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PLEASE! lets settle the issue,the final demon thread!

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Nothing is taught on the net or from the pulpit, so where did you get that from. I think my dear brother you are very narrow-minded and only hone in onto any comment that makes your day, but you completely ignore any honest comments of sensibility that has much commonsense and reasoning.

Sad my dear brother that you are like that, and my spirit grieves for you.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
Actually you are incorrect.

Your tunnel vision,narrowmindedness, has kept you from seeing all..:cool:

It is being taught here..

Go to the sf section.

The "support for the oppressed thread"

Read post 87 on page 9.

Then it was quoted in post 89.

PS..for your own spiiritual well being,and health..

GET YOUR EYES ON JESUS,NOT THE DEVIL.:thumbsup::)
 
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Christ Jesus was also in and with Joshua.

And Joshua also was baptized in the cloud and in the water (the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus).

Joshua was a spiritual type of Jesus Christ in the land.

And still in the Promised Land there were enemies on ground that needed to be removed.

We've got God's Word on that. Paul also bears out that he had a demon to buffet him so that

he wouldn't get into pride when it comes to his God given Revelations.

That's why we too can ~rest~ with God even while demons rage against us. For our wrestle

is not against people but demons who are Trespasser's needing to be dispossessed, little by little

as God leads.

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Matt 3:6
Acts 19:5
1 Cor 1:13
1 Cor 12:13
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8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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Cassidy, when you read the scripture about the armor of God, that talks about the "fiery darts of the wicked one" (which we use the Shield of Faith to stop), what comes to your mind? Meaning, what's the first thing that pops in your head about what these "fiery darts" refer to?

Just curious about how you read that verse. Oh and just so you know I don't go for all this organ-transplant, copper bracelet, dead ghosts floating around bodysnatching type stuff either, but I do think it rather disingenuous to judge an entire POV (in this case, that Christians can end up demonized like anyone else) by those least equipped to represent it accurately. (I would recommend reading someone like John O. or Father Rick to get a more sane and balanced take with regard to the viewpoint of how a Christian can be demonised.) It strikes me as kind of like shooting random young civilian children in a war rather than facing down the opposition's armed and armored soldiers ... y'know? ;)
 
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You and I both know there is not a scripture that has the words "a Christian cannot be possessed".

Nor is there a scripture that says "a Christian can be possessed".

True.
There are no examples in the Bible where a born again Christian was possessed.

There are no examples in the Bible where a born again Christian was delivered from possession.

Debatable. Or rather, undebatable, because those who have already decided this to be the case would refute every example offered as possibly indicating this. I do, however, think a grave disservice has been done by whomever started the horribly damaging and superstitious lie being taught in many deliverance "ministries" today that Christians should not cast demons out of unbelievers because they will only end up worse off in the end. If we intend to count the man with a deaf & dumb spirit, the boy thrown into fire and water by an unclean spirit, the demoniacs in the synagogue disrupting services in Jesus' day, and the fellow known as "Legion" himself as all having been "unbelievers" then we have to openly admit that Jesus certainly did not hesitate to cast out their demons and heal their ailments whatsoever, and He bade us, "freely you have received, so freely give." (Matthew 10:8). Paul apparently did so as well, in the case of the oracular slave girl of Acts 16. In none of these cases did a confession of faith in Christ get extracted first, either ... nor come to think of it, later.

Scripture says that if God be for me who can be against me, he always causes me to triumph in Christ Jesus. no weapon formed against me will prosper.

But it does not state no one WILL be against you. It does not state no one will press war and strife in your face. It does not state that you will never be attacked, nor, frankly, that you will never be harmed or maimed in the process. It simply assures what we all know already: that ultimately Christ is victorious, will be victorious, and all our troubles will be brought to an end with ourselves whole, happy, healed and restored. Which might not be in this lifetime for some of us, but will indisputably be the full inheritance of the redeemed for eternity.

