Poll shows Republicans think Trump is a "man of faith," more than other Republicans

[returntosender]

In the words of Chris Hedges, "Democrats have become Republicans... and Republicans have gone insane".

The US has had a decided rightward shift in its politics ever since the 1970's or 1980's, and that hasn't really changed. As close as we got to a genuine leftist being president was Bernie Sanders, but he was largely found politically unacceptable and rejected by the Democratic Party's base.

Get off the box.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you have the same opinion of Democrat Senator Raphael Warnock?

Yes.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

In the words of Chris Hedges, "Democrats have become Republicans... and Republicans have gone insane".

The US has had a decided rightward shift in its politics ever since the 1970's or 1980's, and that hasn't really changed. As close as we got to a genuine leftist being president was Bernie Sanders, but he was largely found politically unacceptable and rejected by the Democratic Party's base.

On certain economic issues, immigration, and military policy, there's some accuracy to that quote.

However, the waters are muddied by the fact that the quote isn't all that accurate with regards to many of the social issues.

For instance, with regards to criminal justice reform, drug legalization, LGBT issues, and abortion... "Democrats have become Republicans" isn't accurate it all...as Democrats certainly haven't moved right on any of those issues.

 

[FireDragon76]

On certain economic issues, immigration, and military policy, there's some accuracy to that quote.

However, the waters are muddied by the fact that the quote isn't all that accurate with regards to many of the social issues.

For instance, with regards to criminal justice reform, drug legalization, LGBT issues, and abortion... "Democrats have become Republicans" isn't accurate it all...as Democrats certainly haven't moved right on any of those issues.

Republicans used to be a predominantly pro-choice party decades ago. Ronald Reagan, as mayor of California, signed a bill legalising abortion in that state well before Roe vs. Wade.

The pro-LGBT politics of the Democratic Party more or less tracks national sentiments. It's the Republicans that are largely out of step.

 

[Halbhh]

"More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, putting him ahead of more vocally religious figures like his former vice president, Mike Pence, according to a new national poll conducted by HarrisX for the Deseret News.

That's very dramatic confirmation that most Americans (and most Republicans just like most of any other political group) do not know God in that they do not know what Christ taught in much extent.

One way some could have been misled to think Trump has faith (even though we learn from Christ's teaching that faith bears good fruits....) is that their pastors don't really know much of what Christ taught, the the congregants simply relied on these pastors to know what to teach.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Republicans used to be a predominantly pro-choice party decades ago. Ronald Reagan, as mayor of California, signed a bill legalising abortion in that state well before Roe vs. Wade.

The pro-LGBT politics of the Democratic Party more or less tracks national sentiments. It's the Republicans that are largely out of step.

I would suggest that it's more accurate to say that both parties were the parties of "safe legal and rare"

The Democrats stuck with that consensus-accepted sentiment until the late 1990's

The Republicans cranked the wheel to the right in the 1980's
The Democrats cranked the wheel to the left in the 2010's.

Which explains where we're at now on that issue.

Pre "Jerry Falwell/Moral Majority/Religious Right" (whatever you want to call it)... a plurality were on board with safe legal and rare.

Fast forward to present day, we have "Women and their doctors should go to prison if they get an abortion" vs. "Shout your abortion, it's just a clump of cells, it should be on-demand, for any reason at all, and taxpayer funded"


On the LGBTQ+ issues, I always point out that the conversations around the "LGB" are different than the ones around the "TQ+", so they shouldn't be described as a monolith, and while there's national sentiments that seem to be in agreement on things like gay rights, gay marriage, employment and housing discrimination protections, etc... (you're more likely to find a pro-SSM republican in 2024 than you were to find a pro-SSM democrat in the 90s)... it's not the same with regards to "should this biological male be in the bathroom with my wife/daughter" and "should people have to attend a pronoun lecture" and "should we be letting 15 year olds start a gender transition process", but tribalism has muddied the waters on that one because there's no way to employ nuance without people accusing them of being "anti-LGBT".

I'd go as far as saying that referring to children's gender clinics as "life saving care" (as many prominent democrats do) doesn't reflect national sentiments, even among democrats. The only sentiments it reflects are that of activists, and the democrats who are afraid of being labelled "bigot" so go along with it to keep their social life intact.

Being a democrat who says "I'm not crazy about this youth transitioning stuff" is the equivalent of a republican saying "I'm not crazy about people owning AR-15s", it'll quicky get you ostracized from your social circles.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

"More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, putting him ahead of more vocally religious figures like his former vice president, Mike Pence, according to a new national poll conducted by HarrisX for the Deseret News.

"Registered voters were asked whether they considered a list of political figures people of faith. Trump rose to the top of the list for Republicans, while President Joe Biden topped the list for Democrats. Among independents, Sen. Mitt Romney was most likely to be chosen as a person of faith." link

Trump is not a man of faith. But he is more friendly towards the interests of people of genuine people of faith more than any other politician. So it's easy to see why average people are confused.

