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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? How does evolution fit in? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.
 
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I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists.
The majority of theists--including most of the two billion Christians worldwide--have no problem with it. You need more personal advice than we can give you on the internet, but don't give up. Try to find a compassionate religious advisor, preferably not a conservative Evangelical.
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? Did DNA evolve over millions of years on its own? Did humans really descend from primates? If evolution is true, and humans really evolved from animals, then doesn't that mean that humans have no soul? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head. Every time I try to believe, the thought enters my mind that I'm just being gullible, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.
My Brethren, scientific theories are just man's mere thinking and it can't under no condition be compare to God's divinity. Believing in God is the greatest choice ever in once life. And please know this; God is real and He's alive, His is the Almighty the creator of heaven and earth. I pray now, in the name of Jesus may you encounter Jesus wherever you're now, may the Holy Spirit open up your mind and heart so you may feel God's presence.

I will give some scriptures to read that proves the existence of God.
 
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I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing?
I don't have the answers to these questions, but I will add something to help frame the debate. Don't let unbelievers convince you that they own the rational side of the debate. The truth is we're all operating on faith here, because we weren't there back then to witness what happened. The atheist believes there is no God. We believe there is one.

The second thing I would say is that there are a lot of resources out there that deal with the subject in a fair way. If this is weighing on you you should start investigating them if you haven't already.

Lastly, though I have unanswered cosmological questions, I have learned to guard my faith in the Lord. I learned the hard way the price I pay when I allow my heart to be assailed by unbelief, and I don't want that to happen again.
 
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Welcome to reality. That reality consists of a decaying body bent on its own destruction. We all have one. In fact, from the moment you were born you began to die. Understanding this we realize that we are never truly alive, but merely exist in a death postponed. From this comes one of God's most urgent warnings: "Life is but a vapor." As you age your relationship with death will change, day by day, just like every other relationship in your life. Most days you will run from it. Other days you will negotiate with it. You will watch him introduce himself to your friends and family. He will taunt you, tempt you, terrify you, comfort you. Sooner or later he will come for you and you will either be ecstatic or terrified to shake his hand. In steps Salvation, turning this terrorist into a taxi driver. Atop, and inside, some rocks in Jerusalem a man named Jesus escorted him into a cold office and informed him that the CEO has requested he step down. He remains on the payroll but he is no longer the face of the company. The demotion was swift and final. Whatever your relationship with him may be, you must understand that your address is on file and there is no way to avoid the eventual knock on the door. The question is will you pretend that you're not home? There's no use in that. He has a skeleton key. He'll get in sooner or later. A better bet is introducing yourself to the CEO. He's your only chance at job security.
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.

Read the gospels & decide whether Jesus is the kind of person you can trust.

Think carefully about it.

I wish you well.
 
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Let this new month, bring you unconditional happiness, uncommon breakthrough and unmeasurable favor from the Lord most high... Untimely death is not your portion, you will never cry for any reason, your presence shall bring light where there is darkness, you will triumph over the spirit of setback and breakdown in the mighty name of Jesus Christ our Savior and Lord... Amen...
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.

Hi Jesusdaughter155,

You sound a lot like me, especially at a younger age, particularly when you say "...Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair." Yes, I can completely relate with those thoughts.

I agree that some days it does feel like the ceiling is as high as any prayer might go, or that we are just motes of dust in an vast but meaningless universe, destined for oblivion. But what I've had to recognize is that reality is much bigger and much more complex than what either my feelings or my imagination may lead me to believe. And my recognition of this fact is also something I have had to learn to apply to the Bible as well.

Having faith in Christ isn't a matter of making ourselves 'believe' that the Bible is a book of mysterious power, but rather it is day by day increase in our trust in God by understanding that the Bible is a basic report of spiritual facts from the past. These facts delineate God-directed patterns that work themselves out within the long stretches of humanities' historical experiences, experiences that somehow include us along the way. And for those of us who have faith in Jesus, we have real Hope because we know that God will do for us in the long run what we can't do for ourselves--that is, impart to us eternal life.

As we attempt to understand this, we have to also remind ourselves that even though it may seem like life remains 'ordinary' and that God is extremely quite or seemingly uninvolved, our perception of this doesn't mean we actually see or feel reality as it is in its fullness.


So, try not to concentrate on making your faith in Christ 'feel' real based merely on the structures of thought that science provides (and I say this as one familiar with the Philosophy and Nature of Science), but instead concentrate on understanding the value of the ancient, Jewish style of testimony of faith expressed by the early disciples in the New Testament.