The scripture backing for "no possession" is strong and mighty.

Not really. A lot of this depends on how those verses get interpreted and applied, and a lot of THAT depends on attaching eternal promises to temporal circumstances. For the devil to SUCCEED in the ultimate sense, as in to triumph over Christ, he would have to be able, plying his full wares, to drag us to hell whether we will or no, and to do so in a manner that forces God's hand to be removed from us. The latter, we are promised by God, is simply impossible as He will never leave nor forsake us, no matter how we feel or what things look like. But Christians can and do face very dark trials and circumstances indeed in this world, from hatred by our supposed brethren to destitution and poverty to sickness and ailments and afflictions to disasters and misfortunes just like Job. These things touch us, impact us, cause us pain and suffering. Does that mean Satan triumphs? No. So why can we not understand demonization to be just another form of misfortune?? Why can we not simply put aside this superstitious fearful assignment of demonization exclusively to some realm indicative of God having forsaken us, and simply recognize that just as losing one's home to fire or getting canned from work or tossed onto the street or having a spouse demand divorce or a child turn on one in rebellion or cancer grow in one's guts or OCD overtake the mind does not mean God forsakes or abandons us, so also does it happen in cases where the affliction or misfortune is not those things, but being "invaded" by demons? Because truly, what the demonized person needs most in this world to hear and to know, would not be "I can prove by scripture that your situation does not really exist," but rather, "I can prove by scripture that in spite of what you are suffering -- which is most certainly every bit as real as cancer, destitution, or homelessness -- God has not abandoned you, has not forsaken you, even now, even in this thing, and has a plan for your life to give you hope and a future."

The scripture given for "yes possession" is mostly examples of people that were not Christians.
Were true believers in the one true God any less validly His at any other point in history? If so then someone needs to inform blessed Enoch, Elijah, David, Joshua, Moses, and others that they cannot have eternal life because they did not use the term "Christian" to describe their relationship to God nor have a complete understanding of the plan of salvation and the Messiah to come.

Or, a scripture in which "taken captive" does not translate possession.

What does Jesus mean, then, when He speaks of being the one anointed to set the captives free? What does it mean, exactly, to be taken captive by the devil to do his (Satan's) will, if not to some degree becoming controlled by Satan or whatever demons he employs to do his work in a person's life? Seriously, the "anti-" side of this debate is coming perilously close to sounding like those who argue that no enemy exists at all. And last I heard, that was a very dangerous position to take (but not one unfavorable to the devil's agenda, I'm told).

The position that a Christian can be possessed is a weak position that uses scripture that is not relevant.

I'm sorry but all scripture is relevant, and putting a spin on relevant scripture to make it appear irrelevant does not constitute establishing its irrelevance by any stretch of the imagination. One does not "win" an argument by pre-emptively claiming victory based entirely upon one's subjective presuppositions and the labor expended to assert them.
 
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Cassidy, when you read the scripture about the armor of God, that talks about the "fiery darts of the wicked one" (which we use the Shield of Faith to stop), what comes to your mind? Meaning, what's the first thing that pops in your head about what these "fiery darts" refer to?

Anything that is not of God.

Just curious about how you read that verse. Oh and just so you know I don't go for all this organ-transplant, copper bracelet, dead ghosts floating around bodysnatching type stuff either, but I do think it rather disingenuous to judge an entire POV (in this case, that Christians can end up demonized like anyone else) by those least equipped to represent it accurately. (I would recommend reading someone like John O. or Father Rick to get a more sane and balanced take with regard to the viewpoint of how a Christian can be demonised.) It strikes me as kind of like shooting random young civilian children in a war rather than facing down the opposition's armed and armored soldiers ... y'know? ;)

I define demonisation as something totally different than most. And Christians are not like anyone else. And I'd rather read the bible than other's interpretations of 'events' because there's more truth there.
 
