Please explain to me why homosexuality is anathema to God.

[Catholicon]

Given your icon, do you not believe that God made us in his own image?

Yes. Sentient and Sapient, just like God.

 

[davedjy]

Semantics. It wasn't incest to God.

Having sex with someone you are related to IS incest, regardless of how you try to word it.


Catholicon is correct.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Having sex with someone you are related to IS incest, regardless of how you try to word it.


Catholicon is correct.

It wasn't incest to God. It was perfectly fine at the time.

 

[Catholicon]

Having sex with someone you are related to IS incest, regardless of how you try to word it.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Having sex with someone you are related to IS incest, regardless of how you try to word it.

It matters not. It wasn't a sin. It was marital intercourse...and perfectly legal to God.

 

[davedjy]

It wasn't incest to God. It was perfectly fine at the time.

Weren't you the one that said that God's moral law doesn't change?

 

[Floatingaxe]

Weren't you the one that said that God's moral law doesn't change?

There was no law at that time. Population was the name of the game. There was no morality concerning incest. Men and women married, had intercourse and had babies. Plain and simple.

 

[AetheriusLamia]

Um, ok? The reason why the entire law hangs on those 2 commandments is because first off if you love God with all your heart/mind/spirit then you will follow His commandments and do His will. It does not in any way negate what God likes/dislikes from us.

Correct. My point in citing Matthew there is that I do not feel my attraction towards men in any way harms my love of God.

 

[AetheriusLamia]

Good questions. According to God's design, the family model is a man-woman union. This issue is not about a mental connection between 2 people, or even love between two people. It's about translating that love into sexual expression to one another. God's standards are above that, and if we love Him so should ours.

The female complements the male in making up the other half of the family model. Without the female then the male would not be able to reproduce. Generally speaking, women tend to be more on the nurturing side, so they often fill that role also. Granted in modern society these roles have been dramatically shifted. In some areas this is a benefit to mankind (and possibly glorifying to God) and others it is not. We just see this particular issue in a different light, you may see it as transcending, and i see it as descending.

You claim that Genesis depicts the male-female family model as God's design. I'm not so sure all of what you've said follows. My reasoning:

In Eden we see God's design for heterosexual relationships. What is to stop us from saying that we merely see God's design for relationships, and that the two happen to be heterosexual? An analogy: A child in kindergarten sees a painting where a white kid is playing with a chinese kid. It is foolish to then say God didn't intend for him to play with mexicans as well, simply because it wasn't included in the portrait. The child learns later that he is not supposed to care about race.

We then see the byproduct of such relationships later on as the offspring, Cain and Abel. However, as EnemyParty pointed out, we also see in Genesis -- um, I think it was Lot? -- Lot's daughters screwing him in his drunken sleep (without, I think, any negative repercussions), but we don't say God has intended for incest. Furthermore, orphanages seem to have Christian volunteers involved in them; certainly God has intended for adoption? But that is branching off-topic, the focus here is a male-female family. I suppose I then stand by my first analogy in this post.

Thoughts?

 

[AetheriusLamia]

In response to http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41331081

Phinehas, 1 Corinthians 7 is not relevant to this conversation, save this verse, 1 Corinthians 7.20: "Everyone should stay in whatever state he was in when he was called." (Although I think Paul was talking about circumcision, that the uncircumcised who turn to God need not cut their foreskin.)

However, verse 12 makes this a bit ambiguous in my mind.

 

[AetheriusLamia]

Regardless, It not only shows that man-woman are similar to each other, it also symbolizes that man inherently needs woman to be complete.

... Good point ... I don't really know what to say in response to that, other than my Bible lists the story as a compilation of oral tradition, meant to express God's love for humanity. (Meaning, it's not necessarily literal or historical.)

I feel as if I've just been dealt a sharp blow to my chest; I'm feeling a little light-headed. ...

You see, I'm not arguing for homosexuality because I'm gay or because I want to rebel against God. I've made other threads about this point: I basically feel rather transgendered. I feel that I'm not masculine enough to be a guy, but I was born a guy. ...

 

[Floatingaxe]

... Good point ... I don't really know what to say in response to that, other than my Bible lists the story as a compilation of oral tradition, meant to express God's love for humanity. (Meaning, it's not necessarily literal or historical.)

I feel as if I've just been dealt a sharp blow to my chest; I'm feeling a little light-headed. ...

You see, I'm not arguing for homosexuality because I'm gay or because I want to rebel against God. I've made other threads about this point: I basically feel rather transgendered. I feel that I'm not masculine enough to be a guy, but I was born a guy. ...

There is a whole spectrum of maleness in mankind, just as there is a scale of femininity in women.

It is a load of crap that the secular world is heaping upon our youth concerning this very thing: that males who present with more effeminate characteristics are somehow off the chart for being male at all!

