PLEASE! lets settle the issue,the final demon thread!

[Elijah2]

Seems like alot of people on theses demon threads ,know more about the schemes of the devil,than who they are in Christ!

Because they have expereince the "wiles of the enemy" and know how he works, and through our Lord Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and the Spiritual Gifts of discerning of spirits, and healing they put their experiences in action in healing the broken-hearted, delivering them from evil, setting thec captives free, and casting our demons, like all good Saints do.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

Well I guess as the thread unfolds...

The reality is,there is no evidence in the bible of inhabitation,possession,or "entry"
For the spirit filled believer..
Warfare,flesh,yes,but that is it..

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[pinetree]

boy oh boy,,,,,on and on....

Same old thing.....

As I sit at my scritpural armchair,and read the posts...

I scratch my head...an wonder...

Why cant those that believe in this theory,at least show humility and say...

Your right brother pinetree,there is not a DROP of scritural evidence in the very bible we quote alot on other topics,that shows a spirit filled believer can be inhabited,entered,or possessed.

And yes brother pinetree,all the verses you posted,were the antithesis of that.

Then brother pinetree would reply...


Thats cool,you have the right to your experience,heck I have understand experience.

I kept my posts objective,and scriptural.

At least that would prove this belief is a free floating,unwritten doctrine,based on the out of control dliverance ministries playbook..

And is contrary to what the scriptures say about our stance in the kingdom of God.

 

[pinetree]

So true my dear brother and I think I commented on those Scriptures earlier on another thread. And we all know that Jude is talking about trying to keep our Lord's followers from being deceived and tripped up by false teachers, causing them to stumble while they race the run of endurance.

Our Lord does guard us in this life from all the pitfalls and dangers that deceivers put in our way, as HE is the only one who saves us, sets us free, cleanse us from our sins as those who minister to those struggling Christians who are presented to HIM "faultless", because we all know that HE is the Author and Perfector of our faith.

But, even though we are His saints and kept "blameless", which doesn't mean that we are "SINLESS".

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Actually,when you read Jude,and all the evils mentioned..

You would see that the verse I posted,is really quite appropriate after all.

There is another from Jude I will add..
Notice in the verse who keeps us from the obvious evil spirit people,that were infiltrating the church!

Jude1
, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:

So my dear brother,we see Jude opens ,and closes with good news for the believer!

Jude 24
To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—



Unlike the demon fear doctrine,those who know who they are,know this to be true.

Get your eyes on the Lord,not the enemy!

 

[Tobias]

boy oh boy,,,,,on and on....

Same old thing.....

As I sit at my scritpural armchair,and read the posts...

I scratch my head...an wonder...

Why cant those that believe in this theory,at least show humility and say...

Your right brother pinetree,there is not a DROP of scritural evidence in the very bible we quote alot on other topics,that shows a spirit filled believer can be inhabited,entered,or possessed.

You have been very clear that there is not a single scripture in the Bible, that you accept, that shows a spirit filled believer can be demonized. I was not aware of how little there is to say about this.

The problem I have with this however, is that your doctrine has limited just how much of the Bible you are willing to listen to! You seem to think that all God has to say on the subject is going to have to be found between Acts chapter 2 and Revelation ch. 3.

You claim that God has nothing to say in the Bible on the matter of Christians getting entangled with satan, yet have you considered the possibility that Jesus may have addressed the issue? And that you are simply blinded by your interpretation of Dispensational doctrine? Why would Jesus have taken the time to teach on demons, and show His disciples how to cast them out of good, godly, covenant keeping Jews; if none of this was going to apply to the jobs He was preparing them for?

Perhaps the Bible isn't as silent on this issue as you suppose. But then again, I could be wrong. Show me the verse that says that the things Jesus taught here on Earth don't apply anymore, because the Dispensation changed... or one that proves that Old Covenant people could be demonized while New Covenant people can't... or some such a thing.

Otherwise, we need to consider the fact that God does not change; and that if godly people used to be able to be taken over by demons, then there's nothing stopping them from doing so now.

 

[Elijah2]

Actually,when you read Jude,and all the evils mentioned..

You would see that the verse I posted,is really quite appropriate after all.

There is another from Jude I will add..
Notice in the verse who keeps us from the obvious evil spirit people,that were infiltrating the church!

Jude1
, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:

So my dear brother,we see Jude opens ,and closes with good news for the believer!

Jude 24
To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—



Unlike the demon fear doctrine,those who know who they are,know this to be true.

Get your eyes on the Lord,not the enemy!

Mate, I have my eyes on the Lord, but when another brother starts a rediculous, non-debatable thread, which takes everyone's eyes of our Lord Jesus Christ, and then after miles and miles of rambling, then accuse them of "DEMON FEAR DOCTRINE" after baiting and sucking them into this unnecessary and rediculous thread.