Peace,
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.

I appreciate this question and the time you took to elaborate your difficulties. It is very helpful in attempting to satisfactorily resolve your ordeal. I will begin by stating that the dire suspense you have about the nature of our existence and our destiny are fundamental to understanding who God is, what He has revealed to us in Christ and the significance and incommensurable joy of what He offers to us when we trust in Him. But before I address that subject specifically, allow me to attempt to relieve you of the doubts you designated with arguments and evidence presented as succinctly as possible for the sake of the format we are addressing this in, as well as (you may be excited to hear) the overwhelming quantity of substantial answers there are to these questions.

First on the list, we have the doubt of the soul, or, as it's known in philosophy, mind-body dualism. The doubt of the soul can only be grounded rationally if one establishes that there is no difference whatsoever between the mind and the brain; that is to say, there is no mind but rather the mind is the brain. Brain and mind, in this case, are merely interchangeable synonyms with no distinction except in language. For the soul not to exist, therefore, the brain and the mind have to be as identical as A is to A, for if there is any difference then the mind and the brain are not the same thing and thus there is some other entity involved in the brain's operations. There are many ways to demonstrate the distinction between the brain and the mind, but I will present two here for the sake of brevity:

1. Matter (which constitutes the brain) does not have states of intentionality; that is to say, it can not be about something. Matter can be of a certain colour, shape, size, potency, nature etc., but it can not be about these things. For example, water can hydrate a thirsty body, but it can not be desirous to quench thirst, or ambitious to satisfy thirst more effectively than another body of water; it can not wish it was hot or cold, a lake or a pool, etc. The examples are innumerable, and for the sake of not being unnecessarily redundant, insert x matter from any form of matter you can name in the universe and the same truth applies. Contrary to the fatty tissue of your brain, however, you do have states of intentionality in which you are about something, such as getting an answer to your inquiries to satisfy your fears.

2. The enduring self. While the matter in your brain and body is constantly changing, your consciousness of the self you now are endures despite the incessant changes. If your consciousness were a product of your brain, you would literally be a different person every fraction of a second (atheist scientists actually affirm this). The difference would not be metaphorical, such as the change we mean when we say something like, I'm a changed man," but rather a change of the consciousness perceiving the body you now possess. Thus, for example, you would not have any realistic anxieties of the future, such as your next dentist appointment, or, more severely, your death, because you would not even be there by the time either arrived, but rather a really good look-alike. We know that this is not the case, however, and that our conscious self survives all these changes to our physical composition.

Therefore, among other reasons, the mind and brain are not identical and thus not the same thing. The mind possesses qualities inconsistent with matter and this immaterial self is what we call the soul. Regardless of what you call it, it refers to the part of the human self that endures through physical change and cell death.

Second, you expressed doubts on account of the claims of the so-called scientific community. It is important you recognize that much of what is conveyed as science is nothing more than bad philosophy disguised behind snapshots of material discoveries. What I mean by that is that they present some object that they have discovered more information about, and then connect it to a false implication which the discovery does not actually imply (for example, learning more about the reproductive system and presenting that information to the public with some spin of the assertion that the lack of ethereal knitting needles disproves Psalms 139:13). It is a deceptive tactic that succeeds because most people aren't critical thinkers with an aptitude for applying laws of logic to detect what the evidence actually entails and what we can rightly infer from it. I'm not going to argue any particular theory of creation (though evolution is demonstrably false and by definition unscientific, since alleged millions and billions of years do not permit observation, testability or repeatability) because the arguments for God's existence do not require nor presume a specific duration or method of creation.

Pay careful attention to these following points as I develop the argument for the nature of the first cause. Regardless of duration or method, the universe requires a first cause which is itself uncaused. This first cause can be shown to be necessarily personal from the attributes the first cause must have had prior to creation. First, consider that something can not come from nothing. This is because nothing is not something of any kind, but rather not anything. Nothing has no properties, no potentialities of any kind because it is no thing; not a vacuum, not a quantum energy field or anything of the sort. It is the entire absence of existence (otherwise we are not talking about nothing, which I hope is clear to everyone). Therefore, something must have always existed or nothing would ever come into being and there would be no universe of any form to speak (or not speak) of.

