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So you think stories like John Todd and Maryanne (who interviewed henry makow) are deceivers trying to get attention with sensational stories?
I never heard of any of these people. I think that there are a lot of people who genuinely believe in the Illuminati, but I don't.
 
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How can you differentiate that with former occult members?
I don't really know a lot about the Illuminati. Aren't they supposed to be in control of everything or something? If they have that much power, wouldn't it be logical for them to simply bump off the bad eggs? I don't think cults are supposed to have as much power.
 
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I don't really know a lot about the Illuminati. Aren't they supposed to be in control of everything or something? If they have that much power, wouldn't it be logical for them to simply bump off the bad eggs? I don't think cults are supposed to have as much power.

So people are overestimating the power of the enemy?
 
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So people are overestimating the power of the enemy?
What I am saying is if the Illuminati were real, then we would know nothing about it, and there would be no ex Illuminati members.

Since we know about it, and there are ex members, it must be not real.

I do think there are people controlling things, but we don't know who they are or what they control.
 
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What I am saying is if the Illuminati were real, then we would know nothing about it, and there would be no ex Illuminati members.

Since we know about it, and there are ex members, it must be not real.

I do think there are people controlling things, but we don't know who they are or what they control.

So you think Schnebolen is a fraud? He exposed dungeons and dragons.
 
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I never heard of him. I don't think Dungeons and Dragons is Satanic, it just was a game for nerdy kids in the 1970s.
So you think Schnebolen is a fraud? He exposed dungeons and dragons.

I think there is some good conversation about chemtrails going on... but honestly I put that in, only to talk about how it affected my OCD, not to figure out if the conspiracy theories are true or not. Regardless of what you believe about the possibility of chemtrails it shouldn't affect you to the point where you physically feel sick and get headaches when you see them, or stay awake at night thinking about them, or drive around staring into the sky.
 
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I think there is some good conversation about chemtrails going on... but honestly I put that in, only to talk about how it affected my OCD, not to figure out if the conspiracy theories are true or not. Regardless of what you believe about the possibility of chemtrails it shouldn't affect you to the point where you physically feel sick and get headaches when you see them, or stay awake at night thinking about them, or drive around staring into the sky.

Can we at least agree these debates over chemtrails and former occult members doesn't really matter?
 
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I think there is some good conversation about chemtrails going on... but honestly I put that in, only to talk about how it affected my OCD, not to figure out if the conspiracy theories are true or not. Regardless of what you believe about the possibility of chemtrails it shouldn't affect you to the point where you physically feel sick and get headaches when you see them, or stay awake at night thinking about them, or drive around staring into the sky.

What about Schnebolen?
 
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I think there is some good conversation about chemtrails going on... but honestly I put that in, only to talk about how it affected my OCD, not to figure out if the conspiracy theories are true or not. Regardless of what you believe about the possibility of chemtrails it shouldn't affect you to the point where you physically feel sick and get headaches when you see them, or stay awake at night thinking about them, or drive around staring into the sky.
You're right, whether they are really a thing or not, you ought not be fixated on them.
 
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I don't believe in the Illuminati. I believe there are people controlling things, sure- the moneyed people. They always control things, always have and always will. This is the system we are not supposed to love, this is the part of the world we are to hate- because it is corrupt.
Same. I think its best to not go too deep into conspiracies..if at all. It'll mess with your head.
 
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