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[A Sheep]

And Evolution isn't science. Sorry...

Taken from Merriam Webster:
Religion: "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" that is Atheism, thank you very much.

Dictionary.com:
Religion:
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

The "spiritual leader" talked about in #3 is obviously a scientist or politician or "science" teacher.

 

[TheBear]

For the record, liberal Senators Daschel, Byrd and other liberal congressmen, have made scathing remarks against today's 9th circuit court ruling.

 

John

 

 

[Sauron]

Originally posted by A Sheep
And Evolution isn't science. Sorry...

Uh, yes it is.  Sorry for you.

Taken from Merriam Webster:
Religion: "a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" that is Atheism, thank you very much.

Wow, how silly.  You've taken the second definition from the dictionary, not the first one. You're trying to substitute the literary or exaggerated definition for the legal and primary one.

If someone said, "I'm on a crusade to get finish painting my house by Sunday night", would you assume that they were on a religious military campaign that involved painting?  Of course not.  You would know that it was an exaggeration, that the person merely wanted to say that they were absolutely bound and determined to finish painting.

In just the same manner, the context of the 2nd definition of religion (the one you mis-used above) is "religion" in the sense of "the religion of Nebraska football" or the "religion of wise spending".  It's a belief that someone holds very strongly.

It's religion in the literary or exaggerated sense.  But it is not religion, in the legal sense.

 

[A Sheep]

It's in Mirriam Webster as the definition for religion so I'll use it, and it does not say that the 2nd one is to be used in your created context. This is all semantics anyway, and you know that. atheism is a religion just like buddhism, etc. your deity just happens to be nature.

 

[TheBear]

Belief in God is not 'Religion' in the legal sense.

The Constitution makes it clear that no religion is to get favored status over the other religions. Basically, that the government shall not establish a religion. Period.

I think it quite amuzing that the same people who want to shove 'alternative lifestyles' down our throats, who becry "FREEDOM OF SPEACH!!!!", don't really want it to apply here.

And, the double standards just keep on coming.

 

John

 

 

 

[Not Prince Hamlet]

Originally posted by Project 86
Well my school for one did. Handing out condoms and telling people how it is naturally healthy and never bring up the concern about marriage. Sure if that isn't promoting it what would be? Do they need to say YOU SHOULD HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE until you would agree that they do?

Yes, actually, or something very close to it.

I don't like the idea of handing out condoms, but I like the alternatives even less. Studies have shown that stressing abstinence doesn't work. Kids are having sex these days whether we like it or not. The least we can do is try to ensure it's safe.

Personally, I'm in favor of pre-marital sex. I'm not in favor of kids that age doing it. But I don't feel that it's the position of our schools to tell them what's right.

  Jeff

 

 

[Not Prince Hamlet]

Originally posted by Project 86
"Be specific: do you mean legally wrong or morally wrong? "

Should be both.

ROFL!

You've just said a very interesting thing, and I'll bet you don't realize it.

  Jeff

 

 

[Not Prince Hamlet]

Originally posted by A Sheep
Then why does the government force the religion of evolutionism on all kids in school?

Evolution is not a religion, and frankly, it's getting boring hearing theists say that.

Evolution is a theory, a scientific study that has enormous (but not completely conclusive) evidence behind it, just like Newton's theories and Einstein's theories.

Are you now advocating that we don't teach any science whatsoever? Or just the ones that don't conflict with your personal worldview?

    Jeff

 

 

 

[Starscream]

ROFL!

You've just said a very interesting thing, and I'll bet you don't realize it.

LOL!  Yeah I noticed that too!  It pays to slow down and think about what you're saying before you hit the "Submit Reply" button.

BTW, this is great news in regards to the court decsion made today.  Although, I do think it will be successfully appealed (there's just too many ticked off Christians!).

 

 

[TheBear]

Evolution is no more a religion, than is indoor plumbing.

 

 

[Not Prince Hamlet]

Originally posted by TheBear
 

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TheBear,

&nbsp;What is religion-specific about it? It refers to the God of the Abrahamic followers, and excludes Shamanists, Buddhists, Shintoists, Wiccans, Satanists, agnostics, and atheists, to name just a few.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

It does? Where does it say all that,&nbsp;in the two words, 'under God'?

By&nbsp;implying that the Abrahamic God is real. This flies in the face of the beliefs of all those other people.

Jeeze, you mean you really don't see that?

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Hey buddy, I noticed the American flag next to your username. If you are an&nbsp;American, it is your Supreme Court, as well. And, exactly who on the Supreme Court is Christian?

After the Supreme Court essentially declared Bush to be the President, I'm not so sure, I'm afraid. I mean, yes, I'm stuck with them, and yes, their judgements will affect me, but it's hard&nbsp;for me to&nbsp;feel like they truly represent this country's laws.

This is moot, of course, because there's extremely little I can do about it.

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Once more, exactly where do the words, "under God", give favored status to any specific religion. I'm a little slow on this one, so please help me out.&nbsp;

Yes, you do seem a little slow on this point.

How would you feel&nbsp;if we changed it to "One nation under Buddha"?

("Oh, I'd feel just great about it! Sure thing. I'm all for equality of religions, you understand!")

&nbsp;&nbsp; Jeff

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[Not Prince Hamlet]

Boy, the formatting in THAT post was all messed up! Sorry about that!

&nbsp; Jeff

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[Not Prince Hamlet]

BTW, as an atheist associate of mine once put it: Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.

 

[gwyyn]

I don't think it's just ticked off christians on this issues I think there's just ticked off AMERICANS tooo


Wonder what our boys over seas are thinking about this.

 

[the worthy one]

Originally posted by Not Prince Hamlet
BTW, as an atheist associate of mine once put it: Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby.

But you don't intentionally call yourself an astamp collector.

 

[TheBear]

First of all, you can stop with the flaming sarcasm and personal attacks.

You have yet to show how your&nbsp;statement that anytime the word "God" is used, it is a reference to the Abrahamic God.

Please indulge me. Also, explain how this squares with "Freedom of Speach".

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Thanks,

John

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[Annabel Lee]

Originally posted by TheBear
Evolution is no more a religion, than is indoor plumbing.

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Blessings to my fellow non-Creationist Christian!

 

[Starscream]

I don't think it's just ticked off christians on this issues I think there's just ticked off AMERICANS tooo

Well, ticked off Christian-Americans.&nbsp; I doubt you'll find many non-Chrisitans upset over this.

Wonder what our boys over seas are thinking about this.

No doubt some of the boys and girls who fight for or freedom are joyed.

 

[TheBear]

If belief in a God is a religion, what religion is it?

 

[TheBear]

Originally posted by Annabel Lee

Blessings to my fellow non-Creationist Christian!

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LOL!!! I do believe that God created everything, just not the way some believe.