Now consider also that an actual infinite amount of time is impossible. For example, if I borrowed money from you and told you I would pay you back after an infinite amount of time, when would you be reimbursed? Never. You would understand it as a joke, as an infinite amount of time can not pass, since infinite by definition is an endless amount. To ask when we would traverse an infinite is equivalent to asking when we will reach the literal end of the literal endless. Likewise, you can not have had an infinite amount of time before this moment right now. Combine these facts, and the logically emergent conclusion is that something must have always existed, but it can not have existed for an infinite amount of time; I would reemphasize here that it must have always existed, however, as explained before. This leaves us with something that must have always existed, but can not have existed always in time. Anything which exists timelessly is eternal, by definition.

But why does such a being have to be personal? Because anything that is timeless must also be changeless, since change entails time (something was like x at moment t-1, then like y at t-2; the moments are produced from a state not remaining static). Something that is changeless by its very nature can not change (or it would not be changeless), unless it possessed some concurrent attribute that could spontaneously override its changeless state to emerge into time at a first moment. Free agency is the only attribute that could accomplish this since something that simply is changeless can not change, as opposed to something which rather remains changeless by volition.

Therefore the first cause of the universe must be uncaused, eternal and personal, among other things that were not included or elaborated for the sake of brevity and addressing your specific doubts.

Finally, this brings us to the existential question behind all the sincere inquiring of these sorts of questions or frustrated arguments, which is what, ultimately, we exist for and where we are inevitably headed. After all is said and done, and the smoke clears from the arguments, their counter-arguments and the counters to those, the human heart remains amidst it all. That is what is the source of all of our longings, our hopes and ambitions, and, most wonderfully seems bent by its very nature to be satisfied in who Christ is and what we are promised through life in Him. Certainly it would be the most wonderful thing of all if it were not by design that such desires are endlessly present in the human heart for all such things that can not be satisfied in the universe in which we now live. As the Scriptures say, God has set eternity in the heart of man (Ecclesiastes 3:11).

The arguments considered (of which there is abundantly more than I presented, and beyond that, that I do not yet know to present), ultimately your decision will not have to be ignorantly, but from a heart that desires all of who Christ is. Our circumstances have been established in such a way that those who will receive Christ will do so in a way that is necessary to provide saving faith rather than mere intellectual assent to a set of doctrines, which would only leave us unregenerate and continually dead in our sins. Paul explains God's purpose for our lives and circumstance: "From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us (Acts 17:26-27)."

This is why Jesus also declared: "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do (Luke 10:21)." (Note that the wise and learned in this context are those who are wise in the world's eyes, since true wisdom comes from God, Proverbs 9:10) And elsewhere He warned: "But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it (Luke 18:17." This is because, He proclaims: "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent (John 17:3)."

To repeat, in closing, there are many substantial arguments and an abundance of evidence, enough to make it more transparent than it already was (Romans 1:20), but ultimately (not ignorantly) it is a decision you have to make from sincerity of heart to receive Christ and trust in Him unto salvation. The arguments are there to reinforce your faith, not replace the substance of it, which is the pursuit of Christ Himself, who will satisfy every good desire and longing of your soul.
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? How does evolution fit in? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.
Well, I will give you some hard core evidence against the fake news of the science world, evolutionism, and then I will give you some hard core scientific evidence for the reality of the savior of the Bible - though there is so much more than I can include here.

First, on the Big Bang, it actually defies the laws of science, particularly physics. Also, it is a theory, a theory that doesn't even have universal support from secular scientists. Here is a vid by a Spike Psarris. He was an atheist and firm believer in evolution who worked for the space program as an engineer. One day someone challenged him to see the obvious - that the Big Bang is impossible according to physics. This vid doesn't just deal with cosmology, though, but how science in general does not support theoretical, politically correct, anti Biblical "science".