We have room in this culture for all sorts of men and women! Just because a boy child is more gentle, or effeminate, doesn't mean he is a homosexual or transgendered. It is a lie that is foisted on him. Gentle men and masculine women have a right to be as they are...without being trained by their peers that because they don't feel they fit in with them they must be homosexuals! It's not true!

Such young people need to embrace their characteristics and learn to accept themselves instead of believing the hype they receive about their own personalities!

An effeminate man makes an excellent husband and father! I know a man who is so very effeminate it is comical--he knows it--yet he is a born again Christian, and married with six daughters!

My cousin was always an effeminate boy, and was very artistic, and took ballet. As an adult, he performed in ballet, married a beautiful model and together they began a ballet school, which has been very successful, and began a Baroque ballet company which does yearly performances in Paris, France. He is a born again Christian as well.





In a nutshell, I believe that many children with these characteristics tragically fall for the hype that they are necessarily homosexual and they follow after the lifestyle, thinking that they have no option--that their peers are right. They become trapped in peer pressure of another sinister sort.

 

[RMDY]

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, your* sanctification: [for] you* yourselves to be abstaining from sexual sin,

 

[Ohioprof]

1Th 4:3 For this is the will of God, your* sanctification: [for] you* yourselves to be abstaining from sexual sin,

Same-sex marriage is not sexual sin.

 

[Ohioprof]

There is a whole spectrum of maleness in mankind, just as there is a scale of femininity in women.

It is a load of crap that the secular world is heaping upon our youth concerning this very thing: that males who present with more effeminate characteristics are somehow off the chart for being male at all!

We have room in this culture for all sorts of men and women! Just because a boy child is more gentle, or effeminate, doesn't mean he is a homosexual or transgendered. It is a lie that is foisted on him. Gentle men and masculine women have a right to be as they are...without being trained by their peers that because they don't feel they fit in with them they must be homosexuals! It's not true!

Such young people need to embrace their characteristics and learn to accept themselves instead of believing the hype they receive about their own personalities!

An effeminate man makes an excellent husband and father! I know a man who is so very effeminate it is comical--he knows it--yet he is a born again Christian, and married with six daughters!

My cousin was always an effeminate boy, and was very artistic, and took ballet. As an adult, he performed in ballet, married a beautiful model and together they began a ballet school, which has been very successful, and began a Baroque ballet company which does yearly performances in Paris, France. He is a born again Christian as well.





In a nutshell, I believe that many children with these characteristics tragically fall for the hype that they are necessarily homosexual and they follow after the lifestyle, thinking that they have no option--that their peers are right. They become trapped in peer pressure of another sinister sort.

The peer pressure young people feel is nearly always pressure to be heterosexual and to demonstrate heterosexuality. Children who recognize that they are gay do so, often, under circumstances where they fear ostracism and harassment for coming out as gay.

We Christians should accept and support young people who recognize that they are gay, not tell them that they are wrong. We should accept all people as God made them, and that includes people whom God made gay. I agree with you that we should encourage young people in the characteristics they have. For some young people, one of those characteristics is being gay.

 

[RMDY]

Same-sex marriage is not sexual sin.

You don't literally take the bible as a reliable source for info, therefore, your opinion doesn't count on biblical matters.

 

[Ohioprof]

You don't literally take the bible as a reliable source for info so your opinion doesn't count on biblical matters.

I am not making a Biblical argument. I am making an argument about what is right and wrong.

Also, whether I regard the Bible as an authoritative source or not, I can still make an argument about what the Bible says. And the Bible says nothing at all about same-sex marriage.

 

[RMDY]

I am not making a Biblical argument. I am making an argument about what is right and wrong.

Also, whether I regard the Bible as an authoritative source or not, I can still make an argument about what the Bible says. And the Bible says nothing at all about same-sex marriage.

I believe same-sex marriage did not exist in ancient times despite the existence of homosexuality. That is why, in my belief, there is no records of same-sex marriages in biblical scriptures.

 

[Ohioprof]

I believe same-sex marriage did not exist in ancient times despite the existence of homosexuality. That is why, in my belief, there is no records of same-sex marriages in biblical scriptures.

And it's not condemned in the Bible. So for those who believe the Bible is the word of God, there is no reason to oppose same-sex marriage.

 

[RMDY]

And it's not condemned in the Bible. So for those who believe the Bible is the word of God, there is no reason to oppose same-sex marriage.

Nope. Since it isn't mentioned, let us reason that homosexual marriage did not exist in ancient times despite rampant homosexuality in greece and other nations. Nonetheless, it is God's will for people to not commit sexual immorality.

And since homosexual marriages did not exist, despite rampant homosexuality, I assert from my reasoning that homosexuality is a form of fornication---a sexual act outside of marriage.



Although God calls homosexuality fornication, mankind can't just come along and say "hey! Let's change homosexuality so it isn't fornication anymore by legalizing gay marriage! Then it isn't fornication and we can all love each other and live happily ever after!!!!"