“One day as he was teaching, Pharisees and teachers of the law, who had come from every village of Galilee and from Judea and Jerusalem, were sitting there. And the power of the Lord was present for him to heal the sick. Some men came carrying a paralytic on a mat and tried to take him into the house to lay him before Jesus. When they could not find a way to do this because of the crowd, they went up on the roof and lowered him on his mat through the tiles into the middle of the crowd, right in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw their faith, he said, 'Friend, your sins are forgiven.' The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, 'Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?' Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, 'Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins....' He said to the paralyzed man, 'I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.' Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God who had given such authority to men.” (Luke 5:17-25, Matt. 9:8)

“Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Yeshua came and stood in the midst, saying, 'Peace be with you.' When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. So Jesus said to them again, 'Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.' And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’.” (John 20:19-23)

During our Lord Jesus Christ’s Life and ministry in the flesh, He presented the example for us to follow, which He passed down to us through His disciples that followed Him and as He was accountable for the Breath of Life in Him and passed that on.

He TOOK our sins upon Himself, BORE them in His Own Body, became accountable and responsible for them before our Heavenly Father, and by whose stripes we are healed (1 Pet. 2:24 & Isa. 53:5-12). HIS stripes were laid on His BODY, and when we embrace His Life, and our Lord Jesus Christ BREATHES the Holy Spirit into us since the Day of Pentecost, when we then become part of HIS Body, even though we are all different parts.

Our Heavenly Father sent Him, and the RESPONSIBILITY for the sins committed toward us, is also given to us. Therefore, it means we become responsible for the healing that can take place within the person committing the sin aimed toward us, by bearing that sin through ministry.

If we embrace the stripes laid upon us as He did, without guile or malice or return in word or deed, and exercise the AUTHORITY imparted to us by forgiving those sins from whose hands they had originated, then a supernatural event occurs as the Kingdom of Heaven within us (Luke 17:20-21) is extended into this earthly realm and the Healing Power of the Lord is loosed upon that person to give them the opportunity to be made whole and set free from captivity.

Through ministering His Word to those who struggle with the "wiles of the enemy" today, the Power of Light emanating from us overwhelms the darkness manifested from within those struggling Christian’s “house” or “soul”, and their “house” is no longer “empty, swept, and put in order”! Their "house" is filled, cleansed, and delivered from evil, set free from captivity, and their demons casted out by the power and authority of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[pinetree]

Mate, I have my eyes on the Lord, but when another brother starts a rediculous, non-debatable thread, which takes everyone's eyes of our Lord Jesus Christ, and then after miles and miles of rambling, then accuse them of "DEMON FEAR DOCTRINE" after baiting and sucking them into this unnecessary and rediculous thread.

“One day as he was teaching, Pharisees and teachers of the law, who had come from every village of Galilee and from Judea and Jerusalem, were sitting there. And the power of the Lord was present for him to heal the sick. Some men came carrying a paralytic on a mat and tried to take him into the house to lay him before Jesus. When they could not find a way to do this because of the crowd, they went up on the roof and lowered him on his mat through the tiles into the middle of the crowd, right in front of Jesus. When Jesus saw their faith, he said, 'Friend, your sins are forgiven.' The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, 'Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?' Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, 'Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'? But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins....' He said to the paralyzed man, 'I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.' Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God. When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe; and they praised God who had given such authority to men.” (Luke 5:17-25, Matt. 9:8)

“Then, the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled, for fear of the Jews, Yeshua came and stood in the midst, saying, 'Peace be with you.' When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. So Jesus said to them again, 'Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.' And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’.” (John 20:19-23)

During our Lord Jesus Christ’s Life and ministry in the flesh, He presented the example for us to follow, which He passed down to us through His disciples that followed Him and as He was accountable for the Breath of Life in Him and passed that on.

He TOOK our sins upon Himself, BORE them in His Own Body, became accountable and responsible for them before our Heavenly Father, and by whose stripes we are healed (1 Pet. 2:24 & Isa. 53:5-12). HIS stripes were laid on His BODY, and when we embrace His Life, and our Lord Jesus Christ BREATHES the Holy Spirit into us since the Day of Pentecost, when we then become part of HIS Body, even though we are all different parts.

Our Heavenly Father sent Him, and the RESPONSIBILITY for the sins committed toward us, is also given to us. Therefore, it means we become responsible for the healing that can take place within the person committing the sin aimed toward us, by bearing that sin through ministry.

If we embrace the stripes laid upon us as He did, without guile or malice or return in word or deed, and exercise the AUTHORITY imparted to us by forgiving those sins from whose hands they had originated, then a supernatural event occurs as the Kingdom of Heaven within us (Luke 17:20-21) is extended into this earthly realm and the Healing Power of the Lord is loosed upon that person to give them the opportunity to be made whole and set free from captivity.