Now just in general on evolution - which I once bought hook, line and sinker...
Let's see how pseudo science is being used to convince you that you are nothing but a fish update who sprang from some antiscientific primal pond type scenario, and who certainly doesn't have a Heavenly Father Who...loves...you. Then let's look at some real science, a bit outside the box.
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We have been told that life came from inorganic matter. Now, science must have observable data to be valid and must not ignore the actual data. The actual data, per the LAW of Biogenesis? Life always comes only from life and life of the same kind. Theories are fine if they don't defy the actual evidence. Even in labs, with intelligent design and high tech equipment, life has never been created. The best they can do is take an already living cell and alter it with genetic engineering, or get a few components of the cell, not nearly all of them at al, which never come close to being alive..
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The needed proteins and other components of a cell are not only not all there, they are not arranged as they need to be arranged - in statistically impossible ways if random chance had put them together. No one has even gotten close to creating life. It should be easy. Just take a simple cell or any life form that has died. There you have all the components needed for life - except life. So why can't anyone do a Dr. Frankenstein on any of them? (And kindly don't say that evolution doesn't "do" abiogenesis. Look. It's in evolution writings and documentaries, and all over the net and YT.)
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We have also been told as gawd's truth scientific fact that a 3 foot high ape type creature, an Australopithecus, Lucy, was your great, great etc. granny. Based on? Some minor similarities, namely "similar homology", namely the Correlation Does Not Imply Causation logical fallacy. The fact that she was pretty much like any other ol' Australopithecus was irrelevant to them. Incomplete Comparison logical fallacy.
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Since evolutionists are always disagreeing with one another on everything, now some of them say, No, it wasn't Lucy but some other such creature. Some creature with no evidence it existed. Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy.
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Now how do they know Lucy et al even had a single descendant, much less one significantly different from it, much less one that could turn into you? Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy.
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Guess for how long any "transitions" are missing between you and Lucy or some other transition du jour? Oh, for just 2 to 5 million Darwin years! The rocks say no transitions exist. The evo spin, their Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy, tells you, again as gawd's truth scientific fact, that they are just "missing."
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We've also been told that we came via a fish, Tiktaalik. The story goes that this...fish...was found in just the right place for a "transition". Problem is, it's 100% nothing but a...fish. See Wiki describing it as "an extinct species of lobe finned fish." Google the fossil of Tiktaalik, which is mostly missing. Do those tiny fin fragments look like they could be said to be turning into legs - without the Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy? Yet we see all sorts of fanciful art work of Tik with long, muscular "evolving" legs, bending as the fish transits, supposedly, to land. The real evidence?
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In countless billions of fossils and in living examples, all we ever see are 100% fish and 100% tetrapods/four legged animals. (No, mud skippers and "walking" catfish are not transitions. They are using their 100% fins in an unusual way, similar to a flying fish which is no way turning into a bird.)
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Evolutionists are constantly picking up fossils like Tiktaalik from the ground and telling you, for up to over a 100 million Darwin years, what happened to their invisible and evidenceless countless billions of "descendants." Never ask them how to tell missing links from non existent links. And then they accuse Christians of being into "magical thinking."
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You are not a fish update. You are infinitely more than that. Here is some actual, observable and documented evidence, to help you see that: Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and told others to do things like raise the dead and heal the sick. It also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories?
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See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church.
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See Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her.
The DNA in every cell in her body was transformed.
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See CBN's short vid with Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him.
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Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story.
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Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth. Delores Winder testimony.wmv
The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles.
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On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. Check out the YT vid with the ophthalmologist who says Yes, Ronald Coyne could see out of an empty eye socket after a faith healer prayed for him. You can see him doing demos. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured. Do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who created time, space, matter, energy and you - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you.
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Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin, you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. . Documentary | Jesus and the Shroud of Turin . The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which even reveals the bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud.
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In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into possession of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment, with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals.
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The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: The Shroud image was not painted on, and they have no clue how it got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology.
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About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck."
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Maybe that Man on the Shroud is your very Best Friend and Savior. I pray you will find that out. You're going to need a miracle some day friend. They are out there in abundance for those who humbly seek them from their Creator, the One Who made all that DNA out there, and Who said, "Whoever comes to Me I will no way cast out."
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

I have a chronic illness and I'm still very young, so if I don't pass away in an accident, or by my own hand, I have a long life ahead of me. I find it hard to cope but one of the things that gives me hope is the idea of an afterlife. A place where you're reunited with your loved ones, and there is no pain, no suffering, and no injustice. The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

I'm depressed by many things in this life, but one of the only things that offers me consolation is the hope of an afterlife. If there is no God, then I can't find any meaning in life for myself, personally. It doesn't help me to try to give my own life meaning, because I can't give my own life meaning due to the circumstances in my life. And if there's no meaning in life, I can't find any point in living. I feel like if life on this earth carries so many struggles, and death is inevitable and we all die, even infants moments after being born, and nothing comes after it, why go on living?

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts. I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing? How does evolution fit in? I'm confused and conflicted. I desperately want God to be real, but I can't fight through the doubts in my head, and this leaves me feeling beyond depressed. I just want to hold onto my hope of an afterlife, but I'm finding it very hard to do.
P.S. If you have any questions on evolutionism, please feel free to ask them here or by PM. I have debated literally thousands of evolution supporters online for some years now. They are all bluff and bluster, false information, and are generally clueless about the logical fallacies they accept as gawd's truth science. This is due to our secular education system and media, mostly.

With the hope that I am not typing too much for one string... Here is a post that at least 2 evolutionist fans actually praised for being articulate. It gives more evidence for why evolution cannot be true, along with data for the Great Flood.