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Cassidy, when you read the scripture about the armor of God, that talks about the "fiery darts of the wicked one" (which we use the Shield of Faith to stop), what comes to your mind? Meaning, what's the first thing that pops in your head about what these "fiery darts" refer to?

Just curious about how you read that verse. Oh and just so you know I don't go for all this organ-transplant, copper bracelet, dead ghosts floating around bodysnatching type stuff either, but I do think it rather disingenuous to judge an entire POV (in this case, that Christians can end up demonized like anyone else) by those least equipped to represent it accurately. (I would recommend reading someone like John O. or Father Rick to get a more sane and balanced take with regard to the viewpoint of how a Christian can be demonised.) It strikes me as kind of like shooting random young civilian children in a war rather than facing down the opposition's armed and armored soldiers ... y'know? ;)

That is why we have this..

  1. Ephesians 6:17
    Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
    Ephesians 6:16-18 (in Context) Ephesians 6 (Whole Chapter)
  2. 1 Thessalonians 5:8
    But since we belong to the day, let us be self-controlled, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet.
Also,warfare does not mean inhabitation.
 
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I think people are watching too many movies to be honest. Devils being transplanted? Are you seriou?? What will they think of next? Stay tuned for another episode where demons are transfered via saliva when someone sneezes!
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Christ Jesus was also in and with Joshua.

And Joshua also was baptized in the cloud and in the water (the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus).

Joshua was a spiritual type of Jesus Christ in the land.

And still in the Promised Land there were enemies on ground that needed to be removed.

We've got God's Word on that. Paul also bears out that he had a demon to buffet him so that

he wouldn't get into pride when it comes to his God given Revelations.

That's why we too can ~rest~ with God even while demons rage against us. For our wrestle

is not against people but demons who are Trespasser's needing to be dispossessed, little by little

as God leads.

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God is Israel's Saviour and they are also His Blood bought People, those whom God was pleased with.
Baptized in His Spirit and in Christ Jesus - there stories are for our learning, correction and reprove etc.:
Ex 13:21
Josh 4:14
Neh 9:19
Ps 78:13
Ps 105:39
Ezek 16:9
Matt 3:6
Acts 19:5
1 Cor 1:13
1 Cor 12:13
Heb 6:2


Rev 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
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:prayer:
fancy meeting you here..:):)

Warfare does not mean inhabitation.
 
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Nothing is taught on the net or from the pulpit, so where did you get that from. I think my dear brother you are very narrow-minded and only hone in onto any comment that makes your day, but you completely ignore any honest comments of sensibility that has much commonsense and reasoning.

Sad my dear brother that you are like that, and my spirit grieves for you.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
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Wisdom:

Here is an example of a demon transferring from one body to another through an organ transplant. Keep in mind that a demon 'cannot' enter your spirit. You are born again and are a new creature in Christ Jesus. But your body and soul are not recreated yet in His image yet.

The body will become glorified and your soul will be redeemed. I want you to see for yourself how demons transfer and relive their lives through us.

I know it is hard to swallow who demons really are, but read this article for yourself. Notice that in these transplants, that a persons characteristics are carried forward. It is because the demon is being transferred as the flesh in a transplant is kept alive, that they carry what they know and how they influenced the former human they lived in to the next person.

This is proof that demons dwell in our bodies and not our spirits.

I will be posting more information as I go along....and really do have much proof for what I know.

Blessings,

AOF
 
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Hi there fellow wrestler,:wave:
Hope all is well..
It is being taught here on the forum!

Go to the sf section.

The "support for the oppressed thread" that you have been on.

Check out page 9, post # 87.

Then it was quoted in post 89.

Take care friend.:)

I copied the post,and pasted it here.

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Wisdom:

Here is an example of a demon transferring from one body to another through an organ transplant. Keep in mind that a demon 'cannot' enter your spirit. You are born again and are a new creature in Christ Jesus. But your body and soul are not recreated yet in His image yet.