Through ministering His Word to those who struggle with the "wiles of the enemy" today, the Power of Light emanating from us overwhelms the darkness manifested from within those struggling Christian’s “house” or “soul”, and their “house” is no longer “empty, swept, and put in order”! Their "house" is filled, cleansed, and delivered from evil, set free from captivity, and their demons casted out by the power and authority of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

As usual,your scriptures,never apply to the spirit filled believer.

You dont seem to realize,we are now Gods children.

Just for the record,our houses are swept,because the LORD OF GLORY LIVES IN US,WE ARE NOT THE WICKED GENERATION.

You need to read the scriptures in context.

 

[Cassidy]

Through ministering His Word to those who struggle with the "wiles of the enemy" today, the Power of Light emanating from us overwhelms the darkness manifested from within those struggling Christian’s “house” or “soul”, and their “house” is no longer “empty, swept, and put in order”! Their "house" is filled, cleansed, and delivered from evil, set free from captivity, and their demons casted out by the power and authority of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And are there any biblical instructions as to how this is to be done in the church? Because you know, that something as important as you claim this is, I would hope would have full instructions on the 'how to's'. And since Christ's death wasn't enough to free me from ALL sin upon belief then surely full instruction would have to be given as to how one can 'free' others from captivity since Christ didn't do a good enough job.

Now please be aware that instructions on how this is to be done would be where all the other instructions are as to how to perform these things in the church....ie corinthians.... Good luck with that!

 

[pinetree]

Question for the pro inhabitaion side of the isle...

If you believe we can be entered,possessed,or inhabited..

What happens to the holy Spirit that abides in us?

Does the Spirit flee?

 

[pinetree]

And are there any biblical instructions as to how this is to be done in the church? Because you know, that something as important as you claim this is, I would hope would have full instructions on the 'how to's'. And since Christ's death wasn't enough to free me from ALL sin upon belief then surely full instruction would have to be given as to how one can 'free' others from captivity since Christ didn't do a good enough job.

Now please be aware that instructions on how this is to be done would be where all the other instructions are as to how to perform these things in the church....ie corinthians.... Good luck with that!

yup..

They can say anything,because there is no scriptural evidence at all,to support their nonbiblical point..

Who knows....

Anything goes.....

 

[Cassidy]

Well it would have to co-inhabit within the same temple that is housing the evil spirits I presume. Since the Holy Spirit is in our spirit and these evil ones are 'apparantly' in our bodies and/or soul then they'd be abiding in the same temple but in different rooms. And I could imagine, that they'd be like those siamese fighting fish...trying to attack each other through the glass...you know. But then being as how the Holy Spirit is greater than I would hazard a guess that a simple 'problem' like soul/ body vs spirit...wouldn't be that much trouble for the Holy Spirit to penetrate.

 

[Seeking Him]

Peter Kreeft describes deliverance in “Fundamentals”. He says we find safety and security only when we are washed in the blood of the Lamb.

“God exchanged his deliverance for our evil. What happened on the cross was the universal principle of what love does. Love delivers the beloved from evil by taking it upon itself and soaking it up, like a blotter. Where do we find deliverance? There, in Christ’s wounds. Remember the line of the great old forgotten prayer “Anima Christi”; “Into thy wounds hide me” The devil dare not come there. He cringes from the blood. That is the safest place to be. Our deliverance is to be “washed in the blood of the Lamb.”

Once a person has experienced this salvation, that is it. They are surrounded with grace as a shield and no demon can get through into our body, soul or Spirit.

 

[brinny]

Question for the pro inhabitaion side of the isle...

If you believe we can be entered,possessed,or inhabited..

What happens to the holy Spirit that abides in us?

Does the Spirit flee?

well now i was wonderin' the same thing.....

 

[brinny]

Peter Kreeft describes deliverance in “Fundamentals”. He says we find safety and security only when we are washed in the blood of the Lamb.

“God exchanged his deliverance for our evil. What happened on the cross was the universal principle of what love does. Love delivers the beloved from evil by taking it upon itself and soaking it up, like a blotter. Where do we find deliverance? There, in Christ’s wounds. Remember the line of the great old forgotten prayer “Anima Christi”; “Into thy wounds hide me” The devil dare not come there. He cringes from the blood. That is the safest place to be. Our deliverance is to be “washed in the blood of the Lamb.”

Once a person has experienced this salvation, that is it. They are surrounded with grace as a shield and no demon can get through into our body, soul or Spirit.

amen.

 

[brinny]

Through ministering His Word to those who struggle with the "wiles of the enemy" today, the Power of Light emanating from us overwhelms the darkness manifested from within those struggling Christian’s “house” or “soul”, and their “house” is no longer “empty, swept, and put in order”! Their "house" is filled, cleansed, and delivered from evil, set free from captivity, and their demons casted out by the power and authority of our Lord Jesus Christ.