At age 14 I declared myself an atheist. In my world, all the way through grad school, I never once heard anyone question evolutionism. Then one day I did hear people questioning it, and, being the curious sort, decided to see what it was all about. Right before beginning my research I remember thinking "I don't see how evolution could possibly not be true." Here are just a very few of the things that I learned.
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Let's look at the "Bible" of evolutionism, The Origin of Species. Maybe because it is so mind numbingly boring, people rarely notice something, namely that it never shows the origin of anything! Darwin's finch beaks are supposed to support goo through the zoo to you, but what do they really show? Zero.
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Research reveals that the beaks grow back and forth in size depending on climate variations. The evidence that finches or Galapagos Island Turtles et al have ever been or ever will be anything but finches, G.I. turtles et al? Zero again.
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But if you can provide data that they "evolved" from something else, please do so. Not theories presented as evidence, now, but scientific data.
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Oh, and btw, as usual in evolutionary theory you are being told one thing while the opposite is true, as about natural selection. It does not lead to evolution as Darwin claimed. It only shuffles, or sometimes eliminates, pre existing information that has always been in the genes. It never creates new DNA as would be necessary, for ex., to turn a fin into a foot or a leg into a wing. Nothing ever observed creates new DNA. All DNA is just a copy of a copy of a copy which can be altered by things like mutations.
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Beneficial mutations? They are said to be the second force for evolution. However, Charles Muller, who won a Nobel Prize for his work on them, said "The good ones are so rare that we can consider them all bad."
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Darwin was nothing but an armchair theorist who, unlike his contemporary Mendel, never supported his theory through the scientific method and cast doubts on it himself. Yet he is an icon of evolution, like another contemporary, a lawyer named George Lyell, who came up with the totally fictional Geologic Column.
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The GC exists only in art work. The real evidence? Fossils are jumbled, in no neatly organized pattern whatsoever. There really are no such things as Cambrian, Jurassic, and so on "periods." Like the GC those are just fictions presented as facts. Giant shark fossils are found with dino fossils in Montana, for ex. Whales' fossils are found in wildly improbable places like the Andes mountains, the Sahara and a desert in Chile. Deep sea "Cambrian" fossils, such as sea shells and mollusks, are found at every level on the planet, including on most mountain tops - like the world's highest, the Himalayans. Fossils of ocean floor trilobites are found in the hills of mid America and countless other places world wide, high and far inland.
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Take a look. See the ocean floor dwelling, now extinct, trilobites found on mountain tops all over the world. trilobites On Mountains - Bing images Notice the exquisitely preserved details on many.
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Now some claim "plate tectonics" moved, intact and conjoined, vast stretches of ocean dwelling, bottom floor, marine life fossils in the billiions to travel for millions of years and then wrap around the tops of mountains. Not uncommonly they are in their original shape with perfect details as you see in the link. It's like the theorists never heard of erosion. Others claim, "Well, if there are whale fossils in the Sahara, and Nautilus fossils in the Grand Canyon, etc. that shows an ocean was present." Oceans don't create fossils! Fossils are created when life forms are rapidly buried with water and sediment. That way no animals can eat them, natural forces can't erode them, and the chemistry of fossilization can begin
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(And please do not send me a post quoting Talk Origins, which I call Talk Spin. Yes, I know that they claim to have found one GC on this entire, vast, planet. But they didn't. If you will check thoroughly you will see them saying "Some of the strata are out of place", i.e. there ain't any GC there, either. I am very familiar with TO. They have no problems with flat out lying and are not even an authentic science source. If you can find an authentic science source that shows a GC, include that with a link to a photo. Then explain why the rest of the planet shows the exact opposite of a GC. My experience is that knowledgeable evolution defending people will say "Well, the GC is just a model. We know none really exists." When I ask "How can you make a model of something that has no evidence whatsoever that it existed?" they don't respond.)
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The Bible says that flood waters completely covered the whole earth after, for one thing, "the fountains of the deep broke forth." (Did you know there is an ocean below our commonly known oceans, or have you seen the mid Atlantic ridge which looks like it used to be a great crack on the ocean floor? Probably not.). The fossil record shows that marine life fossils are at every level on the planet, everywhere around the globe, and that, in fact, over 75% of the fossils on land are marine. And they say the Bible is not historical and not backed by science. And btw there are almost 300 Great Flood legends around the world. Even the one by the Aborigines of Australia is highly similar to what the Bible reports.
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So you've been told a book showed the origin of species, but it didn't. You've been told G.I. animals show evolution but they only show they are having, at most, minimal changes that leave them basically what they were before.
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You were told there is a Geological Column, but there is not one on the planet. You're told over and over that natural selection shows evolutionism when it actually just somewhat modifies the organism through shifting already present information, or sometimes through loss of information, in the genomes, leaving it essentially what it was before. It may eventually become a new species of fish, or bee, or tree, etc., but it will always stay a fish, a bee or a tree etc. We see no evidence whatsoever of any species in a Genus moving up to the next step on the Animal or Plant Kingdom to become a new Family. (Not to mention never seeing any transitions from any Order, Class, Phylum or Kingdom.)
Yet that would have had to have happened for evolution to occur, and it is claimed, with no evidence whatsoever, that it did happen over and over and over.
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We have trillions of life forms out there. So why don't we see mutations causing any Lifeform of Family A to turn into a Lifeform of Family B? After all, their ancestors have supposedly had hundreds of millions of Darwin years to make the switch and be moving around as part A and part B. But eagles stay eagles, bullfrogs stay bullfrogs, dolphins stay dolphins, eboli bacteria stay eboli bacteria, tulips stay tulips, chimps stay chimps, fruit flies stay fruit lies, and of course people stay people, no matter how much they change
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What else does evolutionism offer besides unsubstantiated theories, in fact theories that defy the real evidence, presented as facts? Logical fallacies. Logical fallacies always, always, undergird evolutionism defense.
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The favorites are Correlation Does Not Imply Causation and Presuming Omniscience, though it uses many.
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Correlation Does Not Imply Causation goes like this: "Look! Fossil A has some similarities to Fossil B! We'll use big words to sound impressive about that, like 'similar homology.' We have exactly zero evidence Fossil A even had a descendant, much less one significantly different from it, much less that it turned into B, C, D etc. But we are going to tell you, as gawd's truth scientific fact, that we know all about what happened to its evidenceless, unverifiable descendants. We'll call that science."
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This leads right into the Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy. Another example of a use of that fallacy is when an evolutionary paleontologist will pick up a fossil from the ground and tell you with absolute authority that they know all about what happened to it's invisible "descendants" in the untestable past - for over 100 million Darwin years.
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"Missing links" (2 to 5 million Darwin years' worth of them between you and Lucy or some other such "transition" du jour) is a Presuming Omniscience logical fallacy phrase. How do you tell missing links from never existed links? Have...faith...brothers and sisters! And be so grateful that YOU ain't religious!
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Learn how to spot logical fallacies and you will see them used in every defense in evolutionary literature.
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Ignoring the actual data is also part of evolutionism. For just one of innumerable examples, they say life can come from inorganic matter (and don't say they do not - who came up with the antiscientific primal pond, creationists?) The data, what real science uses, shows life, always and only, comes from life and life of the same kind.
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Pile theories presented as facts on top of logical fallacies, ignore the real data or try to spin it away, and stir well with sophistry. Then you have evolutionary theory.
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You're not a fish update. You have a Creator Who made you and loves you and wants you to know Him, and to love Him too. Don't trade that in for pseudo science mumbo jumbo.
 