The body will become glorified and your soul will be redeemed. I want you to see for yourself how demons transfer and relive their lives through us.

I know it is hard to swallow who demons really are, but read this article for yourself. Notice that in these transplants, that a persons characteristics are carried forward. It is because the demon is being transferred as the flesh in a transplant is kept alive, that they carry what they know and how they influenced the former human they lived in to the next person.

This is proof that demons dwell in our bodies and not our spirits.

I will be posting more information as I go along....and really do have much proof for what I know.

Blessings,

AOF

If Jesus the Christ has set us free we are free indeed. It either is or it isn't true. If God owns us now, He would not allow His 'property' to be in-dwelled by the likes of a demon. They have no authority to be there. Where would they get the authority from? God?
 
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Actually you are incorrect.

Your tunnel vision,narrowmindedness, has kept you from seeing all..:cool:

It is being taught here..

Go to the sf section.

The "support for the oppressed thread"

Read post 87 on page 9.

Then it was quoted in post 89.

PS..for your own spiiritual well being,and health..

GET YOUR EYES ON JESUS,NOT THE DEVIL.:thumbsup::)

Mate, once again, you are judging and condemning, because my eyes are only focused on our Lord Jesus CHrist and those struggling CHristians who are not set free.

So what point are you trying to make, that all those good GOD-anointed men and women of God who are in the healing and deliverance ministry are NOT FOCUSING on our Lord Jesus Christ?

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
 
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There has been many medical articles and journal entries in regards to the character and attitude of implant patients changing drastically to the same character and attitude of the transplant donor. This is the article that was posted the other day on the net. It's very interesting that the medical fraternity noticed these changes, so what is this bizarr or paranormal incidents?

Can we really transplant a human soul?

By Dr DANNY PENMAN
Last updated at 19:06 09 April 2008


Transplant: What else is triggered when doctors undertake a donor operation?
The progress of medical science in the past 30 years has been so rapid that yesterday's miracles are tomorrow's commonplace procedures.

So it has proved with heart transplants, which have become almost routine in hospitals around the world.


Yet every once in a while a story emerges which should cause us all to sit up and take note that there is nothing "routine" or "commonplace" about such complex operations.

The suggestion, highlighted again this week, that donor patients could not only be acquiring the organs but also the memories - or even the soul - of the donor is surely one such story.

This bizarre possibility was raised by the inexplicable case of Sonny Graham - a seemingly happily married 69-year-old man living in the U.S. state of Georgia. He shot himself without warning, having shown no previous signs of unhappiness, let alone depression.

His friends described it as an act of passion, not of reason.

The case might have remained just an isolated tragedy were it not for the fact that Sonny had received a transplanted heart from a man who had also shot himself - in identical circumstances.

To make things even more intriguing, shortly after receiving the heart transplant, Sonny tracked down the wife of the donor - and fell instantly in love with her.
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"When I first met her," Sonny told a local newspaper, "I just stared. I felt like I had known her for years. I couldn't keep my eyes off her."

He spoke of a deep and profound love for her. It was instant and it was passionate. The kind of love where overwhelming passion seizes control of the mind and banishes reason. They quickly wed.

The tragedy of Sonny Graham will, no doubt, be written off as mere coincidence. After all, there is surely no conceivable way that the memories, let alone the character of a donor, can be transplanted along with their heart.

