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NothingButTheBlood said:
Ephesians is clear that the man is the spritual leader of the family. It's not that her opinion doesn't matter it's that she may not find certain Christian principals important. If this man is a Christian than he is going to want his children raised in a certain type of environment. A Christian wife will want that as well. In other words if they are both Christians the wife and husband will have some common ground to work from. If his wife and he disagree on these things it's not going to benefit anyone. That is why we are cautioned to think before we marry someone outside the faith.

Obviously, common ground is important. Clearly you can have common ground without both being of the same religion. Unless, perhaps, one of you is a fundie. But my mother and father have been happily married for almost 30 years and my father is a devout Christian while my mother is not. Since my father does not view himself as my mother's lord and master but rather his partner and friend, he has never forced his beliefs on her or forced her to attend church. As children, we were given the option of attending church. I'm sure that makes my entire family a huge failure.
 
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Well, hmm.

How many people here know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of the "unequally yoked" argument?

I was in this position once. It was dehumanizing. It left me feeling spiritually raped and worthless. :(

It's one of many reasons why I'm pagan now.

Ironically though, I do think Zaac has a point when he mentions that Christians need to be the ones to inform each other about this kind of issue. I mean obviously religion mattered to the guy who dumped me; and for something as intimate and important as a marriage, ya got every right to be able to make decisions based on things like that. Obviously the guy felt he'd be better off if he had the perfect Christian wife, and that wasn't me.

I guess what I think now is that if religion is that important to someone, then goodness, stay within your faith. I just wish the guy I'd been dating had had the courtesy to stay away from me, knowing that I wasn't what he really wanted.
 
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gwenmead said:
Well, hmm.

How many people here know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of the "unequally yoked" argument?

I was in this position once. It was dehumanizing. It left me feeling spiritually raped and worthless. :(

It is very horrible. Especially when the rejection, basically of one's soul, is coming from someone you care so much about, and are unjudgemental of.

I guess what I think now is that if religion is that important to someone, then goodness, stay within your faith. I just wish the guy I'd been dating had had the courtesy to stay away from me, knowing that I wasn't what he really wanted.

No kidding.

Christian folks who feel this way, do this! ---^
 
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Zaac said:
I don't make suggestions about things that I can easily say. And as that is not what was said, what's your point? :scratch:

"...to make it appear as though disobedience to God is somehow okay because it is done for the sake of the woman or man to have their own rights and beliefs."

We should not respect people or allow them rights if it leads to disobedience to god?
 
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Nymphalidae said:
"...to make it appear as though disobedience to God is somehow okay because it is done for the sake of the woman or man to have their own rights and beliefs."

We should not respect people or allow them rights if it leads to disobedience to god?

And that statement didn't in any way say that somebody needed to be deprived of their rights and beliefs. It says what it says and what it says is that God is not to be disobeyed just because someone wants their own rights and beliefs.

Christians aren't called to respect that which is in disobedience to Jesus.
 
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You have quite a few responses here. One thing to keep in mind, is this:
If you are a Christian, and you are seeking advise about marrying a non-Christian, you should get your advise from other Christians, and if possible, your minister/priest. Non-Christians will tell you that there is nothing wrong with marrying somebody who believes differently than you do, and that is because they do not put any faith in what the bible says about inter-faith marriages.

Inter-faith marriages have been spoken of since the old testament. An inter-faith marriage, according to God's word, is a marriage between a person who believes in the one true God, Jehovah, and a person who worships either a. another god, or b. a wrongful version of Jehovah (ie: muslim faith believes in the God of Abraham, which is also our God, but they see Him differently than Jews and Christians do. they have also re-written and completely ignored God's laws)

Here are some scriptures for you to examine.


"Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you. You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles...You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land...And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods." Exodus 34:12-16


Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, for that would turn away your children from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the Lord would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly." Deuteronomy 7:3-4


"Shecaniah...addressed Ezra, saying, 'We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for Israel in spite of this. So now let us make a covenant with our God to send away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lord and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law. They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes; And that we would not give our daughters unto the people of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons." Ezra 10:2-3

Here you see that Ezra is distressed because the Israelites had intermarried with foreign tribes, who practiced another form of worship. The leaders and priests chose to forcibly divorce all inter-tribal (and thus inter-faith) marriages in Israel. In those days, religious unity was apparently considered more important than family values. Although there are many locations in the Bible where marrying women of other faiths was prohibited, this is the only location where existing inter-faith couples were ordered to divorce. The fate of the women and children who were sent away is unknown.

I'm sure that non-believers will spew rhetoric about how awful this is, and how could a just God could do this to women and children, etc. The response to that is that God commanded the Israelites not to marry into another faith, just as God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, and the people of Noah's time, not to commit fornication, or homosexual acts with one another. After each broken commandment in the bible, you will see a punishment for disobeying.

When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (which gave them the knowledge of good and evil), and then lied to God about it, they were removed from the garden of Eden. Humans were then made to toil and sweat to provide for themselves, and women were put through the painfulness of childbearing.

During Noah's time, when there was worshipping of false gods, rampant fornication, the sharing of spouses, homosexual acts, etc., God saw only one human who obeyed Him, among all of humanity. This was Noah, and because of that God saved Noah and Noah's family. The rest of civilization was destroyed.

In the book of Ezra, the priests and leaders knew well of the punishment that would come upon them if the sins against God continued. That is why they divorced all of the inter-faith marriage, and sent the mothers and children away.

You see, God takes inter-faith marriage VERY seriously. So should you. So should we all.