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I don't really know what to believe. I want to believe in God, but I'm having heavy, heavy doubts. I'm terrified there is no God. If there weren't any God, life wouldn't have meaning for me, personally. I'm afraid my belief in God is gullible and irrational.

Well, then, it seems it's time for that to change. Here are some great websites that can help:

www.reasonablefaith.org
www.crossexamined.org
www.str.org
www.rzim.org

The idea of an infinite God, who loves you purely and unconditionally, no matter what your life on earth was like, fills my heart with a sense of peace and awe.

Well, maybe this is part of your problem: You're thinking of God as an idea rather than as the Person that He is. So long as you think of Him primarily as an idea, a concept, rather than a Person, He will remain a doubtful prospect. One can pick up and abandon ideas at the drop of hat; it is not possible to do so with someone you know and with whom you relate all the time.

But then, a grim fear enters my mind. The fear that this is hope is just a fantasy. That there is no God, and if you try to talk to Him, you're only talking to the ceiling. That we may only be flesh-covered cartons of organs. That there may be no soul, and our consciousness is just a series of electrical interactions inside of our brain. That when we die and our brains shut off, there is nothing beyond that. We can never feel, think, or dream again. Just black, infinite nothingness. The thought of this fills me with great despair. And it doesn't calm me down to think that if it's true that we're hurtling towards oblivion, then I wouldn't be aware of oblivion because I wouldn't be conscious, because I'm alive now, and I can think, and feel, and I don't want to stop thinking and feeling. I don't want those things to be taken away from me.

