Pope: Saving world from homosexuality like saving rainforests

[mpok1519]

God is Morgan Freemom, duh! lol

 

[Garyzenuf]

God is Morgan Freemom, duh! lol

Hmmm....God seems shorter, and darker, in person.

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[bsd13]

Great! Then you'll have no problem answering my detailed questions.

Here they are again -

Sure...

By "living", do you mean god is an organism made up of organic materials? Is god carbon-based? Does god have physical dimensions? If so, what are they?

God is both organic and Spirit.

John 4:24 - "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

Colossians 1:19 - "For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him (Christ)"

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 - "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."

By "walking", do you mean that god needs to travel from place to place? What is god's average stride? How long does it take god to walk from Los Angeles to New York?

God has no inherent limitations. That would defeat the purpose of Godhood. He however can and has self-imposed limitation on His physical being when He came as Christ.

Let's do some math for how long it would take God, as the physical pre resurrection Christ to travel from NY to LA.

Figure approximately 3.5 miles per hour (assuming walking at a normal steady clip) for 10 hours per day. That gets us 30.5 miles. Distance from NY to LA is 2,791 miles (google maps). 2,791/30.5 = 91.51 (rounded) days to make the trip. Of course this doesn't account for conditions on the journey (weather, hiking up hills, etc)

By "talking", do you mean god physically has lungs, a mouth, a tongue, teeth and vocal cords? Can god talk in deep space where there is no air?

As the Christ yes He has physical parts that allow Him to talk. As Spirit God is not effected by time or space. Has no need of air.

 

[b&wpac4]

I said the New Testament is written for Christians, because if I said the entire Bible I know some Jewish people that would take exception to, in a way, suggesting the Old Testament isn't theirs.

My point is you can't legislate morality as a secular nation. Even in the Bible there's only been one established theocracy created by God, and that's Israel. The fact that the US doesn't recognize one religion as being correct does mean we can't make laws based on one religion. We are supposed to provide freedom to people.

I'd also point out to you that lying is not against the law unless under oath. Having a different God is not against the law, nor having idols. You don't try to create laws that would outlaw these things.

Why do you stand so firm on THIS, and not the others? I have never received an answer to this question and, honestly, I'm not sure I ever will.

Could you please answer this?

 

[TheBear]

Sure...

God is both organic and Spirit.

Explain that in your own words, not by using the blind and uncritical veneration of scripture. What is god's organic makeup? What's god's approximate weight? What does god eat? Is god restricted by gravity? How tall is god?

God has no inherent limitations.

You talking about the spirit god, the living organism god, or both?

Let's do some math for how long it would take God, as the physical pre resurrection Christ to travel from NY to LA.

Before we do some math, does the spirit god have dimension, or does it fill the entire universe and beyond? If spirit god does have dimension, what is it? If spirit god does not have dimension, how can Jesus be sitting on the right hand of spirit god?

As the Christ yes He has physical parts that allow Him to talk.

So, Jesus physically speaks today? (Keep in mind, I don't want us conflating the historical Jesus figure, with right now as we read this thread.)

 

[TheBear]

For the rest who are following along, I want to point out two things.

1 - Blind and uncritical veneration of scripture is what the Pope is basing his position on.

2 - Anyone who claims "absolute certainty" of the unknowable, needs to be taken to task immediately, and have that delusion smashed before they become a danger to society.

 

[bsd13]

Could you please answer this?

We don't try to create secular laws that deal with lying because no one demands the "right" to be allow to lie. You don't see mass protests of people insisting that they have a right to lie (or cheat, or steal...) but you see protests of people saying they have a right to marry whomever they darn well please.

Start a protest demanding the right to lie and you'll find Christians will stand against it.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

We don't try to create secular laws that deal with lying because no one demands the "right" to be allow to lie. You don't see mass protests of people insisting that they have a right to lie (or cheat, or steal...) but you see protests of people saying they have a right to marry whomever they darn well please.

Start a protest demanding the right to lie and you'll find Christians will stand against it.

And they should have the right to marry whomever they please. One of these days the US Supreme Court will affirm that right for the nation and you will not be happy I am sure.

 

[bsd13]

Explain that in your own words, not by using the blind and uncritical veneration of scripture. What is god's organic makeup? What's god's approximate weight? What does god eat? Is god restricted by gravity? How tall is god?

You talking about the spirit god, the living organism god, or both?


Before we do some math, does the spirit god have dimension, or does it fill the entire universe and beyond? If spirit god does have dimension, what is it? If spirit god does not have dimension, how can Jesus be sitting on the right hand of spirit god?


So, Jesus physically speaks today? (Keep in mind, I don't want us conflating the historical Jesus figure, with right now as we read this thread.)

Why should I keep chasing your circular reasoning?

You can't define God, nor put Him in a little box that you can comprehend. He's beyond that. Limitless, unimaginable. Our little scientific instruments are not capable of measuring the Almighty. The only exception to that was when He chose to dwell among His creation as a human being. Then we can measure His human qualities, but certainly not His godly ones.