The sins continued over time, and to pay for the sins, burnt offerings upon alters were given to God. There was (and still is) so much sin, that there couldn't have been enough animals to lay on the alter, and sacrifice in order to cover our sins. So God, being a loving Creator, sent Himself (God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) in the form of his Son, Jesus Christ, as a final blood sacrifice. In doing this, anybody who accepts Jesus as the Savior, will be forgiven of their sins, and their name will be written in the Book of Life. Upon Jesus return (which is not that far away, according to the signs in the book of Revelation), if your name is not written in the book of Life, it's because you have not accepted Jesus as your Savior.

The bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. That means every belligerent knee and every hate spewing tongue will also confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. The difference is that after confessing, they will be told that God doesn't know them. Then they will be eternally separated from God, in a place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. I don't want anybody here to go there. I'm sure you don't either.

But answer this:
Do you want your wife (after marrying her, loving her, spending your life with her) and your children (after watching them grow, sharing your love with them, and feeling so much for them that you would lay down your life for them) to be sent to that place? Do you want them to be where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Think about that. You know how you get when it's so hot that you get a headache... and if you can't find a place to cool down, you'll begin to lose your temper? It happens to everyone. That's what gnashing of teeth means. Imagine being like that for all eternity, and seeing God, the one you rejected, and Jesus the Savior, the one who gave His all for you, just out of your reach. How painful that would be. Now, imagine that happening to those you love.

If that is not reason enough to keep you from marrying somebody outside of your faith, then I wish you well, and please let me know if this is the case, because I will be praying for you all the days of my life.

Some verses from the New Testament:

"The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord" 1 Corinthians 7:39


"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?" 2 Corinthians 6:14-15

This verse is about Belial/Baal/Bal/Bel/Balder, Pagan gods from the Middle East and beyond that terroritory. Belial is translated satan or "evil one". Paul in this verse is showing a complete intolerance of non-Christian faith groups, and rightly so. He defines them as "satan worshipers", which they are. If you do not worship the one true God, then you worship the enemy who has many names and disguises. He is satan. There is no getting around it. Paul says that he sees Christians as the righteous, and the exhibiting light, and non-Christians as unrighteous, showing darkness.

Where there is no light, there is dark. That's easy to figure out, right?
Paul prohibits beyond marriage. He says it's sinful to even have a close bond or share close interpersonal activities with non-Christians. This is not just communicating, but having close, personal friendships, and marriages.

Some have tried to take this verse out of context, claiming that it was meant for something other than what it is. They are wrong. The bible is clear.

We are not to marry or have close personal relationships with non-Christians, and since the time of Creation, God has said that His children are not to marry persons who worship false gods.
 
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Zaac said:
And that statement didn't in any way say that somebody needed to be deprived of their rights and beliefs. It says what it says and what it says is that God is not to be disobeyed just because someone wants their own rights and beliefs.

Christians aren't called to respect that which is in disobedience to Jesus.

But if obedience to god required that you deprive others of their rights, would you do so?
 
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Kinda confused said:
Please everyone help me
i have such a simple question
Im taking my christianity really seriously now. I want make God proud of me by honouring him and making him happy and showing my faith
BUT
is it bad that my girlfriend (who i intend to marry one day) is not christian?
Is it an insult in God or will it upset him.
I want to help her see the light
but can we be boyfriend and girlfriend or will this upset God a lot.
Please help me im so confused!
ps. bible quotes helpful

MANY MANY THANKS IN ADVANCE

Pfft, I don't see how it would upset god. However, I don't see the relationship lasting long if you tell her you want to help her see the light. That always comes off as condescending.
 
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20 is too young to get married. You will not be an adult in your thinking until you reah 24-26 years. So lets forget about the intend to marry stuff.
An insult to God if you love another human being? How does that work?
Most likely, because of the nature of hormones She will exert influences on you that you will find it hard to control. She may very well make you see her light!
If you want a relationship that is centered around God and Jesus, find yourself a female who also wants a life centered around God and Jesus. Oh does that sound cold? There are maybe 1000 perfect partners for you in any city. Ask God to bring the correct partner too you. God will do it. Will you have the courage to follow up on a God centered relationship with a woman who matches you in the way God knows is best for you?
So forget the non-Christian Girl and find a Christian girl of ANY Christian denomination.
 
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Relationships centered around God tend to do better than others if the partners make a habit of taking problems, plans, and goals to God in joint prayer. The power of thoes married couples is awsome. The happiness they manifest if wonderful to be around. The children of such couples tend to be happy and well adjusted, Thoes are my obeservations.
 
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Nymphalidae said:
Nobody needs to be told "I love you, but that's probably an insult to God."
I do not understand your post. People need to know they are loved. It is a wonderful thing to love people. What is the context of your post?
 
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Zaac said:
Apples and oranges. God's Word speaks to believers not being yoked to unbelievers. There is no prohibition in His Word about keeping races separate that has not been covered by the new law that was ushered in by the blood of Christ.

And if you're going to get into what the OT says, remember that it must be done in accordance with the New Testament. :)
Backwards, you have got it backwards Zaac. The word of God in the Hebrew scriptures has not been made void even if some men want it to have been.


"And if you're going to get into what the OT says, remember that it must be done in accordance with the New Testament."
 
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Differing views on fundamental doctrine by different HOLY SPIRIT filled groups indicates that there is STATIC in the line.
Back to the OP, Zaac, I agree with you. He should find another girl who's faith is more inline with his. But hey, maybe the girl puts out and the ones at his church do not. Of course, all birth control methods but one do fail sometimes.
 
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