Pleroma

[Andrewn]

The concept of the pleroma / fulness dwelling in the Lord Jesus Christ is an essential proof of his deity:

Col 1:19 For in him all the pleroma of God was pleased to dwell,


Col 2:9 For in him the whole pleroma of deity dwells bodily,


But we read that it also dwells in believers:

Eph 1:22 And he has put all things under his feet and has made him the head over all things for the church, 23 which is his body, the pleroma of him who fills all in all.

Eph 3:19 and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the pleroma of God.

Eph 4:12 to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the pleroma of Christ,


How do these statements distinguish the pleroma in Christ?

 

[ArmyMatt]

with Christ it’s a union of natures in His Person, with us it’s transfiguration by grace

 

[Andrewn]

with Christ it’s a union of natures in His Person, with us it’s transfiguration by grace

Yes, but is this only a theological statement or there is something in the sentence itself to support it?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Yes, but is this only a theological statement or there is something in the sentence itself to support it?

what do you mean?

 

[Andrewn]

what do you mean?

I've been reading about this and it seems the issue boils down to the difference between:

Eph 3:19 ἵνα πληρωθῆτε εἰς πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τοῦ θεοῦ.

Col 2:9 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆςθεότητος σωματικῶς.


Apparently, only the expression in Col 2:9 indicates that "with Christ it’s a union of natures in His Person," as you mentioned. Why?

 

[ArmyMatt]

Apparently, only the expression in Col 2:9 indicates that "with Christ it’s a union of natures in His Person," as you mentioned. Why?

there’s also John 1:14.

but I guess why would that matter? was the point of the Bible to clearly (by modern standards) hash out all Christian theology?