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Heart transplant recipient Sonny Graham, pictured with wife Cheryl, commited suicide in the same way as her previous husband - whose heart Sonny received
Virtually every doctor and scientist will tell you the heart is a mere pump. The seat of our mind, our consciousness, our very soul - if such a thing exists - lies in the brain.
The heart's only control over our mind is whether or not it sends it blood. Ever since William Harvey unravelled the mysteries of the heart and circulatory system centuries ago, this fact has remained beyond doubt.
Well, almost beyond doubt.
For a few brave scientists have started claiming that our memories and characters are encoded not just in our brain, but throughout our entire body.
Consciousness, they claim, is created by every living cell in the body acting in concert.
They argue, in effect, that our hearts, livers and every single organ in the body stores our memories, drives our emotions and imbues us with our own individual characters. Our whole body, they believe, is the seat of the soul; not just the brain.
And if any of these organs should be transplanted into another person, parts of these memories - perhaps even elements of the soul - might also be transferred.
There are now more than 70 documented cases similar to Sonny's, where transplant patients have taken on some of the personality traits of the organ donors.
Professor Gary Schwartz and his co-workers at the University of Arizona have documented numerous seemingly inexplicable experiences similar to Sonny's. And every single one is a direct challenge to the medical status quo.
In one celebrated case uncovered by Professor Schwartz's team, an 18-year-old boy who wrote poetry, played music and composed songs was killed in a car crash. A year after he died, his parents came across a tape of a song he had written, entitled, Danny, My Heart Is Yours.
In his haunting lyrics, the boy sang about how he felt destined to die and donate his heart. After his death, his heart was transplanted into an 18-year-old girl - named Danielle.
When the boy's parents met Danielle, they played some of his music and she, despite never having heard the song before, knew the words and was able to complete the lyrics.
Professor Schwartz also investigated the case of a 29-year-old lesbian fast-food junkie who received the heart of a 19-year-old vegetarian woman described as "man crazy".
After the transplant, she told her friends that meat now made her sick, and that she no longer found women attractive. If fact, shortly after the transplant she married a man.
In one equally inexplicable case, a middle-aged man developed a new-found love for classical music after a heart transplant.
It transpired that the 17-year-old donor had loved classical music and played the violin. He had died in a drive-by shooting, clutching a violin to his chest.
Nor are the effects of organ transplants restricted to hearts. Kidneys also seem to carry some of the characteristics of their original owners.
Take the case of Lynda Gammons from Weston, Lincolnshire, who donated one of her kidneys to her husband Ian.
Since the operation, Ian believes he has taken on aspects of his wife's personality. He has developed a love of baking, shopping, vacuuming and gardening. Prior to the transplant, he loathed all forms of housework with a vengeance.
He has also adopted a dog - yet before his operation he was an avowed "cat man", unlike his wife who favoured dogs.
It's easy to dismiss such tales as hokum. But the Chinese authorities are certainly taking them seriously.
They have recently taken an interest in Professor Schwartz's ideas and have begun a programme to monitor transplant patients. (As many "donated" organs in China come from executed political prisoners, a cynic might suggest that the authorities are worried about an "epidemic" of political thought spreading via organ transplants.)
Many scientists will, of course, point out that tens of thousands of organ transplants have now been carried out worldwide, so you would expect to come across a few bizarre cases like Sonny Graham's.
It is also hardly surprising that after a major life-threatening operation such as a heart transplant, a patient may undergo a profound alteration to their character. Who could remain unchanged after staring death in the face?
The powerful drugs required as part of organ transplant procedures can also cause major changes in behaviour. Put all these together and it's no wonder that some patients leave hospital with a drastically different outlook on life.
What is most surprising about these cases, though, is not that some transplant patients emerge as different people after an operation, but that the changes are so specific.
"It's a targeted personality change," says Professor Schwartz. "If this is the result of drugs, or stress, or coincidence, none of those would predict the specific patterns of information that would match the donor."
If Professor Schwartz and his ilk are right, it would destroy one of the foundation stones of modern biology. But then again, modern biology has a guilty little secret: it has, as yet, no viable theory to explain how we store memories and how we produce consciousness.
In fact, scientists haven't even managed to define what exactly consciousness is, let alone managed to pin down where it comes from and where it is to be found within the body.
So maybe, just maybe, the poets, romantics and mystics throughout the ages were right: the heart really is the seat of our emotions and of our souls.
And if we can transplant hearts, then perhaps it's not so fanciful to suggest that some part of the spirit goes with them. Who knows - one day doctors may even be able to offer a "character transplant".
 