And are there any biblical instructions as to how this is to be done in the church? Because you know, that something as important as you claim this is, I would hope would have full instructions on the 'how to's'. And since Christ's death wasn't enough to free me from ALL sin upon belief then surely full instruction would have to be given as to how one can 'free' others from captivity since Christ didn't do a good enough job.

Now please be aware that instructions on how this is to be done would be where all the other instructions are as to how to perform these things in the church....ie corinthians.... Good luck with that!

yes...i'm wondering the same thing myself....

 

[pinetree]

You have been very clear that there is not a single scripture in the Bible, that you accept, that shows a spirit filled believer can be demonized. I was not aware of how little there is to say about this.

The problem I have with this however, is that your doctrine has limited just how much of the Bible you are willing to listen to! You seem to think that all God has to say on the subject is going to have to be found between Acts chapter 2 and Revelation ch. 3.

You claim that God has nothing to say in the Bible on the matter of Christians getting entangled with satan, yet have you considered the possibility that Jesus may have addressed the issue? And that you are simply blinded by your interpretation of Dispensational doctrine? Why would Jesus have taken the time to teach on demons, and show His disciples how to cast them out of good, godly, covenant keeping Jews; if none of this was going to apply to the jobs He was preparing them for?

Perhaps the Bible isn't as silent on this issue as you suppose. But then again, I could be wrong. Show me the verse that says that the things Jesus taught here on Earth don't apply anymore, because the Dispensation changed... or one that proves that Old Covenant people could be demonized while New Covenant people can't... or some such a thing.

Otherwise, we need to consider the fact that God does not change; and that if godly people used to be able to be taken over by demons, then there's nothing stopping them from doing so now.

I read your post.

 

[Elijah2]

Actually,when you read Jude,and all the evils mentioned..

You would see that the verse I posted,is really quite appropriate after all.

There is another from Jude I will add..
Notice in the verse who keeps us from the obvious evil spirit people,that were infiltrating the church!

Jude1
, a servant of Jesus Christ and a brother of James,
To those who have been called, who are loved by God the Father and kept by Jesus Christ:

So my dear brother,we see Jude opens ,and closes with good news for the believer!

Jude 24
To him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—



Unlike the demon fear doctrine,those who know who they are,know this to be true.

Get your eyes on the Lord,not the enemy!

Well they will only stop falling, when we can teach them to be sober and vigilant, and how to put on the whole Armour of God, and not to be angry, bitter, malicious, unforgiving, etc., etc.

When they learn all of that, then they will keep their eyes forcused on our Lord Jesus Christ.

Now, nobody in the healing and deliverance ministry is focusing on Satan and his forces, but they do make those wayside, stony, and thorny Christians aware of the consequenes of their sin, and try to sow the "incorruptible seed" into their heart. And when that is done then those devils will leave their "soul", and they will begin to walk in freedom.

God bless, the healing and deliverance ministry counsellors.

Be blessed.

 

[Elijah2]

yes...i'm wondering the same thing myself....

My dear sisters, Brinny and Cassidy, all instruction comes from the leading and guiding by the Holy Spirit and through the "word of wisdom; word of knowledge; gifts of healing; working of miracles and discerning of spirits...the same Spirit works all these things to each individual as HE wills" (1 Cor. 12:8-11). Therefore, if those members of the healing and deliverance ministries are walking in these Spiritual Gifts, then they would be given the ability to distinguish the works of our Lord Jesus Christ from demonic activity in the churches and the people.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Elijah2]

As usual,your scriptures,never apply to the spirit filled believer.

You dont seem to realize,we are now Gods children.

Just for the record,our houses are swept,because the LORD OF GLORY LIVES IN US,WE ARE NOT THE WICKED GENERATION.

You need to read the scriptures in context.

So my dear brother, you are hanging your "Mickey Mouse CLub Badge" on the one-liner "wicked generation"? I wonder what the Scribes and Pharisees thought after HE said that? I guess their unbelief and hardness of heart was what caused them to maliciously attack our Lord Jesus Christ. And I guess it was the demons in them, and after all they are were GOD's CHILDREN as well!

I did notice that it wasn't recorded in Luke 11:24-26!

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

 

[Cassidy]

My dear sisters, Brinny and Cassidy, all instruction comes from the leading and guiding by the Holy Spirit and through the "word of wisdom; word of knowledge; gifts of healing; working of miracles and discerning of spirits...the same Spirit works all these things to each individual as HE wills" (1 Cor. 12:8-11). Therefore, if those members of the healing and deliverance ministries are walking in these Spiritual Gifts, then they would be given the ability to distinguish the works of our Lord Jesus Christ from demonic activity in the churches and the people.

Be blessed in Jesus' Name.

If it can't be backed in scripture then it's not of God - sorry!