 

[returntosender]

I wonder if he'll have the same VP?

 

[FireDragon76]

Trump is not a man of faith. But he is more friendly towards the interests of people of genuine people of faith more than any other politician. So it's easy to see why average people are confused.

Trump isn't friendly to faith at all. He's a grifter and a conman.

 

[Halbhh]

I wonder if he'll have the same VP?

No, Pence is too Christian acting it seems to fit well in Trump's way of being president.

Everyone who has worked with Trump up close except for his own children has left disillusioned, realizing Trump didn't have basic things they expected or needed in a president like any principles or competence or loyalty even.

 

[returntosender]

Maybe we should have a thread with our best guesses on who it will be, like his current running mate would be my choice. She's strong, maybe stronger than him

 

[Arcangl86]

I wonder if he'll have the same VP?

No. Pence turned on him and he won't forgive that.

 

[Halbhh]

No. Pence turned on him and he won't forgive that.

Pence seems to be a Christian believer.

And Pence obeyed the principles of doing what he understood to be best/right for the nation instead of just best for Trump -- so he kept his promise (he made when taking office) to defend the Constitution/protect the nation in the long run.

Faced with that choice (where already many audits had happened and no fraud was found), Pence therefore followed the actual intent of the Constitution, instead of bending/distorting the stated intent of the Constitutional transfer of power.

And since then additional forensic examinations by Republicans (like in Arizona for example, the detailed lengthy review paid for by Arizona) showed there was little or no fraud, and Trump's claims were just made up accusations without any basis.

We now all know Trump lost the election as a total certainty now (if we pay attention to all the detailed audits and examinations that Republicans did).

Pence refused to just give Trump continued power against the Constitution.

Pence chose America over Trump.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Trump is not a man of faith. But he is more friendly towards the interests of people of genuine people of faith more than any other politician. So it's easy to see why average people are confused.

I can see why you'd say that when comparing him to most Democrats, but more than "any other politician"? Really? Why would you think that Trump, who is not remotely a "genuine person of faith", would be more friendly towards them than any of the myriad politicians who are devoutly religious? How is Trump more friendly towards them than, say, Mitt Romney or Mike Johnson, who's a young earth creationist, a former ADF lawyer and former member of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Mike Johnson, who's a young earth creationist, a former ADF lawyer and former member of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission?

Wow, when you see it laid out like that it looks really bad. (It would seem the SBC Ethics commision failed given recent legal events.)

 

[returntosender]

I meant the gal running against him now.

 

[DaisyDay]

I wonder if he'll have the same VP?

No, Trump proclaimed him “too honest”.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I can see why you'd say that when comparing him to most Democrats, but more than "any other politician"? Really? Why would you think that Trump, who is not remotely a "genuine person of faith", would be more friendly towards them than any of the myriad politicians who are devoutly religious? How is Trump more friendly towards them than, say, Mitt Romney or Mike Johnson, who's a young earth creationist, a former ADF lawyer and former member of the SBC's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission?

Because unlike establishment politicians who can safely ignore the religious right (Mitt Romney was never going to be as succesful as Trump was in getting rid of Roe) Trump needs the religious right as a base of support.

Trump being outside of the establishment of the right and left means he is less likely to cave to the pressures within the system to keep religion at arms length. Thus he has to please his coalition being more friendly to them.

Do you honestly believe Rinos and Neocons want to enact policy based on religious principles?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Because unlike establishment politicians who can safely ignore the religious right (Mitt Romney was never going to be as succesful as Trump was in getting rid of Roe) Trump needs the religious right as a base of support.

That isn’t true. Every republican at the national level needs the religious right; they’re a huge voting bloc.

How would Romney not have been any less successful at getting rid of Roe? All Trump did was nominate the people at the top of the list given to him by the Federalist Society. Any Republican with a pulse could have done that.

Do you honestly believe Rinos and Neocons want to enact policy based on religious principles?

I wasn’t asking about a comparison to non-religious Republicans. I asked why Trump is perceived as more friendly towards Christians than the actual Christians in office (of whom there are many).

TBH, it kinds of feels like you guys don’t understand who’s in your own party.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

That isn’t true. Every republican at the national level needs the religious right; they’re a huge voting bloc.

How would Romney not have been any less successful at getting rid of Roe? All Trump did was nominate the people at the top of the list given to him by the Federalist Society. Any Republican with a pulse could have done that.

I wasn’t asking about a comparison to non-religious Republicans. I asked why Trump is perceived as more friendly towards Christians than the actual Christians in office (of whom there are many).

TBH, it kinds of feels like you guys don’t understand who’s in your own party.

How would Romney have actually delivered what Trump did? He's establishment and the establishment right does not like the religious right mainly because it conflicts with their liberal preferences.

As for why he is liked vs the establishment. It's probably because Trump is more relatable and many on the religious right don't believe he has contempt for then like the Establisment right and left in DC do.