Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[angellica]

Show me where we get to deny people their rights based on a book written before modern civilization and a book that steals pieces from almost every religion before it. The bible does not give you the right to deny me or anyone else of their rights.

I did not make the claim that the Bible gives me rights to deny someone of a right.

Originally Posted by angellica

I have, both in the OT and NT and he condemns same-sex sex. There's no amount of twisting or trying to justify it than can change its meaning.
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You are quite simply in error.

So, WHERE am I in error? WHERE in the Bible does it say homosexuality is okay?

 

[WatersMoon110]

I thought they wanted to get married because of their "love" for each other, not for insurance.

And they want their marriage to get the same legal recognision given to other marriages.

Gay couples can already be married in a Church (even a Christian Church) that is willing to preform gay marriages. They can already get a religious marriage, if they desire one. So people are advocating for same sex unions to get the same legal rights as straight unions.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

No, I have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. I do not have the right to marry a family member, even if I love them. I do not have the right to marry a friend of the same sex, even if I love them.

Whatever else happens, I urge you to drop this type of claim.

It is fallacious, outrageous, and in my opinion, evil to its core, because it is meant to dehumanize others.

 

[Garyzenuf]

Show me where He speaks of homosexual activity as being moral or okay or not a sin.

I thought we covered this a hundred posts ago?

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[ChaliceThunder]

Show me where He speaks of homosexual activity as being moral or okay or not a sin.

He does not speak of homosexual monogamous relationships AT ALL.

 

[morningstar2651]

I thought they wanted to get married because of their "love" for each other, not for insurance.

Do you plan on getting married, and if so, for what reason?

Love?

What if your right to marry your beloved was taken away by my actions, but my right wasn't. How would you feel about that?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

 

[Nihilismus]

I did not make the claim that the Bible gives me rights to deny someone of a right.

So, WHERE am I in error? WHERE in the Bible does it say homosexuality is okay?

Contradicting yourself in a single post...that's progress.

 

[angellica]

And with that marriage comes benefits, you get them so should everyone else.

The benefits are based on the fact that heterosexual couples can, in general, procreate without outside assistance. Homosexuals can NEVER procreate on their own. Then why not ban marriages where they don't have kids, you ask. Because that would be too hard to weed out all those marriages. The fact remains that homosexual couples can't reproduce. That's the foundation of the family, marriage, the benefits for a family.

 

[angellica]

Contradicting yourself in a single post...that's progress.

I never said the Bible gave me LEGAL rights to deny someone a right, and I am asking where in the Bible it says homosexuality is okay. Where?

 

[WatersMoon110]

The benefits are based on the fact that heterosexual couples can, in general, procreate without outside assistance. Homosexuals can NEVER procreate on their own. Then why not ban marriages where they don't have kids, you ask. Because that would be too hard to weed out all those marriages. The fact remains that homosexual couples can't reproduce. That's the foundation of the family, marriage, the benefits for a family.

No. The legal benefits given to parents are separate from the legal benefits given to married couples.

 

[angellica]

Do you plan on getting married, and if so, for what reason?

No.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

The benefits are based on the fact that heterosexual couples can, in general, procreate without outside assistance. Homosexuals can NEVER procreate on their own. Then why not ban marriages where they don't have kids, you ask. Because that would be too hard to weed out all those marriages. The fact remains that homosexual couples can't reproduce. That's the foundation of the family, marriage, the benefits for a family.

It's all about new recruits. Recruiting, recruitment.

An Agenda at work.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

The benefits are based on the fact that heterosexual couples can, in general, procreate without outside assistance. Homosexuals can NEVER procreate on their own. Then why not ban marriages where they don't have kids, you ask. Because that would be too hard to weed out all those marriages. The fact remains that homosexual couples can't reproduce. That's the foundation of the family, marriage, the benefits for a family.

Actually in many states the benefits are there whether the kids are or not and yes homosexuals can procreate or adopt just as anyone else can unless of course you are like me and really are not very fond of kids and have no desire to have any, heck I do not even like going to my friends houses that have kids.

 

[Nihilismus]

I never said the Bible gave me LEGAL rights to deny someone a right, and I am asking where in the Bible it says homosexuality is okay. Where?

Why should it matter what the Bible says?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

It's all about new recruits. Recruiting, recruitment.

An Agenda at work.

If you call wanting equal rights an agenda.

 

[angellica]

He does not speak of homosexual monogamous relationships AT ALL.

And yet He does speak of heterosexual relationships, giving guidelines and such. Why does He not speak of homosexual relationships except when He condemns that behaviour?

 

[angellica]

Why should it matter what the Bible says?

Someone claimed I was in error when I said God does not anywhere in the Bible condone homosexuality, so I am asking where.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

And yet He does speak of heterosexual relationships, giving guidelines and such. Why does He not speak of homosexual relationships except when He condemns that behaviour?

The passages used to deny gay people of their rights are not remotely clear yet you act as if they are in fact law.

 

[angellica]

The passages used to deny gay people of their rights are not remotely clear yet you act as if they are in fact law.

You have yet to show me where He condones homosexuality at all, so I will assume that He does not because I have never seen anything like that in the Bible and you fail to show me where.

 

[Nihilismus]

You are using the Bible as a basis to deny someone rights. That is contrary to your country's constitution.