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Wisdom:

Here is an example of a demon transferring from one body to another through an organ transplant. Keep in mind that a demon 'cannot' enter your spirit. You are born again and are a new creature in Christ Jesus. But your body and soul are not recreated yet in His image yet.

The body will become glorified and your soul will be redeemed. I want you to see for yourself how demons transfer and relive their lives through us.

I know it is hard to swallow who demons really are, but read this article for yourself. Notice that in these transplants, that a persons characteristics are carried forward. It is because the demon is being transferred as the flesh in a transplant is kept alive, that they carry what they know and how they influenced the former human they lived in to the next person.

This is proof that demons dwell in our bodies and not our spirits.

I will be posting more information as I go along....and really do have much proof for what I know.

Blessings,

AOF

So after reading that medical article, and there are many more, so what is your views on how come the implant person's nature, character, and attitude changes to those of the transplant donor.

So please explain what you think is the reason for this apparently bizarr and paranormal happening?

Once again your attack is directed toward one person, and I believe that your intent is not of one who claims to be a Child of God. I had already suggested to you to take it to that person via PM and don't use this forum for your personal outburst, which would be a normal thing of reality, decency and commonsense.

Your individual attack is causing many other unnecessary confrontations between others on this forum, as in the case of myself, who is trying to bring some level-headed thinking back instead of witnessing a personal attack toward another sister in Christ.

My spirit grieves for you!:)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
 
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So after reading that medical article, and there are many more, so what is your views on how come the implant person's nature, character, and attitude changes to those of the transplant donor.

So please explain what you think is the reason for this apparently bizarr and paranormal happening?

Once again your attack is directed toward one person, and I believe that your intent is not of one who claims to be a Child of God. I had already suggested to you to take it to that person via PM and don't use this forum for your personal outburst, which would be a normal thing of reality, decency and commonsense.

Your individual attack is causing many other unnecessary confrontations between others on this forum, as in the case of myself, who is trying to bring some level-headed thinking back instead of witnessing a personal attack toward another sister in Christ.

My spirit grieves for you!:)

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.
ya know bro...

you need to slow down,reread your posts directed at me..

and then read all mine,that are objective..

then you will see that it is actually YOU! who is personal!

Show some humility please...
 
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There has been many medical articles and journal entries in regards to the character and attitude of implant patients changing drastically to the same character and attitude of the transplant donor. This is the article that was posted the other day on the net. It's very interesting that the medical fraternity noticed these changes, so what is this bizarr or paranormal incidents?




Virtually every doctor and scientist will tell you the heart is a mere pump. The seat of our mind, our consciousness, our very soul - if such a thing exists - lies in the brain.
The heart's only control over our mind is whether or not it sends it blood. Ever since William Harvey unravelled the mysteries of the heart and circulatory system centuries ago, this fact has remained beyond doubt.
Well, almost beyond doubt.

So, The soul of man is in the brain!

The brain is a physical organ that dies at death just like the other body parts.

According to this scripture the soul is so closely connected to the spirit of man that dividing them is not a simple task.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

The soul is the emotion mind and will.

AT physical death the spirit and soul go to heaven or hell, to be joined back to the body at appointed times.

This demon stuff is getting ridiculous.

If the demons were able to do all that some say man would have no chance.
 
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So, The soul of man is in the brain!

The brain is a physical organ that dies at death just like the other body parts.

According to this scripture the soul is so closely connected to the spirit of man that dividing them is not a simple task.

Heb 4:12
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
KJV

The soul is the emotion mind and will.

AT physical death the spirit and soul go to heaven or hell, to be joined back to the body at appointed times.

This demon stuff is getting ridiculous.

If the demons were able to do all that some say man would have no chance.
well said...
It is starting to sound like spooky folklore..:D
 
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