Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[TheBear]

Hmm, comparing people's sex acts to people oppressed. How fascinating to watch this implemented over and over again.

"Sex acts"? All there is to a marriage is "sex acts"? What a shallow and immature view.

Oh really? The women in the legalized brothels, the thriving underground porn and prostitution industry or the ones aborted because they are inconvenient? Just where is this utopia again?

Utopia? What discussion are you in? I've never said anything about any utopia. Nice try, but your red herring tactic didn't work.

As for slavery, there are young women, who even today, are kidnapped and forced into the sex trade against their will. They have been made slaves. As for those who are in the sex business for the money and of their own free will, whether you personally approve it or not, they are not slaves. Try to make the distinction between someone being forced to do something against their will, and someone doing something because they choose to, of their own free will.

And once again, you're comparing a sex act to an individual person being forced to do something against their will. Gay sex is a very premeditated act.

And once again, you're restricting marriage to "sex acts", as if that's all their is to a marriage.

 

[SiderealExalt]

"Sex acts"? All there is to a marriage is "sex acts"? What a shallow and immature view.

Of course they reduce it to that. If they didn't they might have to confront that uncomfortable feeling in their stomach that comes when they recognize gays as human beings.

 

[TheBear]

Of course they reduce it to that. If they didn't they might have to confront that uncomfortable feeling in their stomach that comes when they recognize gays as human beings.

Exactly.

I'm sure they describe their own marriage as a hell of a lot more than just "sex acts".

 

[SiderealExalt]

Exactly.

I'm sure they describe their own marriage as a lot more than just "sex acts".

Of course they are. I mean if they recognized that for gay's they'd be treating others as they themselves would wish to be taught and the bible says nothing about treating others as you would wish to be treated. /sarcasm alert sarcasm alert

 

[bsd13]

No - but God has changed the rules given to humans - in the OT, divorce was permitted and divorce for any reason was a given in Jewish society while Jesus was teaching. But Jesus told the Pharisees that God had only permitted them divorce (in the Laws given to Moses) because their hearts were hardened - so Jesus had to change the rules (back - based on a different bit of scripture).

Jesus clarified the scriptures for them because they had been living contrary to what God had told them.

This is why it is SO important to study the scriptures out before making a judgment about what they say. You probably have seen Deut. 24:1 where it says

"If a man marries a woman who becomes displeasing to him because he finds something indecent about her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce..."

The phrase "displeasing to him" doesn't mean he suddenly just doesn't like her. It's talking about some aspect of her person that she hid from him in order to get him to marry her. Remember in those days they didn't cohabitate with each other so there would have been a good chance to hide some of the more unpleasant aspects of your personality from one another.

Basically it's saying if she has lied to you and you can't forgive her in your heart then it is better to set her free. That's hardly allowing for divorce for any reason they can dream up.

Jesus actually made the law more restrictive. He said (paraphrased) anyone who divorces his wife and then marries again, except for issues of infidelity, has committed adultery. The law of Moses did not mention that. It said that he couldn't remarry the same woman, not that he couldn't remarry at all.

Personally, I think there is a large difference between how God is described in the Old Testament (focusing more on His vengeful aspects) and how He is described in the New Testament, particularly the Gospels (focusing more on His loving aspects).

I respectfully disagree. The mercy and grace, compassion and love is still there plain as day. If you do this I will have mercy on you. If you do that I will be gracious towards you. If you don't do this, or do that instead I will punish you. It's the same in the NT.

God doesn't change, but human society does - and I think that one can interpret the newer changes as Biblically sound (particularly if one focuses on the historical context of each bit of Biblical text).

In order for that to be true God would have to change. He would have to make adjustments to who He is and how He rules over creation in order to appease people. God's not running for office. He's not an elected official that needs to do things a certain way to keep us happy. He's God which by default implies He has complete and sovereign authority to do anything He wants however He wants for any reason He chooses.

But praise God He is good and does not change His mind. Can you imagine creation being ruled by a being that changed its mind on a whim? Imagine if the gods of the greeks or the romans were real and the ones in charge. How scary would that be. One day your doing just fine then next they kill you just to get their sick kicks.

 

[bsd13]

Exactly.

I'm sure they describe their own marriage as a hell of a lot more than just "sex acts".

How would you describe a homosexual relationship?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

How would you describe a homosexual relationship?

How would describe a heterosexual relationship? When you are done substitute the word homosexual and you've got it.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

How would you describe a homosexual relationship?

How would you describe it? Go for it, and then I'll tell you how accurate you are.

 

[TheBear]

How would you describe a homosexual relationship?

The same way I would describe a heterosexual relationship. That was the point of what I said.

The fact that you asked that question, I imagine that you're the type who thinks of a heterosexual relationship as involving love, compassion, companionship, sex, caring, support, selflessness, sharing, doing things together, traveling together, learning from each other, helping each other, missing each other when the other is away, and a lot more. But when you think of a homosexual relationship, you think of it as involving sex, and nothing more.

 

[bsd13]

How would describe a heterosexual relationship? When you are done substitute the word homosexual and you've got it.

Between a man, a woman, and with God at the very core of it.

Are you sure that's the definition that you'd use to describe a homosexual relationship?

 

[bsd13]

The same way I would describe a heterosexual relationship. That was the point of what I said.

The fact that you asked that question, I imagine that you're the type who thinks of a heterosexual relationship as involving love, compassion, companionship, sex, caring, support, selflessness, sharing, doing things together, traveling together, learning from each other, helping each other, missing each other when the other is away, and a lot more. But when you think of a homosexual relationship, you think of it as involving sex, and nothing more.

I've never been in a homosexual relationship so I don't pretend to know what one looks like from the inside.

 

[b&wpac4]

Between a man, a woman, and with God at the very core of it.

Are you sure that's the definition that you'd use to describe a homosexual relationship?

What if the man and woman in the relationship are not believers in God?

 

[bsd13]

What if the man and woman in the relationship are not believers in God?

Have you ever seen a two legged stool? If they aren't believers in God then they've substituted that "leg" with something else.

 

[b&wpac4]

Have you ever seen a two legged stool? If they aren't believers in God then they've substituted that "leg" with something else.

What then do I worship? You claim I have substituted God for something else. What is that?

 

[bsd13]

What then do I worship? You claim I have substituted God for something else. What is that?

You tell me what your god is.

Your career?

Your intellect?

Humanism?

Advocacy and rights?

The list of possibilities is endless. Only you truly know, but I guarantee there's something there that takes the place of God. Might even be many somethings.

 

[b&wpac4]

You tell me what your god is.

Your career?

Your intellect?

Humanism?

Advocacy and rights?

The list of possibilities is endless. Only you truly know, but I guarantee there's something there that takes the place of God. Might even be many somethings.

I assume you have a scripture reference to prove this?

 

[bsd13]

I assume you have a scripture reference to prove this?

Read the book of Ecclesiastes that will make it clear.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Between a man, a woman, and with God at the very core of it.

Are you sure that's the definition that you'd use to describe a homosexual relationship?

I do not know a single married couple that are christian as in my field of work or in the type of business I own Christians are extremely rare. And you know exactly what I mean by my question you are just being deliberately obtuse.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Have you ever seen a two legged stool? If they aren't believers in God then they've substituted that "leg" with something else.

What a crock. That is why the divorce rate per capita is higher for Christians than any other group.

 

[bsd13]

What a crock. That is why the divorce rate per capita is higher for Christians than any other group.

Very few Christians lean on God in all things as we are instructed to do. When it comes to our fragile egos very few Christians care to consult God about anything. We'd rather just react.