Here's another mystery for you - When God became flesh, He still remained spirit.

 

[bsd13]

And they should have the right to marry whomever they please. One of these days the US Supreme Court will affirm that right for the nation and you will not be happy I am sure.

Your reply doesn't address what I said. So what are you on about, or did you just want to throw that opinion in there?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Your reply doesn't address what I said. So what are you on about, or did you just want to throw that opinion in there?

Pointing out that every time Christians decide to protest something they do not like they end up on the losing side. This is a secular nation so you do not get to use the bible to control a minority.

 

[Aianna]

We don't try to create secular laws that deal with lying because no one demands the "right" to be allow to lie. You don't see mass protests of people insisting that they have a right to lie (or cheat, or steal...) but you see protests of people saying they have a right to marry whomever they darn well please.

Start a protest demanding the right to lie and you'll find Christians will stand against it.

Last I checked lying wasn't illegal outside of special circumstances and in those circumstances the restrictions are the same across the board. The point seems to be that nobody seems Christians campaigning to outlaw lying or to remove the tax exempt status of "false" religions.

Yet when homosexual marriage was legal in California many (certainly not all; I know that many Christians do not oppose gay rights) Christian groups went crazy and poured millions of dollars into pushing a bigoted proposition to take away those rights.

The point is, why does homosexuality seem to be made out as a "worse sin" than being the wrong religion or the like?

 

[TheBear]

Why should I keep chasing your circular reasoning?

Mine is the circular reasoning?

You made the claim that you know, with absolute certainty. I merely took you to task by asking some follow-up questions.

You can't define God, nor put Him in a little box that you can comprehend. He's beyond that. Limitless, unimaginable.

So, you're claiming you're absolutely certain of something which is unimaginable, incomprehensible and unknowable. Who's really the one using circular logic? Come on, now. Be honest.

 

[Garyzenuf]

The point is, why does homosexuality seem to be made out as a "worse sin" than being the wrong religion or the like?

Many (not all), straight Christians feel comfortable railing against homosexuality because it doesn't impose on their own rights in the least to do so.

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[bsd13]

Mine is the circular reasoning?

You made the claim that you know, with absolute certainty. I merely took you to task by asking some follow-up questions.

And I answered them. But you want to continue to ask them because you aren't getting the answer you want to hear. Notice I said "you want to hear" not "you expect to hear"

So, you're claiming you're absolutely certain of something which is unimaginable, incomprehensible and unknowable. Who's really the one using circular logic? Come on, now. Be honest.

I'm absolutely certain of the existence of God. As to how one defines Him so that you and other non-believers can comprehend of Him I have no idea. The very concept of God, of an Almighty King whom we all answer to wars against your very understanding of reality. How can I make you understand such a thing? I can't. So why bother trying? What would be the point?

Fact is no matter what I say, or evidence I present it will never be enough to overcome the human ego. God alone can do that.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Your icon or the Bible?

Oh wait, you're angelican. That would explain your position on doctrine.

I am Beloved of God - doctrine from any institution is secondary to espousal with God.

 

[bsd13]

I am Beloved of God - doctrine from any institution is secondary to espousal with God.

I'll grant you it is secondary, but what of when it is directly contrary to what the Word of God says? Or is the Word out of date?

 

[SiderealExalt]

The beauty of it is that it is entirely within your right to have that opinion. You'll one day die and have to answer for it, but you still have the right to it.

Dead people are surprisingly mum on answering to things. I hear on good authority that this is because one is dead and the dead are notoriously lazy.Regardless, I would hold my tongue on trying to talk for your Deity. It is a jealous entity and warns of simple men attempting to talk for it unjustly.

God (singular, there is only one) draws the lines of morality. At least the only lines that matter.

It seems to not have sunk in on you yet I see.

 

[TheBear]

And I answered them. But you want to continue to ask them because you aren't getting the answer you want to hear. Notice I said "you want to hear" not "you expect to hear"



I'm absolutely certain of the existence of God. As to how one defines Him so that you and other non-believers can comprehend of Him I have no idea. The very concept of God, of an Almighty King whom we all answer to wars against your very understanding of reality. How can I make you understand such a thing? I can't. So why bother trying? What would be the point?

Fact is no matter what I say, or evidence I present it will never be enough to overcome the human ego. God alone can do that.

By definition, nothing incomprehensible and unimaginable can be known with absolute certainty. To state otherwise is a contradiction in terms. The best you can muster is strong belief. And just so you know - strong belief does not equate to epistemological knowledge.

 

[Garyzenuf]

Fact is no matter what I say, or evidence I present it will never be enough to overcome the human ego.

You've coughed up no evidence to speak of bsd, seems to only be your opinions on Christianity that are forth coming.

The word I've highlighted should be intelligence, not ego. IMO.

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