They can't be taken from you; you can only give them up. That's a choice you make, not an intellectual inevitability forced upon you.

I want to believe in God, because the idea of a loving God and the afterlife gives me peace, but I still have the same nagging doubts.

I hope there is more to your relationship with God than a desire for the peace He gives. It's a rather selfish thing, don't you think, to want God only for what He can give you rather than because of the excellency and awesomeness of who He is.

I've heard of near-death experiences, and reading books about them is very relaxing for me but according to some scientists the people who have genuinely experienced these things were only having hallucinations due to oxygen deprivation.

Have you read or listened to anything by Dr. Gary Habermas on this matter of NDEs? He's been doing some careful research in this area, sifting through the stories and finding ones he thinks are genuine indicators of the supernatural afterlife the Bible tells us about. Try Googling him, or looking for him on YouTube.

Why do the scientists who poo-poo NDEs hold such sway in your thinking? It seems all they have to do is speak and you believe them. Why is that? Have you heard the saying, "Science doesn't speak; scientists do"? It reminds us that the facts of science are always interpreted by scientists who do so through the filters of their own philosophical presuppositions about reality. Often what we hear from scientists these days is a mix of scientific fact and philosophical perspective, not the straightforward, unadulterated facts of empirical research. Be careful, then, that you aren't accepting a philosophy when you think you're hearing and accepting something scientific. A scientific claim and philosophical claim aren't the same thing.

I can't reconcile my hope in God being real with findings according to scientists. If the Big Bang happened, what came before it? Was it God? Or was it really nothing?

Can something come from nothing? If so, why doesn't this happen all the time? Why do only universes do this and not everything else, too? Scientists can't say. Why is there everything rather than nothing? Are you aware of just how infinitesimally small the chances are that the universe in which we live could exist? The fine-tuning of the universe for life is mind-boggling! Our universe exists on a razor's edge of fine-tuning that simply could not have occurred accidently! The more these factors of fine-tuning are discovered and understood (and there are several dozen of them now), the more scientists agree that the universe could not have just come to be purely by chance. What's more, the Big Bang Theory actually agrees with the millenia-old biblical account of how the universe came into being. Why your skepticism, then?

It is patently irrational to say that the universe created itself or that the laws governing the mechanical functioning of the universe brought it into being. Those laws only began to exist when the universe did. How, then, could they have created themselves and the universe? But such enormous, irrational leaps are growing commonplace among some prominent scientists like Dawkins and Hawking who want desperately to avoid a created universe. Don't let their rhetoric and poor philosophizing deceive you!

How does evolution fit in?

How indeed?! The common, relatively rapid and deleterious effects of mutation, the problem of the pre-existence of genetic information in order to create biological life, design specificity, the enormous lack of transitional fossils, the Cambrian Explosion, and so on should make any open and honest seeker for truth highly skeptical of the ToE. Here's a good resource on this topic:

IDquest

Access Research Network

In the end, arguments for the existence of God won't bring you into relationship with Him any more than an argument for the existence for your neighbors will bring you into relationship with them. God is a Person and to really know Him you must relate with Him just as you must in order to really know your neighbors. How? Well, I would advise you to ask God to reveal Himself to you, not just in the pages of your Bible, but personally. Ask Him to illuminate your mind to His truth and to establish your faith in Him. And then begin to study His word, the Bible. "Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God," the Bible says. If you want increase your faith in God, knowing His word well is crucial. But behind the Bible is its Author. Look for Him in what you read in Scripture:

John 5:39-40
39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.
40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.


1 John 1:2-4
2 the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us--
3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things we write to you that your joy may be full.
 
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aiki There was no need to accuse this child of the Almighty of being selfish because she wants peace from Him. That was certainly judgmental and harsh. Who are we to say how the Father feels about our prayers? HE is happy if we come to Him for any reason. Get to know why He is called "The Father of Mercies".
 
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aiki There was no need to accuse this child of the Almighty of being selfish because she wants peace from Him. That was certainly judgmental and harsh. Who are we to say how the Father feels about our prayers? HE is happy if we come to Him for any reason. Get to know why He is called "The Father of Mercies".

I think it's great how protective and careful of the OP you are being. But you are defending her from an attack I never made. I did not actually accuse the OP of being selfish; that's your spin on what I wrote.

"I hope there is more to your relationship with God than a desire for the peace He gives. It's a rather selfish thing, don't you think, to want God only for what He can give you rather than because of the excellency and awesomeness of who He is."

