and necessary.

 

[Souldier]

These signs will follow the believers: they will lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. We have authority over sickness and can use it. He healed all that were oppressed by the devil. Give me one text where Jesus said to someone: No I don't want to heal you for this and this good reason.
It makes no sense to me that He wouldn't want to heal me or anybody else. If it's their time, okay, but for the rest.. He just gave us the power to heal the sick. What is there to ask if He wants it?

Yes but that does not necessarily refer to everyone today, Christ may have been giving a sign that others can identify His apostles by. Peter and the other apostles did heal people. However in the last days the enemy will use signs and wonders to deceive people, so is it wise to look for those signs to follow? Not to mention, the focus here is not on the healer but instead the sick. We are focused on the faith of the sick, not the person who heals. If the sign of those who follow Christ is that they heal people what happens if they cannot heal people? Should we now blame it on weak faith in the sick person? Many people were healed without faith. So why blame it on a lack of faith? So if your church doesn't heal me should i then say that you dont follow Christ? Also paul says that only some people have the gift of healing. Healing is not the sign of a believer in all believers.

Its this healing doctrine that im hearing about which i seem to appose. It just has too many holes in it.

 

[Souldier]

No one here is saying our physical health is more important than our walk with God. i think that is what you misunderstand.

What I dont understand is why you are in a Charismatic forum and arguing against healing.

Im arguing not against healing but against our misunderstanding of it.

 

[Rose_bud]

All things are possible but not necessarily promised.

Mark 8 ...And a leper came to Him and bowed down before Him, and said, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean. (The leper knew he was ABLE to heal him, but not sure if he would.) Jesus stretched out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” And immediately his leprosy was cleansed...Sometimes we know God can, but oftentimes we wonder if He will... But Jesus is always willing.. No matter how "unclean" we may be..

 

[Souldier]

Mark 8 ...And a leper came to Him and bowed down before Him, and said, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean. (The leper knew he was ABLE to heal him, but not sure if he would.) Jesus stretched out His hand and touched him, saying, “I am willing; be cleansed.” And immediately his leprosy was cleansed...Sometimes we know God can, but oftentimes we wonder if He will... But Jesus is always willing.. No matter how "unclean" we may be..

THis doesnt address the many concerns that i raised. I appreciate your post however. Thank you.