So where is this accusation of selfishness, exactly? I wrote that I hoped (not declared as a certainty) she had more to her relationship with God than just a desire for the peace He can give her. How does my hope for a full experience of God for the OP translate into "You're selfish!" And then, I ask her a question. I don't accuse her; I ask her what she thinks. And THEN, I go on to offer her links to websites full of answers pertinent to her questions and some of my own thoughts on what she has posed as concerns. How is this judgmental and harsh?! Goodness! I'm trying to help the OP, not trash her! I may not do so in just the way you think I should but I'm not you! If she doesn't want or appreciate my advice, she'll either let me know or ignore me.
 
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aiki Here is your exact quote, again: I hope there is more to your relationship with God than a desire for the peace He gives. It's a rather selfish thing, don't you think, to want God only for what He can give you rather than because of the excellency and awesomeness of who He is.

Why would you ask if it is selfish to want the Almighty for what He can give if you weren't making an assumption that she was being, as you said, so selfish? Rhetorical Qs. are generally sufficient to get an idea across quite well.

Again, who are you to say, or imply, that the Almighty feels her prayer..might be...could be... whatever...not good enough or displeasing to Him? HE wants us to have peace. He calls on our "selfish" desires all the time in the Bible to bring us closer to Him. For example He tells us to obey Him so that our reward will be great in Heaven. There are many other examples where he uses "selfishness" to get us to conform to His will. This is a typical approach of good, earthly, parents raising children, too.

I don't know who is in your circle of acquaintances but I don't know a single person so saintly that all they ever pray for is to know more about "the excellency and awesomeness of Who He is." That's good. Very good. But in the real world people are mostly praying for deep, heart felt needs, such as this lady has been mentioning. And the Father of Mercies, no way, no way, looks down on such prayers with disdain and asks "Why aren't you just seeking Me for the awesomeness of Who I am?" That can come later.

But you are free to have your opinion, and that's all I have to say on the matter.
 
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Why would you ask if it is selfish to want the Almighty for what He can give if you weren't making an assumption that she was being, as you said, so selfish? Rhetorical Qs. are generally sufficient to get an idea across quite well.

A rhetorical question is often intended to get a person to ponder. That was my sole goal. Not to accuse, but to provoke thought.

Again, who are you to say, or imply, that the Almighty feels her prayer..might be...could be... whatever...not good enough or displeasing to Him?

I didn't say or imply any such thing. Again, this is the spin you're putting on my comments. I don't really know what the content of her prayers has been exactly. She hasn't said much at all about her prayer life, so I made no comment about it. I did make the point of saying that its a problem if we ONLY want God for what He can give rather than for who He is. But this isn't to say we must ONLY love God for who He is. Certainly we can desire the joy, peace, love, faith, etc we find in knowing Him. The thing is, though, that these things are all facets of His character, not spiritual products He doles out to us. So, the better we know and love Him, the fuller our experience of His joy, peace, love, faith, and so on will be. Which is why I wrote that ONLY desiring God for what He might give is not a good idea. He is not separate from what He imparts to us. If we want peace, faith and love from God, we must have more of God Himself.

He calls on our "selfish" desires all the time in the Bible to bring us closer to Him. For example He tells us to obey Him so that our reward will be great in Heaven. There are many other examples where he uses "selfishness" to get us to conform to His will. This is a typical approach of good, earthly, parents raising children, too.

I did not say God did not do this. Again, I suggested if the ONLY reason we pursue God is for what He might give to us and not because we want Him, there's a problem. I did not say we must never be motivated by the blessings and promises of God that He extends to us in knowing Him. You seem to be picking a fight with me, really, for no good reason. Very strange...

I don't know who is in your circle of acquaintances but I don't know a single person so saintly that all they ever pray for is to know more about "the excellency and awesomeness of Who He is."

Neither do I. And I've never suggested a believer should pray this way exclusively. Why, then, are you carrying on as though I have? You really do seem to want to pick a fight...

But in the real world people are mostly praying for deep, heart felt needs, such as this lady has been mentioning. And the Father of Mercies, no way, no way, looks down on such prayers with disdain and asks "Why aren't you just seeking Me for the awesomeness of Who I am?" That can come later.

See above.

But you are free to have your opinion, and that's all I have to say on the matter.

Apparently, I'm not. It seems if you mistake my words, I can expect you to accuse and criticize me quite unpleasantly.

I sure hope this is all you've got to say on the matter. Now, getting back to the OP's concerns...
 
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